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Tony Thomas

Sjeng 2.5 is a waste of money

Post by Tony Thomas » Sun May 06, 2007 9:47 am

I fooled all of you if you thought that I was going to rant about how weak Sjeng is and that Gian Carlo should make it a free/ open source engine. It was just a gimmick to get the attention after all. Just like most of you, I downloaded the program the first day it was released. I played about 100 games of it versus 25 different opponents, 4RR, after 100 games it scored pretty decent against most of these engines for me to conclude that this version is indeed a big improvement. I never did play with the previous version against the same set of opponents. In fact, the previous version plays one division down, and it did face some of the opponents from the current 25 (26 once I finish the game against Chess Tiger) namely, Trace (+68)Frenzee (+76), Wildcat (+91) and Zappa 1.1 (+44)and scored almost XXXX points less. The new version however scored an average of 85 points higher than the above mentioned opponents.

A nice feature the native GUI provides is the option to play against a handicapped version of the engine. For some unknown reasons I like it so far, may be because I am kicking the engines ass at 1200-1400 range. Another thing I have observed is Sjeng's ability to evaluate certain positions very accurately towards the end of the game as opposed to some major opponents such as Naum and Hiarcs. Hiarcs was giving itself an advantage of more than one pawn in a KNN vs KRP (hiarcs) endgame that was obviously a dead draw were as Sjeng had a score of 0.00 about 5 moves before it got to that 6 man endgame. I am not strong enough to evaluate the engine any further.

By the way I called the engine Sjeng because I only have a single CPU.

Below rating is calculated with a start rating of 2650.

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23 Sjeng 2.5               : 2626  100 (+ 36,= 23,- 41), 47.5 %

Rybka v1.0 Beta.w32           :   4 (+  0,=  2,-  2), 25.0 %
WildCat 7.0                   :   4 (+  2,=  1,-  1), 62.5 %
TogaII 1.2 beta 2a KS/EHP     :   4 (+  0,=  2,-  2), 25.0 %
Spike 1.2 Turin               :   4 (+  2,=  1,-  1), 62.5 %
Smarthink 1.00                :   4 (+  2,=  0,-  2), 50.0 %
Prodeo 1.2                    :   4 (+  3,=  0,-  1), 75.0 %
Glaurung 1.2.1                :   4 (+  1,=  1,-  2), 37.5 %
Trace 1.37a                   :   4 (+  2,=  2,-  0), 75.0 %
Frenzee 3.0                   :   4 (+  3,=  0,-  1), 75.0 %
Gandalf 6.01                  :   4 (+  1,=  1,-  2), 37.5 %
Ktulu 8.0                     :   4 (+  0,=  1,-  3), 12.5 %
Thinker 4.7a                  :   4 (+  1,=  1,-  2), 37.5 %
Pharaon 3.5.1                 :   4 (+  1,=  1,-  2), 37.5 %
SOS 5.1                       :   4 (+  1,=  1,-  2), 37.5 %
Ruffian 1.0.5                 :   4 (+  1,=  0,-  3), 25.0 %
SlowChess Blitz WV 2.1        :   4 (+  2,=  1,-  1), 62.5 %
Aristarch 4.50                :   4 (+  3,=  0,-  1), 75.0 %
Jonny 2.83                    :   4 (+  2,=  2,-  0), 75.0 %
CM10th D2Alos                 :   4 (+  1,=  1,-  2), 37.5 %
Zappa 1.1                     :   4 (+  2,=  1,-  1), 62.5 %
HiarcsX50UCI                  :   4 (+  0,=  1,-  3), 12.5 %
Shredder10UCI Balmung         :   4 (+  2,=  0,-  2), 50.0 %
List 5.12                     :   4 (+  1,=  1,-  2), 37.5 %
Naum 2.1                      :   4 (+  2,=  0,-  2), 50.0 %
Delfi 5.1                     :   4 (+  1,=  2,-  1), 50.0 %

Here is the list of 10 engines rated above and below Sjeng.

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 18 Gandalf 6.01                   : 2654   52  52   135    50.7 %   2649   21.5 %
 19 List 5.12                      : 2647   53  53   118    49.2 %   2652   28.8 %
 20 Scorpio 1.84 JA                : 2641   58  58   112    48.7 %   2650   20.5 %
 21 Delfi 5.1                      : 2634   57  57   112    47.3 %   2652   23.2 %
 22 Pharaon 3.5.1                  : 2631   50  50   143    46.9 %   2653   25.2 %
 23 Sjeng 2.5                     : 2626   60  61   100    47.5 %   2644   23.0 %
 24 Delfi 5.0                      : 2625   54  54   119    47.1 %   2645   26.9 %
 25 Glaurung 1.2.1                 : 2616   50  50   143    44.8 %   2653   23.8 %
 26 Ruffian 1.0.5                  : 2616   55  55   135    45.2 %   2650   14.8 %
 27 CM10th D2Alos                  : 2616   51  51   135    45.2 %   2650   25.2 %
 28 Prodeo 1.2                     : 2611   50  50   135    44.4 %   2650   28.1 %
Now the question most wants the answer for is, would I buy the engine? Yes, I would, and I did buy it about 30 minutes before the post.

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Re: Sjeng 2.5 is a waste of money

Post by Uri Blass » Sun May 06, 2007 10:05 am

I wonder if you tested movei progress 10 10 10 personality.

Jorge claims that progress 8 8 8 is better but my tests so far( that do not have enough games) suggest that it is not the case.

If Trace promoted to your premier league then maybe progress 10 10 10 can also promote to that league.

Uri

Tony Thomas

Re: Sjeng 2.5 is a waste of money

Post by Tony Thomas » Sun May 06, 2007 10:37 am

Uri Blass wrote:I wonder if you tested movei progress 10 10 10 personality.

Jorge claims that progress 8 8 8 is better but my tests so far( that do not have enough games) suggest that it is not the case.

If Trace promoted to your premier league then maybe progress 10 10 10 can also promote to that league.

Uri
Trace did manage to promote, but it isnt scoring enough points to stay there for next edition. I havent tested 10 10 10 personality, I have been busy lately with school and Romichess etc. I would test it when I get a chance, how much improvement do you expect from the new personality? If it spits out about 20 to 30 points then yes you can advance to the premier. Though I am not supposed to promote engines while I am not running tournaments, I do make exceptions from time to time as my tournaments are only for my enjoyment.

Also, how do I change the moveichanges.ini, here is how mine currently looks, I do not know if all those things are necessary. Do I just add Progress 10 10 10 at the end?

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loghash 20 loghasheval 20 resign_value -1000 logfile 0 perfthash 256win_learning 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1lose_learning 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1pawn_square_table 1000 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1000 140 140 140 140 140 140 140 140 125 125 125 125 125 125 125 125 110 110 110 115 115 110 110 110 100 102 105 110 110 105 102 100 100 101 102 95  95  102 101 100 101 100 100  80  80 100 100 101 0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0knight_square_table 210  300  340  340  340  340  300  210 300  340  350  350  350  350  340  300 330  350  355  355  355  355  350  330 330  350  355  360  360  355  350  330 330  350  355  360  360  355  350  330 340  350  355  355  355  355  350  340 320  340  350  350  350  350  340  320 220  320  340  340  340  340  320  220 bishop_square_table 350  350  350  350  350  350  350  350 300  360  360  360  360  360  360  300 360  360  365  365  365  365  360  360 350  360  365  370  370  365  360  350 350  360  365  370  370  365  360  350 350  360  360  360  360  360  360  350 350  360  360  360  360  360  360  350 340  340  340  350  350  340  340  340 rook_square_table   540  540  540  540  540  540  540  540 540  540  540  540  540  540  540  540 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  540  540  540  540  530  530 queen_square_table 1000  1010  1010  1010  1010  1010  1010  1000 990  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  990 1010  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1010 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000 990  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  990 990  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  990 king_table -60  -60  -60  -60  -60  -60  -60  -60 -50  -50  -50  -50  -50  -50  -50  -50 -45  -45  -45  -45  -45  -45  -45  -45 -40  -40  -40  -40  -40  -40  -40  -40 -35  -35  -35  -35  -35  -35  -35  -35 -30  -30  -30  -30  -30  -30  -30  -30 -10  -10  -20  -20  -20  -20  -10  -10 30   20    0    0    0    0   20    30 -24 -12  0  4  4  0 -12 -24 -12  8 20 24 24 20  8 -12 0 20 32 36 36 32 20  0 4 24 36 40 40 36 24  4 4 24 36 40 40 36 24  4 0 20 32 36 36 32 20  0 -12  8 20 24 24 20  8 -12 -24 -12  0  4  4  0 -12 -24king_safety_table 0 4 9 15 22 30 39 49 60 72 85 99 114 130 147 165king_relative_to_pawns_table 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 5 3 1 0 0 0 0 11 11 7 3 0 0 0 0 17 16 11 5 0 0 0 0 20 20 13 5 0 0 0 0 0 15 10 4 0 0 0 0 12 11 6 2 0 0 0 0 7 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0paneltyfiles 0 0 10 25 45 60 80 100progress 2 3 5 0Doublepawnpanelty 20opposite_color_bishops 44bigpositional_opening 105 bigpositional_endgame 95 big_bonus 160bigadvantage 200old_mobility_table  -92  -86  -80  -74  -68  -62  -56  -50  -44  -38  -32  -26  -20  -14  -8  -2 4 10  15  20  25  30  34  38  42  46  49  52  55  58  60  62  64  66  68  70  72 74  76  78  80  82  84  86  88  90  92  94  96  98  100  102  104  106  108  110 112  114  116  118  120  122  124  126  128  130  132  134  136  138  140  142 144  146  148  150  152  154  156  158  160  162  164  166  168  170  172  174  176  178  180  182  184  186  188  190  192  194  196  198  200  202  204  206  208  210  212  214  216  218  220  222  224  226  228  230  232  234  236  238  240  242  244  246  248  250  252  254  256  258  260  262  264  266  268  270  272  274  276  278  280  282  284  286  288  290  292  294  296  298  300  302  304  306  308  310  312  314  316  318  320  322  324  326  328  330  332  334  336  338  340  342  344  346  348  350  352  354  356  358  360  362  364  366  368  370  372  374  376  378  380  382  384  386  388  390  392  394  396  398  400  402  404  406  408  410  412  414  416  418  420  422  424  426  428  430  432  434  436  438 440 442 444 446 448 450 452 454 456 458 460 462 464 466 468 470 472 474 476 478 480 483 484 486 488 490 492 494 496 498 500 502 504 506 508open_file_number 10rook_behind_passed_pawn 20prefer_pawns_in_end_games 1capture_bonus1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97  98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 

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Re: Sjeng 2.5 is a waste of money

Post by Michael Sherwin » Sun May 06, 2007 11:03 am

I havent tested 10 10 10 personality, I have been busy lately with school and Romichess etc.
Hey Dr. Wael Deeb, time for your digit thumping kitty! Tony is taking way to long this time. Must be bad news and Tony is just stalling to keep from having to deliver it! :P
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Re: Sjeng 2.5 is a waste of money

Post by Uri Blass » Sun May 06, 2007 11:16 am

Tony Thomas wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:I wonder if you tested movei progress 10 10 10 personality.

Jorge claims that progress 8 8 8 is better but my tests so far( that do not have enough games) suggest that it is not the case.

If Trace promoted to your premier league then maybe progress 10 10 10 can also promote to that league.

Uri
Trace did manage to promote, but it isnt scoring enough points to stay there for next edition. I havent tested 10 10 10 personality, I have been busy lately with school and Romichess etc. I would test it when I get a chance, how much improvement do you expect from the new personality? If it spits out about 20 to 30 points then yes you can advance to the premier. Though I am not supposed to promote engines while I am not running tournaments, I do make exceptions from time to time as my tournaments are only for my enjoyment.

Also, how do I change the moveichanges.ini, here is how mine currently looks, I do not know if all those things are necessary. Do I just add Progress 10 10 10 at the end?

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loghash 20 loghasheval 20 resign_value -1000 logfile 0 perfthash 256win_learning 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1lose_learning 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1pawn_square_table 1000 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1000 140 140 140 140 140 140 140 140 125 125 125 125 125 125 125 125 110 110 110 115 115 110 110 110 100 102 105 110 110 105 102 100 100 101 102 95  95  102 101 100 101 100 100  80  80 100 100 101 0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0knight_square_table 210  300  340  340  340  340  300  210 300  340  350  350  350  350  340  300 330  350  355  355  355  355  350  330 330  350  355  360  360  355  350  330 330  350  355  360  360  355  350  330 340  350  355  355  355  355  350  340 320  340  350  350  350  350  340  320 220  320  340  340  340  340  320  220 bishop_square_table 350  350  350  350  350  350  350  350 300  360  360  360  360  360  360  300 360  360  365  365  365  365  360  360 350  360  365  370  370  365  360  350 350  360  365  370  370  365  360  350 350  360  360  360  360  360  360  350 350  360  360  360  360  360  360  350 340  340  340  350  350  340  340  340 rook_square_table   540  540  540  540  540  540  540  540 540  540  540  540  540  540  540  540 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  540  540  540  540  530  530 queen_square_table 1000  1010  1010  1010  1010  1010  1010  1000 990  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  990 1010  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1010 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000 990  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  990 990  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  990 king_table -60  -60  -60  -60  -60  -60  -60  -60 -50  -50  -50  -50  -50  -50  -50  -50 -45  -45  -45  -45  -45  -45  -45  -45 -40  -40  -40  -40  -40  -40  -40  -40 -35  -35  -35  -35  -35  -35  -35  -35 -30  -30  -30  -30  -30  -30  -30  -30 -10  -10  -20  -20  -20  -20  -10  -10 30   20    0    0    0    0   20    30 -24 -12  0  4  4  0 -12 -24 -12  8 20 24 24 20  8 -12 0 20 32 36 36 32 20  0 4 24 36 40 40 36 24  4 4 24 36 40 40 36 24  4 0 20 32 36 36 32 20  0 -12  8 20 24 24 20  8 -12 -24 -12  0  4  4  0 -12 -24king_safety_table 0 4 9 15 22 30 39 49 60 72 85 99 114 130 147 165king_relative_to_pawns_table 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 5 3 1 0 0 0 0 11 11 7 3 0 0 0 0 17 16 11 5 0 0 0 0 20 20 13 5 0 0 0 0 0 15 10 4 0 0 0 0 12 11 6 2 0 0 0 0 7 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0paneltyfiles 0 0 10 25 45 60 80 100progress 2 3 5 0Doublepawnpanelty 20opposite_color_bishops 44bigpositional_opening 105 bigpositional_endgame 95 big_bonus 160bigadvantage 200old_mobility_table  -92  -86  -80  -74  -68  -62  -56  -50  -44  -38  -32  -26  -20  -14  -8  -2 4 10  15  20  25  30  34  38  42  46  49  52  55  58  60  62  64  66  68  70  72 74  76  78  80  82  84  86  88  90  92  94  96  98  100  102  104  106  108  110 112  114  116  118  120  122  124  126  128  130  132  134  136  138  140  142 144  146  148  150  152  154  156  158  160  162  164  166  168  170  172  174  176  178  180  182  184  186  188  190  192  194  196  198  200  202  204  206  208  210  212  214  216  218  220  222  224  226  228  230  232  234  236  238  240  242  244  246  248  250  252  254  256  258  260  262  264  266  268  270  272  274  276  278  280  282  284  286  288  290  292  294  296  298  300  302  304  306  308  310  312  314  316  318  320  322  324  326  328  330  332  334  336  338  340  342  344  346  348  350  352  354  356  358  360  362  364  366  368  370  372  374  376  378  380  382  384  386  388  390  392  394  396  398  400  402  404  406  408  410  412  414  416  418  420  422  424  426  428  430  432  434  436  438 440 442 444 446 448 450 452 454 456 458 460 462 464 466 468 470 472 474 476 478 480 483 484 486 488 490 492 494 496 498 500 502 504 506 508open_file_number 10rook_behind_passed_pawn 20prefer_pawns_in_end_games 1capture_bonus1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97  98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 
The file that you give is the magic number file.

If you use movei as winboard engine then you need to create a special changes file with the name movei_changes403.ini and write progress 10 10 10 0 in your file

Note that I expect more than 20 elo improvement based on my tests but I did not play enough games to know.

It is possible that higher values than 10 are even better but I did not test it.

I believe that the first number is the most important number out of these numbers so if testers are interested they can also try progress 20 10 10 and report results to me.

Uri

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Re: Sjeng 2.5 is a waste of money

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Sun May 06, 2007 11:55 am

Michael Sherwin wrote:
I havent tested 10 10 10 personality, I have been busy lately with school and Romichess etc.
Hey Dr. Wael Deeb, time for your digit thumping kitty! Tony is taking way to long this time. Must be bad news and Tony is just stalling to keep from having to deliver it! :P
Hi Michael,
I've included the new kitty in a long time control tournament and I'll buzz you when I'm ready :D
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Re: Sjeng 2.5 is a waste of money

Post by Tony Thomas » Mon May 07, 2007 2:51 am

Uri Blass wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:I wonder if you tested movei progress 10 10 10 personality.

Jorge claims that progress 8 8 8 is better but my tests so far( that do not have enough games) suggest that it is not the case.

If Trace promoted to your premier league then maybe progress 10 10 10 can also promote to that league.

Uri
Trace did manage to promote, but it isnt scoring enough points to stay there for next edition. I havent tested 10 10 10 personality, I have been busy lately with school and Romichess etc. I would test it when I get a chance, how much improvement do you expect from the new personality? If it spits out about 20 to 30 points then yes you can advance to the premier. Though I am not supposed to promote engines while I am not running tournaments, I do make exceptions from time to time as my tournaments are only for my enjoyment.

Also, how do I change the moveichanges.ini, here is how mine currently looks, I do not know if all those things are necessary. Do I just add Progress 10 10 10 at the end?

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loghash 20 loghasheval 20 resign_value -1000 logfile 0 perfthash 256win_learning 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1lose_learning 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1pawn_square_table 1000 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1000 140 140 140 140 140 140 140 140 125 125 125 125 125 125 125 125 110 110 110 115 115 110 110 110 100 102 105 110 110 105 102 100 100 101 102 95  95  102 101 100 101 100 100  80  80 100 100 101 0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0knight_square_table 210  300  340  340  340  340  300  210 300  340  350  350  350  350  340  300 330  350  355  355  355  355  350  330 330  350  355  360  360  355  350  330 330  350  355  360  360  355  350  330 340  350  355  355  355  355  350  340 320  340  350  350  350  350  340  320 220  320  340  340  340  340  320  220 bishop_square_table 350  350  350  350  350  350  350  350 300  360  360  360  360  360  360  300 360  360  365  365  365  365  360  360 350  360  365  370  370  365  360  350 350  360  365  370  370  365  360  350 350  360  360  360  360  360  360  350 350  360  360  360  360  360  360  350 340  340  340  350  350  340  340  340 rook_square_table   540  540  540  540  540  540  540  540 540  540  540  540  540  540  540  540 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  540  540  540  540  530  530 queen_square_table 1000  1010  1010  1010  1010  1010  1010  1000 990  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  990 1010  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1010 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000 990  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  990 990  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  990 king_table -60  -60  -60  -60  -60  -60  -60  -60 -50  -50  -50  -50  -50  -50  -50  -50 -45  -45  -45  -45  -45  -45  -45  -45 -40  -40  -40  -40  -40  -40  -40  -40 -35  -35  -35  -35  -35  -35  -35  -35 -30  -30  -30  -30  -30  -30  -30  -30 -10  -10  -20  -20  -20  -20  -10  -10 30   20    0    0    0    0   20    30 -24 -12  0  4  4  0 -12 -24 -12  8 20 24 24 20  8 -12 0 20 32 36 36 32 20  0 4 24 36 40 40 36 24  4 4 24 36 40 40 36 24  4 0 20 32 36 36 32 20  0 -12  8 20 24 24 20  8 -12 -24 -12  0  4  4  0 -12 -24king_safety_table 0 4 9 15 22 30 39 49 60 72 85 99 114 130 147 165king_relative_to_pawns_table 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 5 3 1 0 0 0 0 11 11 7 3 0 0 0 0 17 16 11 5 0 0 0 0 20 20 13 5 0 0 0 0 0 15 10 4 0 0 0 0 12 11 6 2 0 0 0 0 7 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0paneltyfiles 0 0 10 25 45 60 80 100progress 2 3 5 0Doublepawnpanelty 20opposite_color_bishops 44bigpositional_opening 105 bigpositional_endgame 95 big_bonus 160bigadvantage 200old_mobility_table  -92  -86  -80  -74  -68  -62  -56  -50  -44  -38  -32  -26  -20  -14  -8  -2 4 10  15  20  25  30  34  38  42  46  49  52  55  58  60  62  64  66  68  70  72 74  76  78  80  82  84  86  88  90  92  94  96  98  100  102  104  106  108  110 112  114  116  118  120  122  124  126  128  130  132  134  136  138  140  142 144  146  148  150  152  154  156  158  160  162  164  166  168  170  172  174  176  178  180  182  184  186  188  190  192  194  196  198  200  202  204  206  208  210  212  214  216  218  220  222  224  226  228  230  232  234  236  238  240  242  244  246  248  250  252  254  256  258  260  262  264  266  268  270  272  274  276  278  280  282  284  286  288  290  292  294  296  298  300  302  304  306  308  310  312  314  316  318  320  322  324  326  328  330  332  334  336  338  340  342  344  346  348  350  352  354  356  358  360  362  364  366  368  370  372  374  376  378  380  382  384  386  388  390  392  394  396  398  400  402  404  406  408  410  412  414  416  418  420  422  424  426  428  430  432  434  436  438 440 442 444 446 448 450 452 454 456 458 460 462 464 466 468 470 472 474 476 478 480 483 484 486 488 490 492 494 496 498 500 502 504 506 508open_file_number 10rook_behind_passed_pawn 20prefer_pawns_in_end_games 1capture_bonus1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97  98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 
The file that you give is the magic number file.

If you use movei as winboard engine then you need to create a special changes file with the name movei_changes403.ini and write progress 10 10 10 0 in your file

Note that I expect more than 20 elo improvement based on my tests but I did not play enough games to know.

It is possible that higher values than 10 are even better but I did not test it.

I believe that the first number is the most important number out of these numbers so if testers are interested they can also try progress 20 10 10 and report results to me.

Uri
The one I posted above is my changes.config. Only thing that I wanted to change was the hashsize, but since you had made a lot of changes I didnt know weather or not the engine followed the default values, so I just copied the above from a previous version and made the movei_changes403.

Tony Thomas

Re: Sjeng 2.5 is a waste of money

Post by Tony Thomas » Mon May 07, 2007 2:54 am

Michael Sherwin wrote:
I havent tested 10 10 10 personality, I have been busy lately with school and Romichess etc.
Hey Dr. Wael Deeb, time for your digit thumping kitty! Tony is taking way to long this time. Must be bad news and Tony is just stalling to keep from having to deliver it! :P
I still dont have enough games to make any conclusions..Also I have had not so productive few days.



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    Program                          Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws

  1 ChessTiger2007UCI              : 2772   47  45   300    87.7 %   2431   18.0 %
  2 Naum 2.0                       : 2668   37  36   420    80.7 %   2420   16.2 %
  3 Zappa 1.1                      : 2517   27  27   600    67.8 %   2388   16.5 %
  4 Francesca MAD 0.13             : 2474   25  25   630    59.4 %   2408   19.4 %
  5 Arasan 9.5                     : 2473   25  25   630    59.2 %   2408   17.5 %
  6 RomiAlphaNG1                   : 2467   66  67    90    41.1 %   2530   17.8 %
  7 RomiChessDK6                   : 2447   30  30   420    53.9 %   2419   18.3 %
  8 RomiChessDK5                   : 2445   34  34   360    60.7 %   2369   15.8 %
  9 RomiBetaNG1                    : 2442   44  43   207    52.7 %   2424   16.4 %
 10 RomiChessDK3                   : 2417   33  33   360    57.4 %   2366   18.1 %
 11 Danasah 2.85                   : 2412   24  24   661    49.8 %   2413   21.0 %
 12 RomiChessDK4                   : 2411   30  30   420    56.7 %   2364   21.4 %
 13 Phalanx Reborn                 : 2400   25  25   630    48.3 %   2412   15.4 %
 14 RomiChessP3j                   : 2396   40  40   248    52.6 %   2378   14.9 %
 15 RomiChessDK2                   : 2391   33  33   360    53.6 %   2366   16.1 %
 16 Delphil 1.6c                   : 2381   24  24   637    45.2 %   2415   20.7 %
 17 Horizon_4_3_173                : 2370   30  30   450    45.3 %   2402   14.2 %
 18 Djinn 0.925x                   : 2354   26  26   570    46.0 %   2382   15.8 %
 19 Horizon_4_3_175                : 2345   33  33   360    46.0 %   2373   18.1 %
 20 NanoSzachy 2.7                 : 2332   26  26   597    40.4 %   2399   15.4 %
 21 Horizon 4.3                    : 2329   30  30   420    43.1 %   2377   18.6 %
 22 Zeus 1.28                      : 2328   27  27   540    42.2 %   2382   19.3 %
 23 GreKo 5.2                      : 2244   27  27   630    28.6 %   2403   15.6 %
 24 Lime 6.3                       : 2150   31  32   690    17.0 

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9 RomiBetaNG1               : 2442  207 (+ 92,= 34,- 81), 52.7 %

Danasah 2.85                  :  30 (+ 15,=  4,- 11), 56.7 %
Delphil 1.6c                  :  30 (+ 15,=  7,-  8), 61.7 %
Lime 6.3                      :  30 (+ 22,=  4,-  4), 80.0 %
GreKo 5.2                     :  30 (+ 23,=  5,-  2), 85.0 %
NanoSzachy 2.7                :  27 (+ 13,=  4,- 10), 55.6 %
Naum 2.0                      :  30 (+  4,=  3,- 23), 18.3 %
ChessTiger2007UCI             :  30 (+  0,=  7,- 23), 11.7 %

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