60m+15s ; 15cpu ; ponder ON

[Ozymandias]

Nice to see Shredder back in the game! It wasn't really that long ago when Shredder would shred all comers (has it been that long !!!!). With Houdini also in the mix and a lot of newcomers ... maybe the new Fritz (which seems to be running a new Rybka) ... a new exciting age for computer chess engines ??

I think we will see strong chess engines like Stockfish 8, Komodo 10.2, Houdini 5, Shredder (13/Nova), Fire 5, Deep Fritz 16 , Hiarcs 15, Crafty 25.1 etc. within the next 2 months. It's really very exciting

Out of all those, the only one that seems able to score wins against the top 2, is H5. I find little excitement in engines that give different move choices and end up drawing their games, at best.

[APassionForCriminalJustic]

Nice to see Shredder back in the game! It wasn't really that long ago when Shredder would shred all comers (has it been that long !!!!). With Houdini also in the mix and a lot of newcomers ... maybe the new Fritz (which seems to be running a new Rybka) ... a new exciting age for computer chess engines ??

I think we will see strong chess engines like Stockfish 8, Komodo 10.2, Houdini 5, Shredder (13/Nova), Fire 5, Deep Fritz 16 , Hiarcs 15, Crafty 25.1 etc. within the next 2 months. It's really very exciting

Out of all those, the only one that seems able to score wins against the top 2, is H5. I find little excitement in engines that give different move choices and end up drawing their games, at best.

Yes exactly. Hiarcs 15 will be weak. Shredder looks okay; Fire 5 is boring to watch at TCEC. Fritz 16 might be decent. And crafty - no thank you. The only real special release to look forward to is Houdini 5. It's difficult to care about commercial engines these days since they are all regression in Elo when compared to Stockfish.

[mehmet karaman]

I don't think Hiarcs 15 is weak.
Hiarcs 14 has an elo grade of 3064 (CCRL 40/40) and I think Hiarcs 15 elo has +100 more elo higher than Hiarcs 14

Marck Uniacke said,
"Hiarcs experimental engine versions are hugely stronger than any previous Hiarcs so you can be assured it will be a very big jump in strength. The release however is still sometime away and we want it to be available with HCE v2 so you still have some time to wait. I doubt it will be available until after the Spring."

http://www.hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic. ... 8&start=30

[yurikvelo]

I don't think Hiarcs 15 is weak.
Hiarcs 14 has an elo grade of 3064 (CCRL 40/40)

http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/40 ... iarcs%2014

CCRL has no games of Hiarcs 14 vs non-obsolete engines

H14 was -200...250 elo below Houdini 3 and Komodo 5, 100 elo below SF-3

[Ozymandias]

Marck Uniacke said,
"Hiarcs experimental engine versions are hugely stronger than any previous Hiarcs so you can be assured it will be a very big jump in strength. The release however is still sometime away and we want it to be available with HCE v2 so you still have some time to wait. I doubt it will be available until after the Spring."

Notice that you're quoting a 7 month old post, no new info in the meantime. That doesn't inspire much confidence.

[mehmet karaman]

I don't think Hiarcs 15 is weak.
Hiarcs 14 has an elo grade of 3064 (CCRL 40/40)

http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/40 ... iarcs%2014

CCRL has no games of Hiarcs 14 vs non-obsolete engines

H14 was -200...250 elo below Houdini 3 and Komodo 5, 100 elo below SF-3

According to SSDF rating list (40/120) Hiarcs 14 was 52 elo below Komodo 5. 1 and 16 elo below Stockfish 3.
http://ssdf.bosjo.net/list.htm

Hiarcs 14 performance is more better at long time controls.

I think Hiarcs 15 (I expect +100 elo) can't compete with Stockfish, Houdini, Komodo but it can compete with Shredder, Fire, Gull...

[Ozymandias]

According to SSDF rating list (40/120) Hiarcs 14 was 52 elo below Komodo 5. 1 and 16 elo below Stockfish 3.
http://ssdf.bosjo.net/list.htm

Hairs 14 performance is more better at long time controls.

It's not the TC, it's the book.

[mehmet karaman]

According to SSDF rating list (40/120) Hiarcs 14 was 52 elo below Komodo 5. 1 and 16 elo below Stockfish 3.
http://ssdf.bosjo.net/list.htm

Hairs 14 performance is more better at long time controls.

It's not the TC, it's the book.

I don't think so.

Hiarcs.ctg books are very strong but in SSDF tournament they use only free abk books.

"I have contacted the SSDF site and they informed me that the GUI they use for testing is Arena, and therefore the formats accepted are .abk "and .bin "
"Please note that Lars informed me that in order to use an opening book in their test, that book need to be public and not private"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... yQgChxIxIw

I don't think Hiarcs free abk book is as strong as Hiarcs.ctg books.
http://www.hiarcs.com/chess-opening-book-free.htm

[Ozymandias]

I don't think Hiarcs free abk book is as strong as Hiarcs.ctg books.
http://www.hiarcs.com/chess-opening-book-free.htm

Neither do I, but it's likely they're using the HCS version of the commercial book, which is accessed directly by the engine.

[mehmet karaman]

60'+15'' (15 cores)
Shredder 160625 64 bit x15 31/54
Houdini 4 Pro x64 x11 23/54

30'+15'' (11 cores)
Shredder 160625 64 bit x11 33.5/52
Houdini 4 Pro x64 x11 25.5/52

Shredder 160625 finished this two tournaments 8 points ahead of Houdini 4

Shredder 12 is 226 elo points below Houdini 4 (CCRL 40/40, 4 cores)
Shredder 12 is 322 elo points below Houdini 4 (CEGT 40/20, 4 cores)

Shredder 12 was released at 2010 February but Stefan Meyer Kahlen started the rewrite at 2015 January.

The performance of Shredder is really wonderful