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pichy
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Re: Movei00_8_421 with Candidatefactor 3 so far is stronger

Post by pichy » Thu May 17, 2007 3:36 am

Uri Blass wrote:
pichy wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
pichy wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
pichy wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:result is impressive but unfortunately my result against fruit2.0 is not so impressive and 421 with the same personality lost against fruit2.0 at 1+1

result after 99 games was 53.5-45.5 for fruit2.0
Movei 421 probably does NOT score so great versus Fruit 2.0 and Slow Chess Blitz Wv 2.1 :(

Engine Score Sl Mo S-B
1: Slow 24.0/40 ········································ =000=1=11=10==11=0=0===0111=11=10101=111 384.00
2: Movei00_8_421 16.0/40 =111=0=00=01==00=1=1===1000=00=01010=000 ········································ 384.00

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 10/0
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
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Thanks

Maybe your 4 6 10 personality can score better.
In my tests in 1+1 time control it scored better than the default against fruit2.0 after 30 games.

result after 30 games was 18-12 for movei
For comparison fruit2.0 was leading 15.5-14.5 after the same 15 positions against the default personality.

Note that the default here is not exactly the default but the personality with candidatefactore=3 and other changes.
final result at 1+1 was 50.5-49.5 for fruit2.0
(better than 53.5-45.5 that I had in previous match)

Uri

Can you make two different personalities one with progress 10 10 10 and the other for progress 4 6 10 and incorporate it with your candidatefactor. For instance personality with progress 10 10 10 would be candidatefactor 3 and personality with progress 4 6 10 would be candidatefactor 2 etc..

I really don't know what personality you have included with candidatefactor 3 but it is NOT the strongest versus Fruit 2.0 or Slowchess Blitz V 2.1

Here is the latest test against Fruit 2.0 which confirm what you stated before that candidatefactor 3 is NOT the strongest:

Engine Score Fr Mo S-B
1: Fruit20 24.5/38 ········································ 11=1=101=01111011011111====11=0=101000 330.75
2: Movei00_8_421 13.5/38 00=0=010=10000100100000====00=1=010111 ········································ 330.75

38 of 50 games played
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
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final result at 1+1 was 50.5-49.5 for fruit2.0
(better than 53.5-45.5 that I had in previous match)

Uri
I am not sure what you mean.

I used candidatefactor 3 together with the changes in pawn values that I sent you and together with progress 4 6 10 that I did not send you in my last test when movei lost 50.5-49.5 against fruit2.0.

I did not use progress 4 6 10 in the match that movei lost more heavily against fruit2.0
In all my tests against fruit2.0 I used candidatefactor 3 and
the same pawn_square_table that you tested:
1000 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1000 130 130 130 130 130 130 130 130 115 115 115 115 115 115 115 115 100 100 100 105 105 100 100 100 90 92 95 100 100 95 92 90 90 91 92 85 85 92 91 90 91 90 90 70 70 90 90 91 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0


I used movei as uci engine so I could use personality of progress 4 6 10
another possibility is to add progress 4 6 10 0 in the changes file and to use movei as winboard engine.


I tried to do just that, and it did NOT accepted my personality changes as winboard engines. Tell me what I did wrong.


This is how my configuration settings look now, but it doesn't work as a winboard engine :?

Movei_changes421

progress 4 6 10 0
1000 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1000 130 130 130 130 130 130 130 130 115 115 115 115 115 115 115 115 100 100 100 105 105 100 100 100 90 92 95 100 100 95 92 90 90 91 92 85 85 92 91 90 91 90 90 70 70 90 90 91 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
The reason is that you do not have the expression
"pawn_square_table" in the right place before the numbers of the table.

If you do not like candidatefactor 3 then
you can use it with

progress 4 6 10 0
pawn_square_table 1000 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1000 130 130 130 130 130 130 130 130 115 115 115 115 115 115 115 115 100 100 100 105 105 100 100 100 90 92 95 100 100 95 92 90 90 91 92 85 85 92 91 90 91 90 90 70 70 90 90 91 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0


I use

pawn_square_table 1000 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1010 1000 130 130 130 130 130 130 130 130 115 115 115 115 115 115 115 115 100 100 100 105 105 100 100 100 90 92 95 100 100 95 92 90 90 91 92 85 85 92 91 90 91 90 90 70 70 90 90 91 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
candidatefactor 3 progress 4 6 10 0
I started using the last configuration with progress 4 6 10 0 and Movei421 lost 18.0 to 22.0 :(


Engine Score Fr Mo S-B
1: Fruit 20 22.0/40 ········································ 101=0110=10111=010001=010=1=001=0011111= 399.00
2: Movei00_8_421 18.0/40 010=1001=01000=101110=101=0=110=1100000= ········································ 399.00

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:


I just restarted using progress 10 10 10 0 and now the score is 3.0 to 3.0 so far :D

pichy
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Re: Results for Movei421 progress 10 10 10 and 4 6 10

Post by pichy » Thu May 17, 2007 10:09 pm

I started using the last configuration with progress 4 6 10 0 and Movei421 lost 18.0 to 22.0


Engine Score Fr Mo S-B
1: Fruit 20 22.0/40 ········································ 101=0110=10111=010001=010=1=001=0011111= 399.00
2: Movei00_8_421 18.0/40 010=1001=01000=101110=101=0=110=1100000= ········································ 399.00

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:


Here is the result for Movei421 progress 10 10 10
Engine Score Fr Mo S-B
1: Fruit20 28.0/50 ·················································· 0110=11==11010101=0100101=01010=1=0==10=11==1=0=11 576.00
2: Movei00_8_421 22.0/50 1001=00==00101010=1011010=10101=0=1==01=00==0=1=00 ·················································· 576.00

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

pichy
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Re: Uri, now I know why you are getting such good results

Post by pichy » Fri May 18, 2007 1:26 am

I have done several tests at time control of Blitz 5/1 and 10/1. but I never tried to match Movei versus Fruit at Blitz 2/1 which is almost the same time control as Uri computer at 1/1. I started this new match with Progress 10 10 10 and to my surprise the score is dead even after 24 games out of a match of 50 games :shock:

PS: Uri, now I know why you are getting such good results, because Movei is one of the best Blitzer at faster time control, but what are your results in matches of 5/1 time control :?:

Engine Score Mo Fr S-B
1: Movei00_8_421 12.0/24 ························ 0===101=0100=0=011=1==1= 144.00
1: Fruit20 12.0/24 1===010=1011=1=100=0==0= ························ 144.00

24 of 50 games played
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 2/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:




I started using the last configuration with progress 4 6 10 0 and Movei421 lost 18.0 to 22.0


Engine Score Fr Mo S-B
1: Fruit 20 22.0/40 ········································ 101=0110=10111=010001=010=1=001=0011111= 399.00
2: Movei00_8_421 18.0/40 010=1001=01000=101110=101=0=110=1100000= ········································ 399.00

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:


Here is the result for Movei421 progress 10 10 10
Engine Score Fr Mo S-B
1: Fruit20 28.0/50 ·················································· 0110=11==11010101=0100101=01010=1=0==10=11==1=0=11 576.00
2: Movei00_8_421 22.0/50 1001=00==00101010=1011010=10101=0=1==01=00==0=1=00 ·················································· 576.00

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:[/quote]

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Re: Movei421 vs Fruit20 ended 25.5 to 24.5

Post by pichy » Fri May 18, 2007 7:37 am

Movei421 with progress 10 10 10 at 2/1 time control plays better than with 5/1 and 10/1 time control :shock:

Engine Score Mo Fr S-B
1: Movei00_8_421 25.5/50 ·················································· 0===101=0100=0=011=1==1=00=01011=00==1=11001101101 624.75
2: Fruit20 24.5/50 1===010=1011=1=100=0==0=11=10100=11==0=00110010010 ·················································· 624.75

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 2/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

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Re: Uri, now I know why you are getting such good results

Post by Uri Blass » Fri May 18, 2007 8:30 am

pichy wrote:I have done several tests at time control of Blitz 5/1 and 10/1. but I never tried to match Movei versus Fruit at Blitz 2/1 which is almost the same time control as Uri computer at 1/1. I started this new match with Progress 10 10 10 and to my surprise the score is dead even after 24 games out of a match of 50 games :shock:

PS: Uri, now I know why you are getting such good results, because Movei is one of the best Blitzer at faster time control, but what are your results in matches of 5/1 time control :?:

Engine Score Mo Fr S-B
1: Movei00_8_421 12.0/24 ························ 0===101=0100=0=011=1==1= 144.00
1: Fruit20 12.0/24 1===010=1011=1=100=0==0= ························ 144.00

24 of 50 games played
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 2/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:




I started using the last configuration with progress 4 6 10 0 and Movei421 lost 18.0 to 22.0


Engine Score Fr Mo S-B
1: Fruit 20 22.0/40 ········································ 101=0110=10111=010001=010=1=001=0011111= 399.00
2: Movei00_8_421 18.0/40 010=1001=01000=101110=101=0=110=1100000= ········································ 399.00

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:


Here is the result for Movei421 progress 10 10 10
Engine Score Fr Mo S-B
1: Fruit20 28.0/50 ·················································· 0110=11==11010101=0100101=01010=1=0==10=11==1=0=11 576.00
2: Movei00_8_421 22.0/50 1001=00==00101010=1011010=10101=0=1==01=00==0=1=00 ·················································· 576.00

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:
[/quote]

I think difference in results can be based on luck.
I do not believe that there are significant difference between blitz results
and slightly longer time control.

Uri

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Re: Movei421 vs Fruit20 ended 25.5 to 24.5

Post by pichy » Fri May 18, 2007 10:16 pm

pichy wrote:Movei421 with progress 10 10 10 at 2/1 time control plays better than with 5/1 and 10/1 time control :shock:

Engine Score Mo Fr S-B
1: Movei00_8_421 25.5/50 ·················································· 0===101=0100=0=011=1==1=00=01011=00==1=11001101101 624.75
2: Fruit20 24.5/50 1===010=1011=1=100=0==0=11=10100=11==0=00110010010 ·················································· 624.75

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 2/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Movei with progress 4 6 10 ended 24 to 26 versus Fruit 20

Engine Score Fr Mo S-B
1: Fruit20 26.0/50 ·················································· 0===11=0=110==00=01101=10=0=0==1010=111==101001==1 624.00
2: Movei00_8_421 24.0/50 1===00=1=001==11=10010=01=1=1==0101=000==010110==0 ·················································· 624.00

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 2/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

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Re: Movei421 vs Fruit20 ended 25.5 to 24.5

Post by Uri Blass » Fri May 18, 2007 10:45 pm

pichy wrote:
pichy wrote:Movei421 with progress 10 10 10 at 2/1 time control plays better than with 5/1 and 10/1 time control :shock:

Engine Score Mo Fr S-B
1: Movei00_8_421 25.5/50 ·················································· 0===101=0100=0=011=1==1=00=01011=00==1=11001101101 624.75
2: Fruit20 24.5/50 1===010=1011=1=100=0==0=11=10100=11==0=00110010010 ·················································· 624.75

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 2/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Movei with progress 4 6 10 ended 24 to 26 versus Fruit 20

Engine Score Fr Mo S-B
1: Fruit20 26.0/50 ·················································· 0===11=0=110==00=01101=10=0=0==1010=111==101001==1 624.00
2: Movei00_8_421 24.0/50 1===00=1=001==11=10010=01=1=1==0101=000==010110==0 ·················································· 624.00

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 2/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:
Here are results of another tournament of 4 6 10 personality

http://wbforum.vpittlik.org/viewtopic.php?t=6398

1: Movei 00.8.421 49.5 / 80
2: Movei 00.8.403 34.0 / 80
3: Ruffian 1.0.1 17.5 / 32
4: SOS 5.1 for Arena UCI 17.0 / 32
5: Pharaon 3.5.1 14.0 / 32
6: Aristarch 4.50 12.0 / 32

time control 10+3
part of the games were played with celeron 2.6 ghz and part of the games with celeron 1ghz.

Uri

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