Chessqueen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:41 pmIs there any place that Cell Phone latest Engines rating is kept Updated, and how far are they from computer Engines ratings, Are they within 200 ratings points from Single chip or one core computer
Most certainly, most high end phones will see 800 to 1000k/nps with SF NNUE based engine, that would be around 30 to 40% of a recent single core CPU. Clearly less than 200 Elo difference.
I have a 180$ Chinese phone Xiaomi Redme Note 8 Pro with a mediocre CPU for current standards and I get 1565knps from a starting position with latest SF NNUE Droidfish. I'd expect most of high-end phones would actually be well over 2Mnps.
That would surprise me — are you using one thread/core as indicated? Please double check your settings. Using one thread with NNUE enabled.
What are you talking about? This whole thread is a full phone (whichever number of threads it has) vs a single core CPU. And the high-end phones (with usually 4 slow and 4 fast threads) are on par if not better than a single core of a high-end CPU.
There is absolutely no phone that can do 800knps on a single thread with SF-NNUE.
I am not sure about that. I am getting on 1 core with NNUE on a Samsung S20 Ultra almost 700 KN/s. And I know the Snapdragon CPU is not the fastest single core performer. Apple phones can be even faster on a single core.
Geekbench .
As relevant to chess as is astrology to your life.
I have an Iphone 11 and my daughter a Samsung Galaxy S20 both with Stockfish cell version they performs equally, but I do NOT have the Iphone 12 which has a much better CPU
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:41 pmIs there any place that Cell Phone latest Engines rating is kept Updated, and how far are they from computer Engines ratings, Are they within 200 ratings points from Single chip or one core computer
Most certainly, most high end phones will see 800 to 1000k/nps with SF NNUE based engine, that would be around 30 to 40% of a recent single core CPU. Clearly less than 200 Elo difference.
I have a 180$ Chinese phone Xiaomi Redme Note 8 Pro with a mediocre CPU for current standards and I get 1565knps from a starting position with latest SF NNUE Droidfish. I'd expect most of high-end phones would actually be well over 2Mnps.
That would surprise me — are you using one thread/core as indicated? Please double check your settings. Using one thread with NNUE enabled.
What are you talking about? This whole thread is a full phone (whichever number of threads it has) vs a single core CPU. And the high-end phones (with usually 4 slow and 4 fast threads) are on par if not better than a single core of a high-end CPU.
There is absolutely no phone that can do 800knps on a single thread with SF-NNUE.
I am not sure about that. I am getting on 1 core with NNUE on a Samsung S20 Ultra almost 700 KN/s. And I know the Snapdragon CPU is not the fastest single core performer. Apple phones can be even faster on a single core.
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:41 pmIs there any place that Cell Phone latest Engines rating is kept Updated, and how far are they from computer Engines ratings, Are they within 200 ratings points from Single chip or one core computer
Most certainly, most high end phones will see 800 to 1000k/nps with SF NNUE based engine, that would be around 30 to 40% of a recent single core CPU. Clearly less than 200 Elo difference.
I have a 180$ Chinese phone Xiaomi Redme Note 8 Pro with a mediocre CPU for current standards and I get 1565knps from a starting position with latest SF NNUE Droidfish. I'd expect most of high-end phones would actually be well over 2Mnps.
That would surprise me — are you using one thread/core as indicated? Please double check your settings. Using one thread with NNUE enabled.
What are you talking about? This whole thread is a full phone (whichever number of threads it has) vs a single core CPU. And the high-end phones (with usually 4 slow and 4 fast threads) are on par if not better than a single core of a high-end CPU.
There is absolutely no phone that can do 800knps on a single thread with SF-NNUE.
I am not sure about that. I am getting on 1 core with NNUE on a Samsung S20 Ultra almost 700 KN/s. And I know the Snapdragon CPU is not the fastest single core performer. Apple phones can be even faster on a single core.
Geekbench .
As relevant to chess as is astrology to your life.
I have an Iphone 11 and my daughter a Samsung Galaxy S20 both with Stockfish cell version they performs equally, but I do NOT have the Iphone 12 which has a much better CPU
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:41 pmIs there any place that Cell Phone latest Engines rating is kept Updated, and how far are they from computer Engines ratings, Are they within 200 ratings points from Single chip or one core computer
Most certainly, most high end phones will see 800 to 1000k/nps with SF NNUE based engine, that would be around 30 to 40% of a recent single core CPU. Clearly less than 200 Elo difference.
I have a 180$ Chinese phone Xiaomi Redme Note 8 Pro with a mediocre CPU for current standards and I get 1565knps from a starting position with latest SF NNUE Droidfish. I'd expect most of high-end phones would actually be well over 2Mnps.
That would surprise me — are you using one thread/core as indicated? Please double check your settings. Using one thread with NNUE enabled.
What are you talking about? This whole thread is a full phone (whichever number of threads it has) vs a single core CPU. And the high-end phones (with usually 4 slow and 4 fast threads) are on par if not better than a single core of a high-end CPU.
There is absolutely no phone that can do 800knps on a single thread with SF-NNUE.
I am not sure about that. I am getting on 1 core with NNUE on a Samsung S20 Ultra almost 700 KN/s. And I know the Snapdragon CPU is not the fastest single core performer. Apple phones can be even faster on a single core.
Geekbench .
As relevant to chess as is astrology to your life.
I have an Iphone 11 and my daughter a Samsung Galaxy S20 both with Stockfish cell version they performs equally, but I do NOT have the Iphone 12 which has a much better CPU
Which app on iPhone 11 are you using to compare?
You can also download it for free from play Apple Playstore
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:41 pmIs there any place that Cell Phone latest Engines rating is kept Updated, and how far are they from computer Engines ratings, Are they within 200 ratings points from Single chip or one core computer
Most certainly, most high end phones will see 800 to 1000k/nps with SF NNUE based engine, that would be around 30 to 40% of a recent single core CPU. Clearly less than 200 Elo difference.
I have a 180$ Chinese phone Xiaomi Redme Note 8 Pro with a mediocre CPU for current standards and I get 1565knps from a starting position with latest SF NNUE Droidfish. I'd expect most of high-end phones would actually be well over 2Mnps.
That would surprise me — are you using one thread/core as indicated? Please double check your settings. Using one thread with NNUE enabled.
What are you talking about? This whole thread is a full phone (whichever number of threads it has) vs a single core CPU. And the high-end phones (with usually 4 slow and 4 fast threads) are on par if not better than a single core of a high-end CPU.
There is absolutely no phone that can do 800knps on a single thread with SF-NNUE.
I am not sure about that. I am getting on 1 core with NNUE on a Samsung S20 Ultra almost 700 KN/s. And I know the Snapdragon CPU is not the fastest single core performer. Apple phones can be even faster on a single core.
NPS is not being shown on mobile because engine strength should be the least you worry on a mobile phone. Anyone wants strength should be doing on a laptop or a desktop.
There is no way to do a match on an iOS and not reliable on Android. I'd suggest we forget the cell phone rating list, and simply use the desktop ranking as a guide.
kinderchocolate wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:06 pm
NPS is not being shown on mobile because engine strength should be the least you worry on a mobile phone. Anyone wants strength should be doing on a laptop or a desktop.
There is no way to do a match on an iOS and not reliable on Android. I'd suggest we forget the cell phone rating list, and simply use the desktop ranking as a guide.
Yes there is a way it has been done already take a look, Most android and iphone are much more powerful than most i7 and and i9 intel computer ==>
Stockfish 280920 Samsung Galaxy S20 (2 cores, No TB) vs Dragon(32 Threads) (TC=3m+2s)
PC equivalent version of Droidfish running Stockfish 280920.
Using a Samsung S20 Ultra 8 cores = 2 PC cores on a AMD 2950x.
Stockfish 2 cpu vs Komodo 32 threads. +0 =28 -3 -34 Elo....
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:41 pmIs there any place that Cell Phone latest Engines rating is kept Updated, and how far are they from computer Engines ratings, Are they within 200 ratings points from Single chip or one core computer
Is there a good list or place to download them? I have Chess for Android, and seen 2 "engine packs" on the Play Store. I have a spare tablet and would be willing to do a tournament if you have a recommended time control.
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:41 pmIs there any place that Cell Phone latest Engines rating is kept Updated, and how far are they from computer Engines ratings, Are they within 200 ratings points from Single chip or one core computer
Most certainly, most high end phones will see 800 to 1000k/nps with SF NNUE based engine, that would be around 30 to 40% of a recent single core CPU. Clearly less than 200 Elo difference.
I have a 180$ Chinese phone Xiaomi Redme Note 8 Pro with a mediocre CPU for current standards and I get 1565knps from a starting position with latest SF NNUE Droidfish. I'd expect most of high-end phones would actually be well over 2Mnps.
That would surprise me — are you using one thread/core as indicated? Please double check your settings. Using one thread with NNUE enabled.
What are you talking about? This whole thread is a full phone (whichever number of threads it has) vs a single core CPU. And the high-end phones (with usually 4 slow and 4 fast threads) are on par if not better than a single core of a high-end CPU.
There is absolutely no phone that can do 800knps on a single thread with SF-NNUE.
I am not sure about that. I am getting on 1 core with NNUE on a Samsung S20 Ultra almost 700 KN/s. And I know the Snapdragon CPU is not the fastest single core performer. Apple phones can be even faster on a single core.
