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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by jshriver » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:59 pm

nio wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:46 pm
So is the download source now exactly the same as the paid one?
The source for the engine should be the same as the paid one, but as mentioned in an earlier post its suggested that the NN that was recently released is an older weaker version compared to the commercial one.

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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by nio » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:03 pm

Thanks. Even the one released 2 days ago?
Is that ok with the stockfish lizense?

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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by Gabor Szots » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:04 pm

pohl4711 wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:45 am
I looked into both nets with a HEX-editor and they are definitly different!
How did you do that? The official release has no separate net, it's embedded.
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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by AdminX » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:05 pm

jshriver wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:59 pm
nio wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:46 pm
So is the download source now exactly the same as the paid one?
The source for the engine should be the same as the paid one, but as mentioned in an earlier post its suggested that the NN that was recently released is an older weaker version compared to the commercial one.
I have a feeling that sales for FF2 will be dismal, and I wonder if they will break even after marketing cost. :roll:
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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by Modern Times » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:17 pm

AdminX wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:05 pm
I have a feeling that sales for FF2 will be dismal, and I wonder if they will break even after marketing cost. :roll:
I agree, although the Fritz brand does have some loyalty. Impossible to know.
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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by Graham Banks » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:21 pm

Sylwy wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:04 am
:lol: This means that CCRL also tested an old version of the 20x512 net! :lol:

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FatFritz 2 x64.................3634 (493 games)
Stockfish 12 x64..............3631 (2699 games)
No. We tested the official release version.
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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by Sylwy » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:41 pm

Graham Banks wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:21 pm
Sylwy wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:04 am
:lol: This means that CCRL also tested an old version of the 20x512 net! :lol:

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FatFritz 2 x64.................3634 (493 games)
Stockfish 12 x64..............3631 (2699 games)
No. We tested the official release version.
Thanks ! This means that the net in the archive uploaded by Mr. Michael Taktikos is the correct one. My test is evolving similarly to the version tested by CCRL.

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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by nio » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:26 pm

MTaktikos wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:26 am
jshriver wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:35 am
I cloned the code base when this was post and able to compiled under Linux. Actually now I think about it you have a point. Because even if you can compile it, its useless unless you have the weights file
In the meantime, the github link of DanielUranga includes also the weights file.
Although I doubt it is the same weights file offered by Chessbase, I compiled the published code from github and it works:
https://filehorst.de/d/dBDCEnDj
Hi, thanks: Whats the difference between FatFritz2.exe and FatFritz2mycompile.exe.
Whats the version of the included FatFritz2_v1.bin? Is it official or the one from github that some say is older version?

thanks

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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by pohl4711 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:29 pm

Gabor Szots wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:04 pm
pohl4711 wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:45 am
I looked into both nets with a HEX-editor and they are definitly different!
How did you do that? The official release has no separate net, it's embedded.
There is an updated version of FF2 (called update1) (source code on github), where the net is a separate file. Because the first release with the nnue-net being part of the binaries was a gpl license violation.
This updated version of FF2 can use the commercial net or the weaker net from the github site of FF2.
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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by pohl4711 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:32 pm

Sylwy wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:41 pm
Graham Banks wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:21 pm
Sylwy wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:04 am
:lol: This means that CCRL also tested an old version of the 20x512 net! :lol:

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FatFritz 2 x64.................3634 (493 games)
Stockfish 12 x64..............3631 (2699 games)
No. We tested the official release version.
Thanks ! This means that the net in the archive uploaded by Mr. Michael Taktikos is the correct one. My test is evolving similarly to the version tested by CCRL.
No. Only the commercial version of FF2 has the strong FF2 net. The ratinglists (CEGT, CCRL and me (SPCC)) got this version for testing. The net, which can be downloaded on the FF2-github website is weaker. Of course. Otherwise nobody would buy FF2 anymore.

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