LCZero starts with an opening disadvantage..................

[Leo]

I am sure you can configure a book for Lc0 that would easily beat SF with even its best book. Lc0 seems to be easily able to outplay SF if the position is stable and not very tactical.

I highly doubt it.

[Chessqueen]

To kick someone out, they have to violate the charter.
It really is that simple.

You can't kick someone out for being annoying.

I am 99 % ready to add him or her to my ignore list.

I already did too, he is out of my ignore List

[Chessqueen]

I am sure you can configure a book for Lc0 that would easily beat SF with even its best book. Lc0 seems to be easily able to outplay SF if the position is stable and not very tactical.

I highly doubt it.

I truly believe that it is better if there are only 50 openings for the 100 games played at TCEC where each engine play the exact 50 opening with White then with Black, that way would eliminate any advantages to either engine; and the same for the EGT both engine should only use 6men TB, or both 7 men TB. Can you believe that there are 206,000 spectators watching this TCEC match !
https://tcec.chessdom.com/
Okay from now on no more stupid comments from me, you all have a wonderful valentine day, well even if it was yesterday.

[M ANSARI]

Check out the last game that Lc0 beat SF in at TCEC ... incredible opening play. Totally destroyed SF by giving up a bishop and then going down 3 pawns so that it could keep the rook on h8 out of play for enough time to create a winning advantage. I have never ever seen an engine that can play the opening part of the game so well. Usually move like Bg6! are novelties that are discovered after hours and days of patient analysis by strong GM's guiding their engines as they go through the possibility of it being playable or not. Lc0 played this over the board.

[Leo]

Check out the last game that Lc0 beat SF in at TCEC ... incredible opening play. Totally destroyed SF by giving up a bishop and then going down 3 pawns so that it could keep the rook on h8 out of play for enough time to create a winning advantage. I have never ever seen an engine that can play the opening part of the game so well. Usually move like Bg6! are novelties that are discovered after hours and days of patient analysis by strong GM's guiding their engines as they go through the possibility of it being playable or not. Lc0 played this over the board.

LCZ has its own opening book as it were. It has played millions of games and honed the way it opens. SF has to recalculate its opening every time it starts a game without a book or playing with a 6 move or something book. Of course LCZ has reached a new level of play if it starts winning the TCEC.

[Chessqueen]

Check out the last game that Lc0 beat SF in at TCEC ... incredible opening play. Totally destroyed SF by giving up a bishop and then going down 3 pawns so that it could keep the rook on h8 out of play for enough time to create a winning advantage. I have never ever seen an engine that can play the opening part of the game so well. Usually move like Bg6! are novelties that are discovered after hours and days of patient analysis by strong GM's guiding their engines as they go through the possibility of it being playable or not. Lc0 played this over the board.

Can you please show us that particular game?
[D]8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8 b - - 16 1

[M ANSARI]

[pgn]1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bb4 5. e5 h6 6. Be3 Ne4 7. Qg4 Kf8 8. a3 Bxc3+ 9. bxc3 Nxc3 10. Bd3 b6 11. h4 Nc6 12. h5 Bd7 13. Ne2 Nxe2 14. Qxe2 Ne7 15. a4 a5 16. f4 Nf5 17. Bf2 Nxd4 18. Bxd4 c5 19. Bf2 c4 20. Bg6 fxg6 21. hxg6 Kg8 22. c3 Qf8 23. Qg4 Qf5 24. Qxf5 exf5 25. Rb1 Rb8 26. g4 fxg4 27. e6 Bxa4 28. Kd2 Be8 29. f5 b5 30. Ra1 a4 31. Rhb1 Rc8 32. Bh4 g3 33. Ke3 Bc6 34. Bxg3 Kf8 35. Bd6+ Ke8 36. Rf1 Rd8 37. Bb4 d4+ 38. cxd4 Bd5 39. f6 Bxe6 40. f7+ Kd7 41. f8=R Kc6 1-0[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

[pgn]1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bb4 5. e5 h6 6. Be3 Ne4 7. Qg4 Kf8 8. a3 Bxc3+ 9. bxc3 Nxc3 10. Bd3 b6 11. h4 Nc6 12. h5 Bd7 13. Ne2 Nxe2 14. Qxe2 Ne7 15. a4 a5 16. f4 Nf5 17. Bf2 Nxd4 18. Bxd4 c5 19. Bf2 c4 20. Bg6 fxg6 21. hxg6 Kg8 22. c3 Qf8 23. Qg4 Qf5 24. Qxf5 exf5 25. Rb1 Rb8 26. g4 fxg4 27. e6 Bxa4 28. Kd2 Be8 29. f5 b5 30. Ra1 a4 31. Rhb1 Rc8 32. Bh4 g3 33. Ke3 Bc6 34. Bxg3 Kf8 35. Bd6+ Ke8 36. Rf1 Rd8 37. Bb4 d4+ 38. cxd4 Bd5 39. f6 Bxe6 40. f7+ Kd7 41. f8=R Kc6 1-0[/pgn]

LCZero is Amazing !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzST6IZhAqg

[Chessqueen]

Check out the last game that Lc0 beat SF in at TCEC ... incredible opening play. Totally destroyed SF by giving up a bishop and then going down 3 pawns so that it could keep the rook on h8 out of play for enough time to create a winning advantage. I have never ever seen an engine that can play the opening part of the game so well. Usually move like Bg6! are novelties that are discovered after hours and days of patient analysis by strong GM's guiding their engines as they go through the possibility of it being playable or not. Lc0 played this over the board.

What program has a worse bug LCZero or Stockfish, in game 29 out of 100 games Stockfhish calculate checkmate in 22 moves, and Leela saw the game as winning, take a look at the result and tell me what program has a worse Bug ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bfL9Sg35II

[RubiChess]

Check out the last game that Lc0 beat SF in at TCEC ... incredible opening play. Totally destroyed SF by giving up a bishop and then going down 3 pawns so that it could keep the rook on h8 out of play for enough time to create a winning advantage. I have never ever seen an engine that can play the opening part of the game so well. Usually move like Bg6! are novelties that are discovered after hours and days of patient analysis by strong GM's guiding their engines as they go through the possibility of it being playable or not. Lc0 played this over the board.

What program has a worse bug LCZero or Stockfish, in game 29 out of 100 games Stockfhish calculate checkmate in 22 moves, and Leela saw the game as winning, take a look at the result and tell me what program has a worse Bug ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bfL9Sg35II

Sorry, but what are you talking about? If you have a look at the TCEC archive and the eval graph of game 29 you will notice that both engines see Leela winning from at least move 32 on. In the video the chess puzzler mentions that SF calculates a mate in 22 (for Leela of course!) while Leela just knows that she's winning but that is not surprising.

The missed win of Leela in game 65 is another story. That may be called a bug. Or maybe not, I don't know enough about the NN stuff to make a judgment.

./Andreas