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Re: Can somebody compare the AMD Ryzen processors to the intel processors

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Jouni wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:01 pm Are benches here with large pages? 10% speed-up for free with Intel. But I am not sure about AMD.
AMD also increases ~10%, the option is now automatic in Stockfish , but Large Pages still must be set by the user.. Gain varies by number of cores and hash size. Gains are greater with high number of cores and hash sizes that are set at 2048M or multiple thereof.

Current Stockfish, when running bench , does not inform the user if Large Pages are enabled. Also in current Stockifsh, it runs half the positions using classical mode and the half using nnue mode (every other position).

I have designed the Honey engines to run bench slightly different from Stockfish

First Honey engines run a bench of 96 positions, Second, when running bench, it will inform the user if large pages are set or not. Third, the engines can run bench in total NNUE mode or classical mode.

Example:
To run bench in nnue mode:
Harmon-v13-Eval-Threadripper.exe bench 2048 64 16 true > the true indicates nnue mode .
info string Found 510 tablebases
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages enabled: 256 Mb
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages enabled: 2048 Mb
info string Found 510 tablebases
Position: 1/96
FEN: rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1
info string NNUE evaluation using eval.bin enabled
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bestmove d2d4 ponder d7d5
Nodes/Second: 77385k
<snip>
Position: 96/96
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info string NNUE evaluation using eval.bin enabled
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bestmove e8d7 ponder g5d2
Nodes/Second: 118004k
NN evaluation using eval.bin enabled.

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Total time (ms) : 8139
Nodes searched : 933394796

Nodes/second : 114681k

To run bench in classical mode:
Harmon-v13-Eval-Threadripper.exe bench 2048 64 16 false


Harmon v13 by The Stockfish Developers as noted in the AUTHORS file
info string Found 510 tablebases
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages enabled: 256 Mb
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages enabled: 2048 Mb
info string Found 510 tablebases

Position: 1/96
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bestmove e2e4 ponder e7e5
Nodes/Second: 82943k
Classical evaluation enabled.
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bestmove e8d7 ponder g5d2
Nodes/Second: 123940k
Classical evaluation enabled.

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Total time (ms) : 9380
Nodes searched : 1154656953

Nodes/second : 123097k

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Re: Can somebody compare the AMD Ryzen processors to the intel processors

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pohl4711 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:21 am
MMarco wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:12 pm
Seriously?

You're the only one here with a ratio far above 100% amongs a few users with an AMD processor. MikeB got 92%. I get 91%, Elpapa 90%, Modern Times 94%. You get 131% and you think that perhaps other's results are wrong?
I measured the right thing (to show, why the Ipman speed measurements with a non nnue-engine (asmFish) are outdated), but I wrote nonsense:

What I measured (and what has to be measured) was the speed gain from popcount binary to bmi2/avx2 binary. Not comparing avx2-speed of nnue on/off (that makes no sense at all). Sorry for that.

So, here is the real point, the speedups from popcount to bmi2/avx2:

Intel Haswell:
nnue off:
popcount -> bmi2 : +4.3%

nnue on:
popcount -> bmi2 : +22%


AMD Ryzen 3900:
nnue off:
popcount -> avx2 : +0.9%

nnue on:
popcount -> avx2 : +30%


So, nnue engines run measureable faster on AMD Ryzen/Threadripper, when the CPU is on a corresponding GHz-speed level than a Intel CPU, but slower, if the engine uses no nnue. Because the speedup from the base version (popcount) to the CPU-type optimized version (bmi2 for Intel, avx2 for AMD) is higher for AMD/avx2, if nnue is on and higher for Intel/bmi2, if nnue is off.
And because of this (and the fact, that nnue-engines have taken over), the Ipman-speed measurements using old asmFish are outdated.
So you discovered that NNUE that has handcrafted SIMD instructions implementation runs noticeably faster on CPUs that have support for those when the particular part of SIMD optimized code is enabled?!?!
Hm, congratulations, you've reinvented the wheel.
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Re: Can somebody compare the AMD Ryzen processors to the intel processors

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Table updated. Zen 1 (R7 1700) is ~1520000 but I didn't write down the exact numbers. I don't have anything from "modern" Intel though.
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, GCC 10.2, Stockfish 13 BMI2
Total time (ms) : 1140
Nodes searched : 3766422
Nodes/second : 3303878

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X, GCC 10.2, Stockfish 13 AVX2
Total time (ms) : 1465
Nodes searched : 3766422
Nodes/second : 2570936

AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, GCC 10.2, Stockfish 13 AVX2
Total time (ms) : 1888
Nodes searched : 3766422
Nodes/second : 1994926

Intel Xeon E3-1240 v3 (Haswell), GCC 10.2, Stockfish 13 AVX2
Total time (ms) : 1838
Nodes searched : 3766422
Nodes/second : 2049195

Intel i7-3770K, GCC 10.2, Stockfish 13 Modern
Total time (ms) : 2114
Nodes searched : 3766422
Nodes/second : 1781656

Apple M1, Clang 12.0, Stockfish 13 NEON
Total time (ms) : 1512
Nodes searched : 3766422
Nodes/second : 2491019
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Re: Can somebody compare the AMD Ryzen processors to the intel processors

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Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:13 am Table updated. Zen 1 (R7 1700) is ~1520000 but I didn't write down the exact numbers. I don't have anything from "modern" Intel though.
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, GCC 10.2, Stockfish 13 BMI2
Total time (ms) : 1140
Nodes searched : 3766422
Nodes/second : 3303878

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X, GCC 10.2, Stockfish 13 AVX2
Total time (ms) : 1465
Nodes searched : 3766422
Nodes/second : 2570936

AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, GCC 10.2, Stockfish 13 AVX2
Total time (ms) : 1888
Nodes searched : 3766422
Nodes/second : 1994926

Intel Xeon E3-1240 v3 (Haswell), GCC 10.2, Stockfish 13 AVX2
Total time (ms) : 1838
Nodes searched : 3766422
Nodes/second : 2049195

Intel i7-3770K, GCC 10.2, Stockfish 13 Modern
Total time (ms) : 2114
Nodes searched : 3766422
Nodes/second : 1781656

Apple M1, Clang 12.0, Stockfish 13 NEON
Total time (ms) : 1512
Nodes searched : 3766422
Nodes/second : 2491019

Where do you get the latest benchmarck file to test these computers, where is the link :?:
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Re: Can somebody compare the AMD Ryzen processors to the intel processors

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Mike B:
Mike, I was looking in my Engine Personality for SF 260221 in Aquarium running on dual Xeon system, and I did not see Large Pages options. Does that mean that Large Pages option would come up only on an AMD system?
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Re: Can somebody compare the AMD Ryzen processors to the intel processors

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cma6 wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:07 pm Mike B:
Mike, I was looking in my Engine Personality for SF 260221 in Aquarium running on dual Xeon system, and I did not see Large Pages options. Does that mean that Large Pages option would come up only on an AMD system?
You have to enable large pages. There is information on this page about how you can enable large pages on Windows 10:
https://www.chaoticafractals.com/manual ... rt-windows

Or you can just google it yourself.
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Re: Can somebody compare the AMD Ryzen processors to the intel processors

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Chessqueen wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:31 pm Where do you get the latest benchmarck file to test these computers, where is the link :?:
You just run "bench" in the executable: Best to do it this way https://github.com/official-stockfish/S ... -775835158

These were Linux machines so I compiled from source, but using the Stockfish 13 from stockfishchess.org would also work.
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Re: Can somebody compare the AMD Ryzen processors to the intel processors

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Dann Corbit wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:12 pm
cma6 wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:07 pm Mike B:
Mike, I was looking in my Engine Personality for SF 260221 in Aquarium running on dual Xeon system, and I did not see Large Pages options. Does that mean that Large Pages option would come up only on an AMD system?
You have to enable large pages. There is information on this page about how you can enable large pages on Windows 10:
https://www.chaoticafractals.com/manual ... rt-windows

Thanks, Dan. I've enabled Large Pages as per instructions and am now running Aquarium in Admin mode. In SF parameters, there is no indication of Large Pages enabled, so do I take it on faith that LP are enabled for Aquarium/SF on a dual-Xeon (Intel) system with 36 cores? And if LPF are set, what difference should I see in running i.a.? I have been using 4096 MB hash for SF in Aquarium.

Mike B. said "Large Pages still must be set by the user. Gain varies by number of cores and hash size. Gains are greater with high number of cores and hash sizes that are set at 2048M or multiple thereof."
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Re: Can somebody compare the AMD Ryzen processors to the intel processors

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Chessqueen wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:34 am Can somebody compare the AMD Ryzen processors to the intel processors engine benchmarks, I do NOT want to see any other processors on the list.

For instance:
Ryzen 5 3600 and Next to it the intel i5
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X ‎and Next to it the intel i7
AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Next to it the intel i9

I'll do the first of those for you - "Ryzen 5 3600 and Next to it the intel i5".

I don't have either a Ryzen 5 3600 or an Intel I5 - but that's not going to stop me! You see, other people do have them, and they publish the GeekBench results!

Ryzen 5 3600 - link.

Single core: 1206
Multi core: 6689


Intel i5 - link. (there are many i5 models: I picked the 10600K)

Single core: 1311
Multi core: 6975
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Re: Can somebody compare the AMD Ryzen processors to the intel processors

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cma6 wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:26 am
Dann Corbit wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:12 pm
cma6 wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:07 pm Mike B:
Mike, I was looking in my Engine Personality for SF 260221 in Aquarium running on dual Xeon system, and I did not see Large Pages options. Does that mean that Large Pages option would come up only on an AMD system?
You have to enable large pages. There is information on this page about how you can enable large pages on Windows 10:
https://www.chaoticafractals.com/manual ... rt-windows

Thanks, Dan. I've enabled Large Pages as per instructions and am now running Aquarium in Admin mode. In SF parameters, there is no indication of Large Pages enabled, so do I take it on faith that LP are enabled for Aquarium/SF on a dual-Xeon (Intel) system with 36 cores? And if LPF are set, what difference should I see in running i.a.? I have been using 4096 MB hash for SF in Aquarium.

Mike B. said "Large Pages still must be set by the user. Gain varies by number of cores and hash size. Gains are greater with high number of cores and hash sizes that are set at 2048M or multiple thereof."

The large pages will be an engine UCI parameter for engines that support them.
You will see when the engine starts up if there is a large pages failure, but it will still load with regular memory use.
Sometimes, large pages will fail simply because memory is fragmented or for some other reason the requested large pages cannot be allocated.
In these cases, the engine will fall back to ordinary allocation.
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