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Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance!

Post by Tomcass » Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:54 pm

My first 'quick and dirty' test with Naum 4.

Game in 10 minutes each engine.
Gui: Fritz 10
Ponder : Off
Naum4 Opening book: Perfect 14
All engines: Own book. (Toga with Deep Fritz 10 book)
Computer: Quad 6700.

Naum4(x4)-1 2008

Naum 4(x4) - Rybka 3 32-bit (x4) 13.5 - 6.5 +8/-1/=11 67.50%
Naum 4(x4) - Deep Fritz 10 18.5 - 1.5 +17/-0/=3 92.50%
Naum 4(x4) - Deep Hiarcs 12 15.5 - 4.5 +11/-0/=9 77.50%
Naum 4(x4) - Toga II 1.4.1SE6 (x4) 17.0 - 3.0 +15/-1/=4 85.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Zappa Mexico (x4) 15.5 - 4.5 +12/-1/=7 77.50%

No comment. How I have enjoyed the wonderful performance of Naum4 (x4) with Perfect 14!

63 wins + 34 draws + 3 losses. (80% and only 3 losses in 100 games (!!) against such powerful rivals, including Rybka 3.)

I don't know if I have done something wrong (probably) in my test, but I have seen directly about one third of the games and I feel Naum 4 (+ Perfect14) really impressive. Rybka was totally unable to keep Naum 4(x4) strength.

Simply amazing!. I am going to repeat same test with 25 minutes/game.

Regards from Barcelona.

Tom.

(In the mid game Naum NPS average (roughly): 3.600.000, Deep Fritz 10: 7.500.000 and Rybka: 160.000)

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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance

Post by Damir » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:19 pm

Can you post the games?

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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance

Post by George Tsavdaris » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:42 pm

Tomcass wrote:My first 'quick and dirty' test with Naum 4.
Naum 4(x4) - Rybka 3 32-bit (x4) 13.5 - 6.5 +8/-1/=11 67.50%
Naum 4(x4) - Deep Fritz 10 18.5 - 1.5 +17/-0/=3 92.50%
Naum 4(x4) - Deep Hiarcs 12 15.5 - 4.5 +11/-0/=9 77.50%
Naum 4(x4) - Toga II 1.4.1SE6 (x4) 17.0 - 3.0 +15/-1/=4 85.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Zappa Mexico (x4) 15.5 - 4.5 +12/-1/=7 77.50%
•1)Can you post all the games, or even better to provide a PGN for download?

•2)Had Deep Hiarcs 12 and Deep Fritz 10 used 4 cores(CPUs) or one?

•3)Was Naum 4 64 bit or 32 bit?

•4)Perhaps i'm wrong but i would bet that something in your configuration/settings was wrong so that is the reason for the very lopsided results.
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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance

Post by Tomcass » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:52 pm

1.- With pleasure... but I have no idea of how to do it. Any help please?. (Is it ok for the admin that I post 100 games?. Lots of space for 10 min games).

2.- Yes. Both playing with 4 CPUs.

3.- All programmes 32 bits.

4.- So I think. I will try to discover why.

Thanks for your interest.

Tom.

... by the way, I am testing again the same engines at 25 min. game and all engines with Perfect 14 books. Only 3 games played ... but:

Naum4(x4)-2 2008

Naum 4(x4) - Deep Fritz 10 1.0 - 0.0 +1/-0/=0 100.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Deep Hiarcs 12 0.5 - 0.5 +0/-0/=1 50.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Rybka 3 32-bit (x4) 1.0 - 0.0 +1/-0/=0 100.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Toga II 1.4.1SE6 0.0 - 0.0 +0/-0/=0 0.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Zappa Mexico II 0.0 - 0.0 +0/-0/=0 0.00%

Similar start than in the previous test!.

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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance

Post by Jouni » Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:09 pm

Perfect 14 book is made from Rybka3 wins in comp-comp games. No wonder with high scores. Use Perfect 15 and get still better scores!

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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:36 pm

Jouni wrote:Perfect 14 book is made from Rybka3 wins in comp-comp games.

Jouni
Hello Jouni,

No...The Perfect 14 book is made not only from Rybka 3 wins,the book also includes many games played by Zappa,Naum,Hiarcs...

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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance

Post by George Tsavdaris » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:00 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Jouni wrote:Perfect 14 book is made from Rybka3 wins in comp-comp games.

Jouni
Hello Jouni,

No...The Perfect 14 book is made not only from Rybka 3 wins,the book also includes many games played by Zappa,Naum,Hiarcs...
Is Perfect 15 a better book than Perfect 14?

Also does Perfect 14 contains any good lines that are not on Perfect 15? Or Perfect 15 contains all good lines of Perfect 14 and much more?
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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:09 pm

Is Perfect 15 a better book than Perfect 14?
Perfect 15 is improved about 50 Elo points stronger than Perfect 14 book

Or Perfect 15 contains all good lines of Perfect 14 and much more?
Yes,the Perfect 15 book contains much more newer and stronger lines

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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:25 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:Is Perfect 15 a better book than Perfect 14?
Perfect 15 is improved about 50 Elo points stronger than Perfect 14 book

Or Perfect 15 contains all good lines of Perfect 14 and much more?
Yes,the Perfect 15 book contains much more newer and stronger lines

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Thanks Sedat,keep up the good work :D
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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:51 pm

Hello Dr.Wael,

BIG thanks for your interest,my dear friend !

As you know currently i am running only book tournaments and working on Rybka3 Benchmarks

About Perfect 16th edition...right now i am in fear of releasing newer book,as you know, exactly the same attacking guy will be born again :)

By the way,i will be very glad to test your book in SCCT IV book tournament,of course if you have any newer ctg book version ?!

I wish you all the best,
Sedat

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