I Do NOT know why they allow some engines with EGTB and others without in TCEC

[Chessqueen]

I was watching Nemorino playing versus Stockfish and the position was s draw according to Crystal and Stockfish that both use EGTB, but poor Nemorino held Stockfish to a draw up to the very end and the only reason it did NOT ended in a draw was because Nemorino did NOT use EGTB properly, The use of a 6 or 7 men EGTB can give an engine an advantage of 15 rating points, and can avoid an engine to lose in a drawish position like this one where Nemorino had a Rook

Here is the game ==> https://tcec-chess.com/live.html#div=fr ... &season=20

[syzygy]

I was watching Nemorino playing versus Stockfish and the position was s draw according to Crystal and Stockfish that both use EGTB, but poor Nemorino held Stockfish to a draw up to the very end and the only reason it did NOT ended in a draw was because Nemorino did NOT use EGTB properly

Here is the game ==> https://tcec-chess.com/live.html#div=fr ... &season=20

Wrong link?

[Chessqueen]

I was watching Nemorino playing versus Stockfish and the position was s draw according to Crystal and Stockfish that both use EGTB, but poor Nemorino held Stockfish to a draw up to the very end and the only reason it did NOT ended in a draw was because Nemorino did NOT use EGTB properly

Here is the game ==> https://tcec-chess.com/live.html#div=fr ... &season=20

Wrong link?

That is the correct Link, check after move 36 and any other engine Ethereal or Dragon can held this position to a draw versus Stockfish

[syzygy]

I was watching Nemorino playing versus Stockfish and the position was s draw according to Crystal and Stockfish that both use EGTB, but poor Nemorino held Stockfish to a draw up to the very end and the only reason it did NOT ended in a draw was because Nemorino did NOT use EGTB properly

Here is the game ==> https://tcec-chess.com/live.html#div=fr ... &season=20

Wrong link?

That is the correct Link, check after move 36 and any other engine Ethereal or Dragon can held this position to a draw versus Stockfish

After move 36 where SF's eval is at -2.09 from Nemorino's point of view?
[d]8/3p4/1kn1p3/p4p2/8/bP1B4/P5K1/7R w - - 0 37

Sure, Nemorino would have held this if it had had TBs

[Guenther]

I was watching Nemorino playing versus Stockfish and the position was s draw according to Crystal and Stockfish that both use EGTB, but poor Nemorino held Stockfish to a draw up to the very end and the only reason it did NOT ended in a draw was because Nemorino did NOT use EGTB properly :roll:

Here is the game ==> https://tcec-chess.com/live.html#div=fr ... &season=20

Wrong link?

That is the correct Link, check after move 36 and any other engine Ethereal or Dragon can held this position to a draw versus Stockfish :roll:

After move 36 where SF's eval is at -2.09 from Nemorino's point of view?
[d]8/3p4/1kn1p3/p4p2/8/bP1B4/P5K1/7R w - - 0 37

Sure, Nemorino would have held this if it had had TBs :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I am quite sure Pichard had fumbled up his settings for eval display.
When I first looked at it my last changed ones also displayed a flat zero line from some point on.
Ofc I knew immediately that it was just the display, because the PVs and mouseonover points revealed high losing evals.

The advice to Pichy, reset your controls at TCEC to reset everything ;-)
(Options => Controls - Reset, otherwise it would be too tedious to explain all parameters you could have changed)

Ok, a better advice try first going back to eval or linear ... scaling

And of course it had TBS and used them, guess why there is a TB display too? What does it tell you?

[Guenther]

You could have tried looking a bit closer first, before adding a yellow press headerline here...
I Do NOT know why they allow some engines with EGTB and others without in TCEC

[Chessqueen]

I was watching Nemorino playing versus Stockfish and the position was s draw according to Crystal and Stockfish that both use EGTB, but poor Nemorino held Stockfish to a draw up to the very end and the only reason it did NOT ended in a draw was because Nemorino did NOT use EGTB properly

Here is the game ==> https://tcec-chess.com/live.html#div=fr ... &season=20

Wrong link?

That is the correct Link, check after move 36 and any other engine Ethereal or Dragon can held this position to a draw versus Stockfish

After move 36 where SF's eval is at -2.09 from Nemorino's point of view?
[d]8/3p4/1kn1p3/p4p2/8/bP1B4/P5K1/7R w - - 0 37

Sure, Nemorino would have held this if it had had TBs

I am quite sure Pichard had fumbled up his settings for eval display.
When I first looked at it my last changed ones also displayed a flat zero line from some point on.
Ofc I knew immediately that it was just the display, because the PVs and mouseonover points revealed high losing evals.

The advice to Pichy, reset your controls at TCEC to reset everything
(Options => Controls - Reset, otherwise it would be too tedious to explain all parameters you could have changed)

Ok, a better advice try first going back to eval or linear ... scaling

And of course it had TBS and used them, guess why there is a TB display too? What does it tell you?

Of course you know there is a big difference between a 4 to 5 men EGTB and 6 to 7 men EGTB like Stockfish is using once it get to 7 men EGTB it will get a big advantage over Nemorino
Here, I will help you remember ==> http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 79#p789713

[Guenther]

I was watching Nemorino playing versus Stockfish and the position was s draw according to Crystal and Stockfish that both use EGTB, but poor Nemorino held Stockfish to a draw up to the very end and the only reason it did NOT ended in a draw was because Nemorino did NOT use EGTB properly :roll:

Here is the game ==> https://tcec-chess.com/live.html#div=fr ... &season=20

Wrong link?

That is the correct Link, check after move 36 and any other engine Ethereal or Dragon can held this position to a draw versus Stockfish :roll:

After move 36 where SF's eval is at -2.09 from Nemorino's point of view?
[d]8/3p4/1kn1p3/p4p2/8/bP1B4/P5K1/7R w - - 0 37

Sure, Nemorino would have held this if it had had TBs :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I am quite sure Pichard had fumbled up his settings for eval display.
When I first looked at it my last changed ones also displayed a flat zero line from some point on.
Ofc I knew immediately that it was just the display, because the PVs and mouseonover points revealed high losing evals.

The advice to Pichy, reset your controls at TCEC to reset everything ;-)
(Options => Controls - Reset, otherwise it would be too tedious to explain all parameters you could have changed)

Ok, a better advice try first going back to eval or linear ... scaling

And of course it had TBS and used them, guess why there is a TB display too? What does it tell you?

Of course you know there is a big difference between a 4 to 5 men EGTB and 6 to 7 men EGTB like Stockfish is using once it get to 7 men EGTB it will get a big advantage over Nemorino :roll:
Here, I will help you remember ==> http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 79#p789713

I don't know, if you are drunk or have gone crazy again (and again) or is this a not so subtle trolling attempt?
FWIW:

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Endgame Tablebases

For all divisions, 5-men Nalimov/Gaviota/Scorpio, and 6-men Syzygy are available and cached in RAM if enough free RAM is available.
When watching a game you can see the type of the tablebases (if any) that is in use for the engines currently playing by clicking
the gears next to the engine logo.

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Engine
Nemorino
Version
6.05_NNUE
Hash
65536
MoveOverhead
2500
Protocol
uci
SyzygyPath
/home/syzygy/
Threads
176

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Engine
Stockfish
Version
20210226
Contempt
24
Hash
65536
Move Overhead
1000
OwnBook
false
Ponder
false
Protocol
uci
SyzygyPath
/home/syzygy/
Threads
172
UCI_ShowWDL
true
Use NNUE
true

Well everyone can see they use the same Syzygy path...

[Chessqueen]

I was watching Nemorino playing versus Stockfish and the position was s draw according to Crystal and Stockfish that both use EGTB, but poor Nemorino held Stockfish to a draw up to the very end and the only reason it did NOT ended in a draw was because Nemorino did NOT use EGTB properly

Here is the game ==> https://tcec-chess.com/live.html#div=fr ... &season=20

Wrong link?

That is the correct Link, check after move 36 and any other engine Ethereal or Dragon can held this position to a draw versus Stockfish

After move 36 where SF's eval is at -2.09 from Nemorino's point of view?
[d]8/3p4/1kn1p3/p4p2/8/bP1B4/P5K1/7R w - - 0 37

Sure, Nemorino would have held this if it had had TBs

I am quite sure Pichard had fumbled up his settings for eval display.
When I first looked at it my last changed ones also displayed a flat zero line from some point on.
Ofc I knew immediately that it was just the display, because the PVs and mouseonover points revealed high losing evals.

The advice to Pichy, reset your controls at TCEC to reset everything
(Options => Controls - Reset, otherwise it would be too tedious to explain all parameters you could have changed)

Ok, a better advice try first going back to eval or linear ... scaling

And of course it had TBS and used them, guess why there is a TB display too? What does it tell you?

Of course you know there is a big difference between a 4 to 5 men EGTB and 6 to 7 men EGTB like Stockfish is using once it get to 7 men EGTB it will get a big advantage over Nemorino
Here, I will help you remember ==> http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 79#p789713

I don't know, if you are drunk or have gone crazy again (and again) or is this a not so subtle trolling attempt?
FWIW:

Code: Select all

Endgame Tablebases

For all divisions, 5-men Nalimov/Gaviota/Scorpio, and 6-men Syzygy are available and cached in RAM if enough free RAM is available.
When watching a game you can see the type of the tablebases (if any) that is in use for the engines currently playing by clicking
the gears next to the engine logo.

Code: Select all

Engine
Nemorino
Version
6.05_NNUE
Hash
65536
MoveOverhead
2500
Protocol
uci
SyzygyPath
/home/syzygy/
Threads
176

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Engine
Stockfish
Version
20210226
Contempt
24
Hash
65536
Move Overhead
1000
OwnBook
false
Ponder
false
Protocol
uci
SyzygyPath
/home/syzygy/
Threads
172
UCI_ShowWDL
true
Use NNUE
true

Well everyone can see they use the same Syzygy path...

Just like before, today I only have drunk 2 cases of Beers, and I have traveled thru time, I was in spain year 1760, I talked to the King of Spain Charles III; I was there when he made far-reaching reforms to increase the flow of funds to the crown and influenced King Philip. I like drinking since I travel thru time and meet interesting people. Now I will go back and get another beer to continue my travel thru time.

[RubiChess]

Just like before, today I only have drunk 2 cases of Beers, and I have traveled thru time, I was in spain year 1760, I talked to the King of Spain Charles III; I was there when he made far-reaching reforms to increase the flow of funds to the crown and influenced King Philip. I like drinking since I travel thru time and meet interesting people. Now I will go back and get another beer to continue my travel thru time.

Best Chessqueen post of all time. Should definitely be pinned on top.