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Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960

Post by pichy » Sun May 13, 2007 10:30 am

First Result of Chess960 both using progress 10 10 10, Ray should test this version in his FRC Rating list. I believe it could be rated equal to Pharaon 351 :roll:

PS: Dr. Wael please tell me now which side has a disadvantage, since both sides have a chance to play White and Black with the same starting position :lol:


Engine Score Mo Mo S-B
1: Movei00_8_418 21.0/40 ········································ 000=1110=10111=010001=010=1=001=0011111= 399.00
2: Movei00_8_403 19.0/40 111=0001=01000=101110=101=0=110=1100000= ········································ 399.00

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Sun May 13, 2007 10:36 am

A difficult question for Prof.Wael Deeb :P
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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960

Post by Uri Blass » Sun May 13, 2007 11:12 am

pichy wrote:First Result of Chess960 both using progress 10 10 10, Ray should test this version in his FRC Rating list. I believe it could be rated equal to Pharaon 351 :roll:

PS: Dr. Wael please tell me now which side has a disadvantage, since both sides have a chance to play White and Black with the same starting position :lol:


Engine Score Mo Mo S-B
1: Movei00_8_418 21.0/40 ········································ 000=1110=10111=010001=010=1=001=0011111= 399.00
2: Movei00_8_403 19.0/40 111=0001=01000=101110=101=0=110=1100000= ········································ 399.00

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:
In my tests 4 6 10 is better than 10 10 10 for 403

results are
50.5-49.5 for 4 6 10 at 400,000 nodes per move
54-46 for 4 6 10 at 5,000,000 nodes per move

These results prove nothing about sueriority of 4 6 10 and results may be thanks to luck but I decided that together with your results against different opponents I have enough evidence to decide that 4 6 10 is slightly better for 403 relative to 10 10 10.

Note that 4 6 10 was not tested at FRC so I do not know if it is really better at FRC relative to 10 10 10 but I see no reason to assume that things will be different at FRC relative to normal chess.

I decided to ask Ray to test 403 now for the following reasons:

1)I believe that 403 is a significant improvement relative to 383(more than 20 elo improvement)
2)I believe that newer versions are only slightly better(less than 20 elo improvement)
3)Even in case that they were significantly better I prefer first to know the rating of 403.

Note that I am not sure about 1 and 2 and I may be wrong.

Uri

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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960

Post by pichy » Sun May 13, 2007 11:26 am

Uri Blass wrote:
pichy wrote:First Result of Chess960 both using progress 10 10 10, Ray should test this version in his FRC Rating list. I believe it could be rated equal to Pharaon 351 :roll:

PS: Dr. Wael please tell me now which side has a disadvantage, since both sides have a chance to play White and Black with the same starting position :lol:


Engine Score Mo Mo S-B
1: Movei00_8_418 21.0/40 ········································ 000=1110=10111=010001=010=1=001=0011111= 399.00
2: Movei00_8_403 19.0/40 111=0001=01000=101110=101=0=110=1100000= ········································ 399.00

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:
In my tests 4 6 10 is better than 10 10 10 for 403

results are
50.5-49.5 for 4 6 10 at 400,000 nodes per move
54-46 for 4 6 10 at 5,000,000 nodes per move

These results prove nothing about sueriority of 4 6 10 and results may be thanks to luck but I decided that together with your results against different opponents I have enough evidence to decide that 4 6 10 is slightly better for 403 relative to 10 10 10.

Note that 4 6 10 was not tested at FRC so I do not know if it is really better at FRC relative to 10 10 10 but I see no reason to assume that things will be different at FRC relative to normal chess.

I decided to ask Ray to test 403 now for the following reasons:

1)I believe that 403 is a significant improvement relative to 383(more than 20 elo improvement)
2)I believe that newer versions are only slightly better(less than 20 elo improvement)
3)Even in case that they were significantly better I prefer first to know the rating of 403.

Note that I am not sure about 1 and 2 and I may be wrong.

Uri

I started testing Movei 403 progress 4 6 10 at Chess960 vs Pharaon 351 but I stoped the match after Pharaon won 5 games in a row, now I just started with Movei418 Progress 10 10 10 and the score is even so far :roll:

Engine Score Ph Mo
1: Pharaon 2.5/4 10=10
2: Movei00_8_418 2.5/4 01=01

5 of 40 games played
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Sun May 13, 2007 11:31 am

I am surprised why Daniel didn't start to flame you becuase you are doing a big sin right now.....
Discussing in public beta testing of a chess engine....mega,mega off topic,right Daniel :!: :?:

:P
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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960

Post by pichy » Sun May 13, 2007 2:08 pm

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:I am surprised why Daniel didn't start to flame you becuase you are doing a big sin right now.....
Discussing in public beta testing of a chess engine....mega,mega off topic,right Daniel :!: :?:

:P
SHH SHH SHH, Please Do NOT spoil the Fun :lol:

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Re: Movei00_8_403 vs Ufim802 so far 22 to 13

Post by pichy » Sun May 13, 2007 8:42 pm

Uri Blass wrote:
pichy wrote:First Result of Chess960 both using progress 10 10 10, Ray should test this version in his FRC Rating list. I believe it could be rated equal to Pharaon 351 :roll:

PS: Dr. Wael please tell me now which side has a disadvantage, since both sides have a chance to play White and Black with the same starting position :lol:


Engine Score Mo Mo S-B
1: Movei00_8_418 21.0/40 ········································ 000=1110=10111=010001=010=1=001=0011111= 399.00
2: Movei00_8_403 19.0/40 111=0001=01000=101110=101=0=110=1100000= ········································ 399.00

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:
In my tests 4 6 10 is better than 10 10 10 for 403

results are
50.5-49.5 for 4 6 10 at 400,000 nodes per move
54-46 for 4 6 10 at 5,000,000 nodes per move

These results prove nothing about sueriority of 4 6 10 and results may be thanks to luck but I decided that together with your results against different opponents I have enough evidence to decide that 4 6 10 is slightly better for 403 relative to 10 10 10.

Note that 4 6 10 was not tested at FRC so I do not know if it is really better at FRC relative to 10 10 10 but I see no reason to assume that things will be different at FRC relative to normal chess.

I decided to ask Ray to test 403 now for the following reasons:

1)I believe that 403 is a significant improvement relative to 383(more than 20 elo improvement)
2)I believe that newer versions are only slightly better(less than 20 elo improvement)
3)Even in case that they were significantly better I prefer first to know the rating of 403.

Note that I am not sure about 1 and 2 and I may be wrong.

Uri

Here is the first match of Movei 403 progress 10 10 10 vs Ufim 802 at Chess 960 :wink:

Engine Score Mo Uf S-B
1: Movei00_8_403 22.0/35 1110=0=01101111011==1011000110=11=1 286.00
2: Ufim802 13.0/35 0001=1=10010000100==0100111001=00=0 286.00

35 of 40 games played
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

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And here is the other match versus Pharaon so far: :wink:

Engine Score Ph Mo S-B
1: Pharaon 12.0/19 10=1==101101001111=? 84.00
2: Movei00_8_403 7.0/19 01=0==010010110000=? 84.00

19 of 40 games played
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960

Post by Uri Blass » Mon May 14, 2007 3:35 am

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:I am surprised why Daniel didn't start to flame you becuase you are doing a big sin right now.....
Discussing in public beta testing of a chess engine....mega,mega off topic,right Daniel :!: :?:

:P
I do not think that this is off topic.
people have the right to discuss it.

I already sent him newer version of movei that is hopefully slightly stronger.

Uri

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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960

Post by Tony Thomas » Mon May 14, 2007 3:40 am

Uri Blass wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:I am surprised why Daniel didn't start to flame you becuase you are doing a big sin right now.....
Discussing in public beta testing of a chess engine....mega,mega off topic,right Daniel :!: :?:

:P
I do not think that this is off topic.
people have the right to discuss it.

I already sent him newer version of movei that is hopefully slightly stronger.

Uri
May be you didnt understand Wael's joke.

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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Mon May 14, 2007 12:08 pm

Uri Blass wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:I am surprised why Daniel didn't start to flame you becuase you are doing a big sin right now.....
Discussing in public beta testing of a chess engine....mega,mega off topic,right Daniel :!: :?:

:P
I do not think that this is off topic.
people have the right to discuss it.

I already sent him newer version of movei that is hopefully slightly stronger.

Uri
Hi Uri,
In fact I am joking because when we discussed with Tony once a beta version of RomiChess,we were beatin'up by Daniel because these things must be discussed by e-mail and not here according to him,which is a stuiped point of view to say the least....

:D
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