Suggestions for a new PC

[Carlos777]

What would be another option with integrated graphics besides the 4750G?

None with 8 cores. The 4650G with 6C/12T, the 4350G with 4C/8T, and the older 3400G with 4C/8T. I mean, you could get an Intel Core i9-9900K that has integrated graphics, but it's from 2018, the UHD 630 graphics are really meh, the multicore performance is worse than 4750G, and the pricing isn't attractive, either.

I see.

As it stands, the most economic option if you can do without Netflix in 4k for the moment would be the cheap GT 1030 GPU and a Ryzen 3000 or 5000, and then replacing the GPU once Ethereum collapses. That way, you could keep most of the system. Also, when this collapse happens and GPUs are on the market, I expect tons of gamers to buy new PCs because all what keeps them from doing that right now are the GPU prices. This in turn might make CPUs scarce.

Yes, I am considering to buy the 3700x + the GT 1030, but I was looking at Ipman's benchmarks and I see the Ryzen 1700 got a good result:

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28.926.831	AMD Ryzen R7 3700X @4.0Ghz 2666Mhz	16threads	pop	John Hartmann
25.358.721	AMD Ryzen R7 1700 @3.8Ghz	16threads	pop	Ket

18.637.515	AMD Ryzen R7 3700X @4.0Ghz 2666Mhz	8cores	pop	John Hartmann
19.049.131	AMD Ryzen R7 1700 @4.0Ghz	8cores	pop	Ket

I'd like to know the single core speed of each one.

Another option, but not for right now, would be the 5700G which has not yet been released, but benchmarks with engineering samples have leaked. If the rumors are true, that would be a successor to the 4750G, but with Zen3 architecture like other Ryzen 5000. The release is expected in the first half of 2021, and the price is rumored to hover around $350.

Sounds interesting.

[Ras]

Yes, I am considering to buy the 3700x + the GT 1030, but I was looking at Ipman's benchmarks and I see the Ryzen 1700 got a good result:

That's with considerable overclocking. The regular multithread clock speed of a 1700X is 3.4 GHz, and a 3700X with 3.6 GHz. You may or may not get lucky to overclock them, and you may need water cooling. Also, the 1700X has a higher power draw than a 3700X because the latter is more efficient, and you'll need to cool the heat away. On top of that, the Ryzens like fast RAM, and the 2666 MHz RAM for the 3700X in the benchmark is a strange choice, given that the 3700X supports up to 3200 MHz (which you should choose for the speed of your RAM bars). For the 1700X, the regular RAM limit is 2666 MHz.

I'd like to know the single core speed of each one.

cpubenchmark.net claims that in singlethread, the 3700X is 30% faster than 1700X, and even 47% faster in multithread. Also, the 1700X is only available as used part, but the 3700X isn't that expensive, either. I'd recommend the 3700X. That's a classic case of "the new generation (here: Ryzen 5000) has been relesaed, so buy the previous one (here: Ryzen 3000) because it offers good value".

[Carlos777]

Yes, I am considering to buy the 3700x + the GT 1030, but I was looking at Ipman's benchmarks and I see the Ryzen 1700 got a good result:

That's with considerable overclocking. The regular multithread clock speed of a 1700X is 3.4 GHz, and a 3700X with 3.6 GHz. You may or may not get lucky to overclock them, and you may need water cooling. Also, the 1700X has a higher power draw than a 3700X because the latter is more efficient, and you'll need to cool the heat away. On top of that, the Ryzens like fast RAM, and the 2666 MHz RAM for the 3700X in the benchmark is a strange choice, given that the 3700X supports up to 3200 MHz (which you should choose for the speed of your RAM bars). For the 1700X, the regular RAM limit is 2666 MHz.

I'd like to know the single core speed of each one.

cpubenchmark.net claims that in singlethread, the 3700X is 30% faster than 1700X, and even 47% faster in multithread. Also, the 1700X is only available as used part, but the 3700X isn't that expensive, either. I'd recommend the 3700X. That's a classic case of "the new generation (here: Ryzen 5000) has been relesaed, so buy the previous one (here: Ryzen 3000) because it offers good value".

I understand, so it is very probable that I purchase the 3700x and the GTX 1030. What other PC parts do you recommend to buy?

[Ras]

What other PC parts do you recommend to buy?

Cooler Mugen 5 Rev B because the 3700X is well known to get hot. RAM 3200 2x16GB (assuming you are not into overclocking), and the RAM latency isn't really that important. I have Crucial Ballistix. You should buy the RAM bars as kit of two because that makes sure that the RAM bars are identical, which makes mobo hassle more unlikely.

For the mobo, I have made good experience with Asus. What I love is the detailed fan control that allows very quiet operation when the system isn't under full load. The 3700X in particular tends to spike up in temperature because it boost automatically even in normal desktop usage, and what you will like in normal usage (i.e. when no engines are running) is the delayed fan onset feature in the BIOS. Like, don't rev up the fan right away, but give it a delay because fans constantly reving up and down would be enerving.

I have the B450-F which would also take a 3700X, and with a recent BIOS, it even supports Ryzen 5000 if you plan to upgrade the system a few years down the road when these will get sold as used parts. The B550-F is more expensive, but offers PCIe 4.0. I'm not sure whether that will be an advantage for Lc0 when you buy a proper GPU lateron. Last year, the ethernet controller on the B550-F had a problem because Intel's onboard network chip was buggy, but that should be ironed out by now. Even if not, you can either return the board because the problem was well documented, or negotiate a free network PCIe card (around $10) from your vendor. Or you look into board variants that also come with wifi if you don't want network cables anyway.

The PSU should be clearly overdimensioned for now because you won't want to buy another one later when the "real" GPUs become available again. If you had one 3090 GPU, that would be nearly 600W system load. A 650W PSU would be much on the edge, so better go for more headroom and take a 750W part. be quiet! Straight Power 11 Gold 750 Watt is a good choice - I have the same model with 550W. It's also inaudible under only light load.

The case basically as you like, but make sure that the PSU is to be mounted at the bottom and draws in air from the outside, ideally with a dust mesh filter on the case bottom. You won't want to "cool" the PSU with the hot air that you will have inside the case once you get around to put in a GTX 3090 or so. The case fans should support PWM, but you can easily change them if not. Watch out if you want to fit an optical drive (Blueray, DVD). Many cases today don't allow that anymore because they have a massive front panel. Ideally, the case has a mesh front panel to draw in air properly at the front bottom, and then exhaust it at the rear top. If you want a DVD drive, Plextor PX-891SAF is fine.

[Carlos777]

What other PC parts do you recommend to buy?

Cooler Mugen 5 Rev B because the 3700X is well known to get hot. RAM 3200 2x16GB (assuming you are not into overclocking), and the RAM latency isn't really that important. I have Crucial Ballistix. You should buy the RAM bars as kit of two because that makes sure that the RAM bars are identical, which makes mobo hassle more unlikely.

For the mobo, I have made good experience with Asus. What I love is the detailed fan control that allows very quiet operation when the system isn't under full load. The 3700X in particular tends to spike up in temperature because it boost automatically even in normal desktop usage, and what you will like in normal usage (i.e. when no engines are running) is the delayed fan onset feature in the BIOS. Like, don't rev up the fan right away, but give it a delay because fans constantly reving up and down would be enerving.

I have the B450-F which would also take a 3700X, and with a recent BIOS, it even supports Ryzen 5000 if you plan to upgrade the system a few years down the road when these will get sold as used parts. The B550-F is more expensive, but offers PCIe 4.0. I'm not sure whether that will be an advantage for Lc0 when you buy a proper GPU lateron. Last year, the ethernet controller on the B550-F had a problem because Intel's onboard network chip was buggy, but that should be ironed out by now. Even if not, you can either return the board because the problem was well documented, or negotiate a free network PCIe card (around $10) from your vendor. Or you look into board variants that also come with wifi if you don't want network cables anyway.

The PSU should be clearly overdimensioned for now because you won't want to buy another one later when the "real" GPUs become available again. If you had one 3090 GPU, that would be nearly 600W system load. A 650W PSU would be much on the edge, so better go for more headroom and take a 750W part. be quiet! Straight Power 11 Gold 750 Watt is a good choice - I have the same model with 550W. It's also inaudible under only light load.

The case basically as you like, but make sure that the PSU is to be mounted at the bottom and draws in air from the outside, ideally with a dust mesh filter on the case bottom. You won't want to "cool" the PSU with the hot air that you will have inside the case once you get around to put in a GTX 3090 or so. The case fans should support PWM, but you can easily change them if not. Watch out if you want to fit an optical drive (Blueray, DVD). Many cases today don't allow that anymore because they have a massive front panel. Ideally, the case has a mesh front panel to draw in air properly at the front bottom, and then exhaust it at the rear top. If you want a DVD drive, Plextor PX-891SAF is fine.

Thank you very much Rasmus