SSDF results on a Quad 6600

[Norm Pollock]

You can have races between riders on motorcycles against riders on bicycles, and you can compile stats and stats about the results. But what does it mean? Nil because it is apples against oranges.

[playjunior]

When you integrate new engines to a list, then you have to use few engines to measure comparative strength. Otherwise, you will end up with an independently hanging list that has no correlation to the previous one.

Somehow I don't like games where one engine has an enormous advantage at the start. That is the case when one engine is playing on an A1200, and the other is playing on a Q6600. Why integrate the list? Just close the old list, and start a new list for the Q6600. Mixing them up is very questionable, imho.

One engine has an enormous advantage at the start also when the same hardware is used if one engine is called rybka and another engine is called Deep Fritz8.

Why mix rybka and non rybka in the same list?
Tell the ssdf to have one list for rybka engines and another list for weaker engines.

Note that I have no problem with having different hardware in the same list but if you have problems with it then you can also have
problems with different softwares because better software can also give enormous advantage.

Uri

A tiny drawback of such a reasoning is that they conduct a software rating list, so comparing different software does make sense. That's the purpose of the rating list.

However, to address Norm's comment-I suspect they have done so because they want a reliable list of QUAD computers to be created in minimal time. If they used only QUAD-QUAD games, it would take much, much longer to have same(or comparable) confidence levels.
They have very precise single processor list, and not using it is economically not justified

[Tony Thomas]

You can have races between riders on motorcycles against riders on bicycles, and you can compile stats and stats about the results. But what does it mean? Nil because it is apples against oranges.

If all the guys on the bicycle are clones of Lance Armstrong on steroid(he was doping, but that's another subject), then the Bikers would suffer. Using the time control they use now(40/120 ponder on), by the time they create a list of your liking there will be new versions of most engines. As you can see, they are playing quad vs quad as well. When I want to test a bunch of brand new engines (say about 20) and integrate them to my rating list, I usually add about 4-7 engines that already have an established rating. Otherwise when I compile a rating list, if one of those engines score about 98%, it will have an inflated rating that it almost defeats the purpose of having a rating list. Ofcourse, I do move the engine to another division if it scores ridiculously high.

[Vinvin]

I made a search in the forum on : "q6600 ended"

Here are the results I found :

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Shredder 8 MP Q6600 - Fritz 9 A1200,            ended 26-14
Deep Fritz 8 Q6600-Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600       ended 17-23
Shredder 8 MP Q6600-Zap!Chess Zanzibar A1200    ended 25-15
Hiarcs 11.2 MP Q6600-Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600     ended 22-18
Shredder 8 MP Q6600 - Hiarcs 10 A1200           ended 28½-11½
Shredder 8 MP Q6600 - Junior 10.1 A1200         ended 22 - 18
Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600 - Fritz 9 A1200          ended 27½-12½
Deep Shredder 11 Q6600-Zappa Mexico II Q6600    ended 17½-22½
Deep Shredder 11 Q6600-Hiarcs 11.1 A1200        ended 30.5-9.5
Deep Shredder 11 Q6600-Shredder 8 MP Q6600      ended 27-13
Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600 - Hiarcs 11.1 A1200      ended 28-12
Deep Shredder 11 x64 Q6600 - Junior 10.1 A1200  ended 32-8
Deep Shredder11x64 Q6600 - Rybka 2.3.1 A1200    ended 29.5-10.5
Deep Shredder 11 Q6600-Hiarcs 11.2 MP Q6600     ended 21-19
Hiarcs 11.2 MP Q6600 - Shredder 10 A1200        ended 32-10
Deep Fritz 8 Q6600 - Junior 10.1 A1200          ended 21½-20½
Deep Shredder 11 Q6600-Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600   ended 24-16
Hiarcs 11.2 MP Q6600 - Junior 10.1 A1200        ended 29½-14½
Shredder 11 x64 Q6600-Deep Fritz 8 Q6600        ended 29-11
Deep Fritz 8 Q6600 - Shredder 10 A1200          ended 28½-11½
Deep Fritz 8 Q6600-Hiarcs 11.1 A1200            ended 20½-19½

New results :

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Hiarcs 11.2 MP Q6600 - Fritz 9 A1200             ended 32-10
Deep Shredder 11 Q6600-Deep Hiarcs 12 Q6600      ended 22½-17½
Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600 - Shredder 10 A1200       ended 29½-12½
Zappa Mexico II Q6600 - Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600   ended 25-15
Zappa Mexico II Q6600 - Hiarcs 11.1 A1200  2869    ended 28-12
Zappa Mexico II Q6600 - Junior 10.1 A1200  2861    ended 32-8
Zappa Mexico II Q6600 - Fritz 9 A1200      2803    ended 32.5-7.5
Zappa Mexico II Q6600 - Shredder 10 A1200  2824    ended 35-11
Zappa Mexico II Q6600 - Rybka 2.3.1 A1200  2935    ended 28-12

New rating for engine with > 100 games :

Zappa Mexico II : Perf = 3131 !!

[PauloSoare]

I read that the SSDF list for A1200 is based on games
against humans. Perhaps that is the reason.

Paulo Soares

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

I made a search in the forum on : "q6600 ended"

Here are the results I found :

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Shredder 8 MP Q6600 - Fritz 9 A1200,            ended 26-14
Deep Fritz 8 Q6600-Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600       ended 17-23
Shredder 8 MP Q6600-Zap!Chess Zanzibar A1200    ended 25-15
Hiarcs 11.2 MP Q6600-Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600     ended 22-18
Shredder 8 MP Q6600 - Hiarcs 10 A1200           ended 28½-11½
Shredder 8 MP Q6600 - Junior 10.1 A1200         ended 22 - 18
Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600 - Fritz 9 A1200          ended 27½-12½
Deep Shredder 11 Q6600-Zappa Mexico II Q6600    ended 17½-22½
Deep Shredder 11 Q6600-Hiarcs 11.1 A1200        ended 30.5-9.5
Deep Shredder 11 Q6600-Shredder 8 MP Q6600      ended 27-13
Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600 - Hiarcs 11.1 A1200      ended 28-12
Deep Shredder 11 x64 Q6600 - Junior 10.1 A1200  ended 32-8
Deep Shredder11x64 Q6600 - Rybka 2.3.1 A1200    ended 29.5-10.5
Deep Shredder 11 Q6600-Hiarcs 11.2 MP Q6600     ended 21-19
Hiarcs 11.2 MP Q6600 - Shredder 10 A1200        ended 32-10
Deep Fritz 8 Q6600 - Junior 10.1 A1200          ended 21½-20½
Deep Shredder 11 Q6600-Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600   ended 24-16
Hiarcs 11.2 MP Q6600 - Junior 10.1 A1200        ended 29½-14½
Shredder 11 x64 Q6600-Deep Fritz 8 Q6600        ended 29-11
Deep Fritz 8 Q6600 - Shredder 10 A1200          ended 28½-11½
Deep Fritz 8 Q6600-Hiarcs 11.1 A1200            ended 20½-19½

New results :

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Hiarcs 11.2 MP Q6600 - Fritz 9 A1200             ended 32-10
Deep Shredder 11 Q6600-Deep Hiarcs 12 Q6600      ended 22½-17½
Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600 - Shredder 10 A1200       ended 29½-12½
Zappa Mexico II Q6600 - Deep Junior 10.1 Q6600   ended 25-15
Zappa Mexico II Q6600 - Hiarcs 11.1 A1200  2869    ended 28-12
Zappa Mexico II Q6600 - Junior 10.1 A1200  2861    ended 32-8
Zappa Mexico II Q6600 - Fritz 9 A1200      2803    ended 32.5-7.5
Zappa Mexico II Q6600 - Shredder 10 A1200  2824    ended 35-11
Zappa Mexico II Q6600 - Rybka 2.3.1 A1200  2935    ended 28-12

New rating for engine with > 100 games :

Zappa Mexico II : Perf = 3131 !!

Thanks for the results....
Just a little thought,could it be that having a quad system at your home to have a player realy that strong,I mean to play around 3100-3150
I know that this is a relative number,it depends on the pool,but after all,comparing to the human rating list of the top players,could it be that this Elo is near the truth anyway
My answer is no I guess....

[icander]

Where are all the pgn's for us to download?
Thanks
Bill

http://home.interact.se/~w100107/welcome.htm

[Bill Rogers]

Thank you very much Tony. You supplied me with much more information than I had originally asked for. Tons of info for the taking.
Bill

[Vinvin]

Where are all the pgn's for us to download?
Thanks
Bill

http://home.interact.se/~w100107/welcome.htm

Latest games are not there

[Matthias Gemuh]

Apples against oranges. Q6600 against A1200.

No !! The SSDF guys do know that it is not "apples against oranges".
It is at most big apples against small apples.

They simply lack enough Q6600 machines. A donation would reduce the chances of seeing "apples against oranges".

Matthias.