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Re: Test is finished (better than previous version or is it?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:25 pm
by pedrox
Hi Tony and Michael, I have proven to DanaSah with Naum, about middlegame Naum thinks 3 ply deeper, wins easy by tactics and the evaluation differs enough.
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Motor Puntaje Na
1: Naum 2.0 52,0/60 ······························
2: DanaSah v.2.85k 4,0/30 00=0=00000000000=000=000010100
2: DanaSah v.3.03 4,0/30 000000=00000=0==0000=10=000000
60 partidas jugadas / Torneo finalizado
Nombre del torneo: Torneo 159
Lugar/ País: AMD64, Spain
Nivel: Blitz 1/1
Hardware: Dual AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ 2405 MHz con 1.022 MB de Memoria
Sistema operativo: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Archivo PGN: C:\Archivos de programa\Arena\Tournaments\Torneo 159.pgn
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Re: Test is finished (better than previous version or is it?
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:43 am
by Tony Thomas
Michael Sherwin wrote:I would have thought that avoiding extreams would give more solid results. A +/- 1 point is worth 44 ELO when at 90% and only worth 7 ELO at 50%. However, it could be interesting.
Since Romi has climbed to the 4th place, it is no longer in the middle. I am going to add two or three stronger engines to lower Romi back to around 6-8th place and also I am going to take out few weaker engines. One that I am going to take out is Zeus, after 570 games it has the same rating as a 27Kb engine namely Nanosachy.
Re: Test is finished (better than previous version or is it?
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:06 am
by Michael Sherwin
pedrox wrote:Hi Tony and Michael, I have proven to DanaSah with Naum, about middlegame Naum thinks 3 ply deeper, wins easy by tactics and the evaluation differs enough.
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Motor Puntaje Na
1: Naum 2.0 52,0/60 ······························
2: DanaSah v.2.85k 4,0/30 00=0=00000000000=000=000010100
2: DanaSah v.3.03 4,0/30 000000=00000=0==0000=10=000000
60 partidas jugadas / Torneo finalizado
Nombre del torneo: Torneo 159
Lugar/ País: AMD64, Spain
Nivel: Blitz 1/1
Hardware: Dual AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ 2405 MHz con 1.022 MB de Memoria
Sistema operativo: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Archivo PGN: C:\Archivos de programa\Arena\Tournaments\Torneo 159.pgn
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Hi Pedro,
It would appear that Naum has some magic that we will have to discover!
Mike
Re: Test is finished (better than previous version or is it?
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:19 am
by Michael Sherwin
Tony Thomas wrote:Michael Sherwin wrote:I would have thought that avoiding extreams would give more solid results. A +/- 1 point is worth 44 ELO when at 90% and only worth 7 ELO at 50%. However, it could be interesting.
Since Romi has climbed to the 4th place, it is no longer in the middle. I am going to add two or three stronger engines to lower Romi back to around 6-8th place and also I am going to take out few weaker engines. One that I am going to take out is Zeus, after 570 games it has the same rating as a 27Kb engine namely Nanosachy.
Well Romi was sulking around today and acting all bummed out. When I got her to tell me what was wrong, she said; "Tony must not like me anymore, because he made me look really bad."
Then she ask me; "What are you going to do about it?"
Thanks a lot Tony!
Re: Test is finished (better than previous version or is it?
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:16 am
by Tony Thomas
Michael Sherwin wrote:Tony Thomas wrote:Michael Sherwin wrote:I would have thought that avoiding extreams would give more solid results. A +/- 1 point is worth 44 ELO when at 90% and only worth 7 ELO at 50%. However, it could be interesting.
Since Romi has climbed to the 4th place, it is no longer in the middle. I am going to add two or three stronger engines to lower Romi back to around 6-8th place and also I am going to take out few weaker engines. One that I am going to take out is Zeus, after 570 games it has the same rating as a 27Kb engine namely Nanosachy.
Well Romi was sulking around today and acting all bummed out. When I got her to tell me what was wrong, she said; "Tony must not like me anymore, because he made me look really bad."
Then she ask me; "What are you going to do about it?"
Thanks a lot Tony!
Another reason why I decided to add some stronger opposition. I didnt want the pride to get in to your head, and in turn you know that you would slack. Naum 2.0 is probably only 100 to 120 points stronger than Zappa according to my previous rating list. Here is the list with few games of Naum added...Note that Lime is going to stay as a special opponent to boost your ego.
I have not yet made up my mind on the other opponent that I am going to take out, its going to be either Djinn or Delphil and I am going to update the list with a newer version of Dana, and another engine as time permits.
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Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws
1 Naum 2.0 : 2665 73 71 90 72.2 % 2499 17.8 %
2 Zappa 1.1 : 2537 27 27 600 67.8 % 2408 16.5 %
3 Francesca MAD 0.13 : 2497 27 26 570 64.1 % 2396 19.1 %
4 Arasan 9.5 : 2492 26 26 600 61.6 % 2410 17.5 %
5 RomiChessDK5 : 2465 34 34 360 60.7 % 2390 15.8 %
6 RomiChessDK6 : 2462 32 31 390 57.3 % 2411 18.7 %
7 RomiChessDK3 : 2438 33 33 360 57.4 % 2386 18.1 %
8 RomiChessDK4 : 2432 30 30 420 56.7 % 2385 21.4 %
9 Danasah 2.85 : 2431 25 25 571 54.5 % 2400 22.4 %
10 RomiChessP3j : 2416 40 40 248 52.6 % 2398 14.9 %
11 RomiChessDK2 : 2411 33 33 360 53.6 % 2386 16.1 %
12 Phalanx Reborn : 2410 26 26 570 51.3 % 2401 15.3 %
13 Delphil 1.6c : 2397 26 26 547 49.5 % 2401 21.0 %
14 Horizon_4_3_173 : 2389 31 31 420 48.0 % 2403 14.5 %
15 Djinn 0.925x : 2375 26 26 570 46.0 % 2403 15.8 %
16 Horizon_4_3_175 : 2365 33 33 360 46.0 % 2393 18.1 %
17 Horizon 4.3 : 2350 30 30 420 43.1 % 2398 18.6 %
18 Zeus 1.28 : 2349 27 27 540 42.2 % 2403 19.3 %
19 NanoSzachy 2.7 : 2349 27 27 540 42.2 % 2403 15.9 %
20 GreKo 5.2 : 2267 28 28 570 30.7 % 2408 16.1 %
21 Lime 6.3 : 2159 33 34 570 18.7 % 2414 10.0
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Re: Test is finished (better than previous version or is it?
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:19 am
by Tony Thomas
pedrox wrote:Hi Tony and Michael, I have proven to DanaSah with Naum, about middlegame Naum thinks 3 ply deeper, wins easy by tactics and the evaluation differs enough.
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Motor Puntaje Na
1: Naum 2.0 52,0/60 ······························
2: DanaSah v.2.85k 4,0/30 00=0=00000000000=000=000010100
2: DanaSah v.3.03 4,0/30 000000=00000=0==0000=10=000000
60 partidas jugadas / Torneo finalizado
Nombre del torneo: Torneo 159
Lugar/ País: AMD64, Spain
Nivel: Blitz 1/1
Hardware: Dual AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ 2405 MHz con 1.022 MB de Memoria
Sistema operativo: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Archivo PGN: C:\Archivos de programa\Arena\Tournaments\Torneo 159.pgn
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Correo electrónico:
I havent played any games with the new version of Dana yet, but I will post my results against Naum 2.0 vs Dana 2.85k by Friday. As I mentioned in the previous post, I will eventually integrate current version of Dana in to the list as time permits.
Re: Test is finished (better than previous version or is it?
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:20 am
by Graham Banks
Guys - this thread is becoming too long. Could you please start a new one to continue your discussions and let this one eventually drop off the page?
Thanks, Graham.
Re: Test is finished (better than previous version or is it?
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:28 am
by Tony Thomas
Graham Banks wrote:Guys - this thread is becoming too long. Could you please start a new one to continue your discussions and let this one eventually drop off the page?
Thanks, Graham.
I will start a new one when I am testing the next version of Romi (in a few days) I dont like to start a new thread without an adequate reason. May be you should start like the mods at CTF, there they have threads that are 20 pages long and no one is complaining.