Release of 4 new Rebel's

[Rebel]

Release of 4 new Rebel's with neural nets created by Chris Whittington playing the famous CSTAL style.

http://rebel13.nl/windows/rebel-14.html#other

https://github.com/egh-s/Rebel-14.1.02- ... stem-TAL-1

[Steve Maughan]

Brilliant — thanks Ed and Chris!

How has the aggressive CSTal style been embedded into the NNs? Is it trained on positions evaluated using the (old) CSTal evaluation function?

— Steve

[mclane]

I tried it out against several engines, all using same CPU threads of course (only 1) and it plays like Tal. It tries and tries to pull you into the dark Forrest, into the fog of no return.

Of course the opponents should be in the same range of ELO, otherwise it's not working.

Now we have Chess System Tal 3 NNUE in
4 nets.

I found 5' very good.

Now maybe the next release will give SMP and szyzgy tablebases and a big gambit book and it kills even the "big ones".

[towforce]

I tried it out against several engines, all using same CPU threads of course (only 1) and it plays like Tal. It tries and tries to pull you into the dark Forrest, into the fog of no return.

Of course the opponents should be in the same range of ELO, otherwise it's not working.

Now we have Chess System Tal 3 NNUE in
4 nets.

I found 5' very good.

Now maybe the next release will give SMP and szyzgy tablebases and a big gambit book and it kills even the "big ones".

Good, informative review - thanks!

[mclane]

Wait until you see the tal games…

[pohl4711]

Release of 4 new Rebel's with neural nets created by Chris Whittington playing the famous CSTAL style.

http://rebel13.nl/windows/rebel-14.html#other

https://github.com/egh-s/Rebel-14.1.02- ... stem-TAL-1

What about changing Stockfish-code, so that Stockfish can use these interesting new nets? This will not lead to a stronger Stockfish, of course, but perhaps to a very interesting playing (and somewhat weaker) Stockfish - which would be still much, much stronger than Rebel 14.1 (and uses multithreading etc.).

I would love this and testing it for lower draw-rates and shorter games than the default-Stockfish!

Regards - Stefan (SPCC)

[dkappe]

Release of 4 new Rebel's with neural nets created by Chris Whittington playing the famous CSTAL style.

http://rebel13.nl/windows/rebel-14.html#other

https://github.com/egh-s/Rebel-14.1.02- ... stem-TAL-1

What about changing Stockfish-code, so that Stockfish can use these interesting new nets? This will not lead to a stronger Stockfish, of course, but perhaps to a very interesting playing (and somewhat weaker) Stockfish - which would be still much, much stronger than Rebel 14.1 (and uses multithreading etc.).

I would love this and testing it for lower draw-rates and shorter games than the default-Stockfish!

Regards - Stefan (SPCC)

Maybe if stockfish makes it’s nets available for Rebel that might be a fair trade. I’m thinking of making some of my nets available for Rebel 14.1.

[mclane]

Release of 4 new Rebel's with neural nets created by Chris Whittington playing the famous CSTAL style.

http://rebel13.nl/windows/rebel-14.html#other

https://github.com/egh-s/Rebel-14.1.02- ... stem-TAL-1

What about changing Stockfish-code, so that Stockfish can use these interesting new nets? This will not lead to a stronger Stockfish, of course, but perhaps to a very interesting playing (and somewhat weaker) Stockfish - which would be still much, much stronger than Rebel 14.1 (and uses multithreading etc.).

I would love this and testing it for lower draw-rates and shorter games than the default-Stockfish!

Regards - Stefan (SPCC)

And how do you want to find out that stockfish tal plays unsound ?! By testing it against Komodo?

The engine creates art, like a painter does, on fruit level.
Imo on the level of stockfish, this is difficult to measure.


So far chess system tal 3 NNUE plays only one core and only on fruit level.

It is still on a high level and much higher then chess system tal 2 was doing, because search has improved a lot from 1999 to 2004.

[Rebel]

Release of 4 new Rebel's with neural nets created by Chris Whittington playing the famous CSTAL style.

http://rebel13.nl/windows/rebel-14.html#other

https://github.com/egh-s/Rebel-14.1.02- ... stem-TAL-1

What about changing Stockfish-code, so that Stockfish can use these interesting new nets? This will not lead to a stronger Stockfish, of course, but perhaps to a very interesting playing (and somewhat weaker) Stockfish - which would be still much, much stronger than Rebel 14.1 (and uses multithreading etc.).

I would love this and testing it for lower draw-rates and shorter games than the default-Stockfish!

Regards - Stefan (SPCC)

Maybe if stockfish makes it’s nets available for Rebel that might be a fair trade. I’m thinking of making some of my nets available for Rebel 14.1.

Sure, the more the better and I can start a new rating list, the RRL, just kidding.

[towforce]

Maybe if stockfish makes it’s nets available for Rebel that might be a fair trade. I’m thinking of making some of my nets available for Rebel 14.1.

Both the new Rebel and Stockfish are open source, so Rebel could use the Stockfish net if it chose to (giving acknowledgement) - or am I missing something?