Who is keeping track of the Cell Phone engines ratings ?

[kinderchocolate]

Although I make the SmallFish app, but I almost never used it personally. In fact, I don't even have my own app installed! The issue with a powerful chess engine on mobile phone is heating issues. iPhones get heated up very quickly even running on one core. Due to battery issues, I am using only my desktop for chess computation.

[MikeB]

Although I make the SmallFish app, but I almost never used it personally. In fact, I don't even have my own app installed! The issue with a powerful chess engine on mobile phone is heating issues. iPhones get heated up very quickly even running on one core. Due to battery issues, I am using only my desktop for chess computation.

That statement says a lot coming from a respected developer. Most of the time (perhaps excluding the last year due to Covid), many of us need to get through the entire day without the battery wearing down. Chess analysis is not the priority for many of us.

[MikeB]

Is there any place that Cell Phone latest Engines rating is kept Updated, and how far are they from computer Engines ratings, Are they within 200 ratings points from Single chip or one core computer

Most certainly, most high end phones will see 800 to 1000k/nps with SF NNUE based engine, that would be around 30 to 40% of a recent single core CPU. Clearly less than 200 Elo difference.

I have a 180$ Chinese phone Xiaomi Redme Note 8 Pro with a mediocre CPU for current standards and I get 1565knps from a starting position with latest SF NNUE Droidfish. I'd expect most of high-end phones would actually be well over 2Mnps.

That would surprise me — are you using one thread/core as indicated? Please double check your settings. Using one thread with NNUE enabled.

What are you talking about? This whole thread is a full phone (whichever number of threads it has) vs a single core CPU. And the high-end phones (with usually 4 slow and 4 fast threads) are on par if not better than a single core of a high-end CPU.
There is absolutely no phone that can do 800knps on a single thread with SF-NNUE.

You always seem to have a nasty side in your comments . "what are you talking about " why always attack the poster? , Did I attack you even though it was you that was simply dead wrong? Cfish with NNUE gets over 900k/nps on Samsung Galaxy 20 FE. Single Core. Don't bother replying, I am permanently banning you from my read list.

[supersharp77]

Is there any place that Cell Phone latest Engines rating is kept Updated, and how far are they from computer Engines ratings, Are they within 200 ratings points from Single chip or one core computer

Well The authority was Chestroid (blogspot) but the site owner got busy doing this or that and stopped doing the updates but did insist he would get back to it...but so far it has not been updated for a couple of years but as far as is known his archive downloads still work....he also had a very good rating list...I ran a few android tourneys and tried to get to it when possible but there are many new engines coming out every day and it takes a lot of time to run 50-100 engine RR phone or tablet tourneys with 5000-10000 games (even with a fast time control) I asked around for a android chess engine GUI (swiss system capable) so we could get some fast swiss system tourneys but none of the programmers were interested (so far). So you just get further and further behind...You can do a four or five engine RR test in a day or two but there are thousands of strong android engines and more every day...

http://chesstroid.blogspot.com/

[Chessqueen]

NPS is not being shown on mobile because engine strength should be the least you worry on a mobile phone. Anyone wants strength should be doing on a laptop or a desktop.

There is no way to do a match on an iOS and not reliable on Android. I'd suggest we forget the cell phone rating list, and simply use the desktop ranking as a guide.

[pgn][Event "Samsung Galaxy S20 Vs Intel i9 9900K"]
[Date "2021.01.05"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stockfish 280920 "]
[Black "Ethereal12.75-x64-popcnt"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "3474"]
[ECO "D13"]
[Opening "Slav"]
[Time "14:52:33"]
[Variation "Exchange, 6.Bf4 a6 7.e3"]
[WhiteElo "3480"]
[TimeControl "900+3"]
[PlyCount "84"]



1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 c5 3. c3 cxd4 4. cxd4 d5 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bf4 a6 7. e3
Qb6 8. a3 Bf5 9. Na4 Qd8 10. Rc1 Nh5 11. Be5 f6 12. Nc5 g6 13. Bg3 e5 14.
Nxb7 Qb6 15. dxe5 Qxb2 16. Nd6+ Bxd6 17. exd6 Nxg3 18. hxg3 Ne5 19. Rc7 Rc8
20. Be2 Rxc7 21. dxc7 Qc3+ 22. Qd2 Qxc7 23. O-O Qd6 24. Nxe5 fxe5 25. Bc4
O-O 26. Bxd5+ Kg7 27. Qa2 Bd3 28. Rd1 Bf5 29. Bf3 Qf6 30. e4 Be6 31. Qb2
Bf7 32. Qb7 Qe6 33. Rd7 Qc4 34. Kh2 Qc5 35. Qxa6 Qxf2 36. Qe6 Qe3 37. Qxe5+
Kg8 38. Bg4 Qh6+ 39. Bh3 g5 40. Rd6 Qg7 41. Qf5 h5 42. g4 Be8 43. Qc5 h4
44. Ra6 Rf6 45. Ra7 Rf7 46. Ra5 Re7 47. Qxg5 Qxg5 48. Rxg5+ Kf8 49. Rf5+
Kg7 50. Rf4 Ra7 51. Rf3 Ra4 52. Re3 Kg6 53. e5 Rd4 54. e6 Kf6 55. e7 Ra4
56. g3 hxg3+ 57. Kxg3 Kg5 58. Rf3 Re4 59. Rf5+ Kg6 60. Bg2 Rxe7 61. Kf4 Ra7
62. Rf8 Re7 63. Bd5 Kg7 64. Rg8+ Kh7 65. Rg5 Ra7 66. Be4+ Kh8 67. Rd5 Kg7
68. Rd8 Kf7 69. Ra8 Rc7 70. Kg5 Ke7 71. Ra5 Bd7 72. Bf5 Be8 73. Ra6 Bf7 74.
Kh6 Rc5 75. Ra7+ Kf8 76. Ra8+ Ke7 77. Ra7+ Kf8 78. a4 Rc1 79. Ra8+ Ke7 80.
Ra7+ Kf8 81. a5 Rd1 82. Ra8+ Ke7 83. Ra7+ Kf8 84. Bg6 Be6 85. Kg5 Ba2 86.
Ra8+ Ke7 87. Re8+ Kd7 88. Re5 Rd6 89. Bf5+ Kc6 90. Be4+ Kd7 91. Kf4 Rd4 92.
Kf5 Kd6 93. Kf6 Rb4 94. a6 Ra4 95. Bb7 Kc7 96. Re4 Ra5 97. Rd4 Kb8 98. Rb4
Ka7 99. g5 Bf7 100. Bc8 Bd5 101. g6 Rc5 102. Bb7 Bg8 103. Re4 Black resigns} 1-0[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

NPS is not being shown on mobile because engine strength should be the least you worry on a mobile phone. Anyone wants strength should be doing on a laptop or a desktop.

There is no way to do a match on an iOS and not reliable on Android. I'd suggest we forget the cell phone rating list, and simply use the desktop ranking as a guide.

If AndrewGrant send me his latest Ethereal that is competing in TCEC https://tcec-chess.com/live.html I will test it for at least 20 games against Stockfish for Android using my Samsung Galaxy S20 versus my brother intel i9 9900k Desktop Computer. My email is capablancajose99@gmail.com

[pgn][Event "Samsung Galaxy S20 Vs Intel i9 9900K"]
[Date "2021.01.05"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stockfish 280920 "]
[Black "Ethereal12.75-x64-popcnt"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "3474"]
[ECO "D13"]
[Opening "Slav"]
[Time "14:52:33"]
[Variation "Exchange, 6.Bf4 a6 7.e3"]
[WhiteElo "3480"]
[TimeControl "900+3"]
[PlyCount "84"]



1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 c5 3. c3 cxd4 4. cxd4 d5 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bf4 a6 7. e3
Qb6 8. a3 Bf5 9. Na4 Qd8 10. Rc1 Nh5 11. Be5 f6 12. Nc5 g6 13. Bg3 e5 14.
Nxb7 Qb6 15. dxe5 Qxb2 16. Nd6+ Bxd6 17. exd6 Nxg3 18. hxg3 Ne5 19. Rc7 Rc8
20. Be2 Rxc7 21. dxc7 Qc3+ 22. Qd2 Qxc7 23. O-O Qd6 24. Nxe5 fxe5 25. Bc4
O-O 26. Bxd5+ Kg7 27. Qa2 Bd3 28. Rd1 Bf5 29. Bf3 Qf6 30. e4 Be6 31. Qb2
Bf7 32. Qb7 Qe6 33. Rd7 Qc4 34. Kh2 Qc5 35. Qxa6 Qxf2 36. Qe6 Qe3 37. Qxe5+
Kg8 38. Bg4 Qh6+ 39. Bh3 g5 40. Rd6 Qg7 41. Qf5 h5 42. g4 Be8 43. Qc5 h4
44. Ra6 Rf6 45. Ra7 Rf7 46. Ra5 Re7 47. Qxg5 Qxg5 48. Rxg5+ Kf8 49. Rf5+
Kg7 50. Rf4 Ra7 51. Rf3 Ra4 52. Re3 Kg6 53. e5 Rd4 54. e6 Kf6 55. e7 Ra4
56. g3 hxg3+ 57. Kxg3 Kg5 58. Rf3 Re4 59. Rf5+ Kg6 60. Bg2 Rxe7 61. Kf4 Ra7
62. Rf8 Re7 63. Bd5 Kg7 64. Rg8+ Kh7 65. Rg5 Ra7 66. Be4+ Kh8 67. Rd5 Kg7
68. Rd8 Kf7 69. Ra8 Rc7 70. Kg5 Ke7 71. Ra5 Bd7 72. Bf5 Be8 73. Ra6 Bf7 74.
Kh6 Rc5 75. Ra7+ Kf8 76. Ra8+ Ke7 77. Ra7+ Kf8 78. a4 Rc1 79. Ra8+ Ke7 80.
Ra7+ Kf8 81. a5 Rd1 82. Ra8+ Ke7 83. Ra7+ Kf8 84. Bg6 Be6 85. Kg5 Ba2 86.
Ra8+ Ke7 87. Re8+ Kd7 88. Re5 Rd6 89. Bf5+ Kc6 90. Be4+ Kd7 91. Kf4 Rd4 92.
Kf5 Kd6 93. Kf6 Rb4 94. a6 Ra4 95. Bb7 Kc7 96. Re4 Ra5 97. Rd4 Kb8 98. Rb4
Ka7 99. g5 Bf7 100. Bc8 Bd5 101. g6 Rc5 102. Bb7 Bg8 103. Re4 Black resigns} 1-0[/pgn]

If AndrewGrant send me his latest Ethereal that is competing in TCEC https://tcec-chess.com/live.html I will test it for at least 20 games against Stockfish for Android using my Samsung Galaxy S20 versus my brother intel i9 9900k Desktop Computer. My email is capablancajose99@gmail.com

[Chessqueen]

NPS is not being shown on mobile because engine strength should be the least you worry on a mobile phone. Anyone wants strength should be doing on a laptop or a desktop.

There is no way to do a match on an iOS and not reliable on Android. I'd suggest we forget the cell phone rating list, and simply use the desktop ranking as a guide.

Here is Another game versus Houdini 6.03 using an intel i9 8800K Versus my Samsung S20 with Stockfish

[pgn][Event "Samsung Galaxy S20 Vs Intel i9 9900K"]
[Date "2021.01.07"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Stockfish 280920 "]
[Black "Houdini 6.03"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "3060"]
[ECO "E87"]
[Opening "King's Indian"]
[Time "16:17:26"]
[Variation "Sämisch, Orthodox, Bronstein, 9.g3"]
[WhiteElo "3480"]
[TimeControl "900+3"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "88"]


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 e5 7. d5 Nh5 8. Qd2
Qh4+ 9. g3 Nxg3 10. Qf2 Nxf1 11. Qxh4 Nxe3 12. Qf2 Nxc4 13. h4 h5 14. Qe2
Nb6 15. Nb5 Na6 16. Nh3 Bh6 17. a4 Bxh3 18. Rxh3 Nd7 19. a5 Ndc5 20. Qc4 f5
21. Kf1 fxe4 22. b4 Nd7 23. Nc3 exf3 24. Ne4 Nf6 25. b5 Nc5 26. Nxc5 dxc5
27. d6+ Kh7 28. dxc7 e4 29. Re1 Rae8 30. Rxf3 Rc8 31. Rf2 Rxc7 32. Ke2 e3
33. Rf3 Bg7 34. Ref1 Rd7 35. Rd1 Re7 36. Rf4 Ne4 37. Rxe4 Rf2+ 38. Kxe3
Ref7 39. Re8 R7f3+ 40. Ke4 Rf4+ 41. Kd5 Rxc4 42. Kxc4 Rc2+ 43. Kd3 Ra2 44.
Re7 Kh6 45. Rf1 c4+ 46. Kxc4 Ra4+ 47. Kc5 Bd4+ 48. Kd5 Bc3 49. Rxb7 Rxa5
50. Kc4 Be5 51. Rff7 g5 52. b6 Ra4+ 53. Kb5 Ra1 54. bxa7 Kg6 {Black
resigns} *[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

NPS is not being shown on mobile because engine strength should be the least you worry on a mobile phone. Anyone wants strength should be doing on a laptop or a desktop.

There is no way to do a match on an iOS and not reliable on Android. I'd suggest we forget the cell phone rating list, and simply use the desktop ranking as a guide.

Sorry that I miss typed 8800K instead of 9900K, but this is the last time that I will match my Samsung S20 ondroid versus an intel i9 9900K, since my brother came from his vacation to pick up his Desktop, but for those of you who were wondering if the latest Samsung Android were good for chess specially for Analysing a game that you are watching lets say Carlsen vs anybody etc... with stockfish on your pocket you have a very strong chess engine which you do not need to go into your corner where you have your Desktop computer

NOTE: Also you can can use the Stockfish NNUE for Android, since Samsung S20 comes with a very good GPU https://www.anandtech.com/show/15603/th ... -devices/9