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Jouni
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CCCC is running

Post by Jouni » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:01 am

https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship

• Time controls: Rapid (15m + 5s)
• Ponder: On
• 46 threads per engine
• 8192 MB hash

Does this make TCEC now obsolete!? I think display of small boards can be improved. Are they actual thinking/pondering lines?
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Re: CCCC is running

Post by Graham Banks » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:27 am

Nice tourney, but it doesn't make TCEC obsolete by any means.
It's just an additional event on big hardware. :P
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Re: CCCC is running

Post by marsell » Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:26 am

And the draw rules are a waste of energy resources and make part of the game very boring and lengthy!
I prefer the Tcec website

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Re: CCCC is running

Post by Henk » Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:38 am

What is missing is live comments and youtube livestream.

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Re: CCCC is running

Post by Modern Times » Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:54 am

Very nice indeed ! You can see the engine thinking in real time and in TCEC you can't. I think that is a big positive. The time control is a little short for my tastes, I'd prefer 30 minutes plus an increment. But a very welcome addition to the online tournament world.
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Re: CCCC is running

Post by Uri Blass » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:44 am

marsell wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:26 am
And the draw rules are a waste of energy resources and make part of the game very boring and lengthy!
I prefer the Tcec website
The draw rules are good to discover bugs in chess engines.
In other tournament engines that have bugs may avoid losing points because of the bugs.

one possible bug for example that I know from history of chess engines is related to the 50 move rule.
A program that does not check that a position is not a checkmate before checking for the 50 move rule may lose a drawn endgame by allowing mate in 1 when claiming draws by the 50 move rule after the mate is not possible.

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Re: CCCC is running

Post by whereagles » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:51 pm

not obsolete: TCEC runs almost 24/7 :D

CCCC (4C) does have live chat as well, which is like 95% of the fun 8-)

and yes, 4C uses pondering ON and live pv. New TCEC beta site has live pv from stockfish (running on remote server) and is working on live pv from engines as well.

hopefully TCEC beta can also change to a nice graphical layout as 4C.. right now it's "meh"

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Re: CCCC is running

Post by Jouni » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:51 pm

There is chat.
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Re: CCCC is running

Post by jdart » Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:41 pm

I had some issues with the setup, which I've detailed here before, but I still think it's interesting and I'm glad they're doing it.

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Re: CCCC is running

Post by zullil » Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:42 pm

Almost sad to write this, but I don't like CCCC or TCEC.

Back in the day, when "T" stood for Thoresen, TCEC was a real labor of love, with the best quality chess.

Now everyone is trying to monetize, and so we have 24/7 tournaments where one season simply blurs into another. And too many participants. And too short time controls.

Oh well, things change.

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