Swiss Tournament Ed.VIII. Group A.

[xr_a_y]

Sergio, can you post the last round games please ?

[Sergio Martinez]

Thanks for the tournament Sergio

Nothing at all Vincent

[Sergio Martinez]

Sergio, can you post the last round games please ?

Hi Vivien

You can download all games here:

http://swisstourneys.pcriot.com/edition ... groupA.htm

[jvazgo]

Thank you very much Sergio for your excellent work organizing this great tournament.

[Sergio Martinez]

Thank you very much Sergio for your excellent work organizing this great tournament.

Thank you very much Juan Manuel, always is a pleasure count with a strong an interesting engine like Godel in my tournaments

[Guenther]

But it does not analyze either, after starting WB analyze mode it just sits there and does nothing?

Yes I know. I'll add this later. Next week maybe, I'm focusing at TCEC now.

Thanks for starting to add analysis mode now in Minic!

I let run Minic 0.79 on that Quazar game again with feeding the pgn in forward analysis until move 24 Black
(which is one or two moves further than your previous analysis):

[d]1br1r1k1/1p1b1pp1/2n4p/1N1p2q1/4n3/PN2P1P1/1B2BP1P/1QRR2K1 w - - 1 25

The good thing first:
1. forward analysis works now :) (almost)

2. after 10 minutes it still was stuck with depth 24 display from 1:54? (taskmanager said still at full 1cpu)
may be some unsound pruning while in check and king shelter destroyed or triggered some rep code in depth 16-18,
which followed the game moves until Kh3?
3. it still does not see in move 25 that its position is already quite bad
4. backward analysis does not work yet (or mixed forward/backward analysis)

[pgn][Event "Swiss Tournament Ed.VIII. Group A"] [Site "CCRL"] [Date "2019.07.05"] [Round "4.26"] [White "Minic 0.74 64-bit"] [Black "Quazar 0.4 64-bit"] [Result "0-1"] [BlackElo "2900"] [ECO "D40"] [Opening "QGD"] [Time "23:12:44"] [Variation "Semi-Tarrasch, 5.e3"] [WhiteElo "2602"] [TimeControl "40/120:40/120:40/120"] [Termination "adjudication"] [PlyCount "65"] [WhiteType "program"] [BlackType "program"] 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e3 c5 4. c4 e6 5. Nc3 Bd6 {-0.12/16 4} 6. Be2 {+0.18/17 3} O-O {-0.15/17 2} 7. O-O {+0.23/17 2} Nc6 {-0.08/16 2} 8. dxc5 {+0.22/19 2} Bxc5 {-0.10/17 2} 9. cxd5 {+0.17/19 2} exd5 {-0.04/16 2} 10. a3 {+0.26/16 3} a6 {0.00/17 2} 11. b4 {+0.14/18 3} Bd6 {-0.04/16 2} 12. Bb2 {+0.29/18 3} Be6 {0.00/17 2} 13. Rc1 {+0.16/16 2} Re8 {-0.15/16 5} 14. Re1 {+0.29/17 2} Rc8 {0.00/16 3} 15. b5 {+0.28/19 2} axb5 {0.00/18 6} 16. Nxb5 {+0.24/19 2} Bb8 {0.00/16 2} 17. Qa4 {+0.28/17 3} Ne4 {0.00/17 2} 18. Red1 {+0.24/12 0} Qa5 {0.00/17 2} 19. Qb3 {+0.26/18 2} Qb6 {0.00/17 3} 20. Qa2 {+0.38/17 3} Qa5 {-0.01/17 3} 21. Qb1 {+0.31/14 0} h6 {0.00/15 3} 22. Nfd4 {+0.32/17 4} Bd7 {0.00/16 2} 23. Nb3 {0.00/23 12} Qd8 {+0.64/15 2} 24. g3 {0.00/19 2} Qg5 {+1.32/15 3} 25. N3d4 {0.00/20 2} Bxg3 {+5.74/16 2} 26. hxg3 {0.00/23 3} Nxg3 {+3.02/12 0} 27. fxg3 {-3.61/22 16} Qxg3+ {+13.05/17 3} 28. Kh1 {0.00/19 2} Qh3+ {+7.59/15 2} 29. Kg1 {-4.30/23 6} Re5 {+14.23/16 2} 30. Nf5 {-7.17/20 5} Rxf5 {+15.62/18 2} 31. Qxf5 {-11.33/20 4} Bxf5 {+14.90/17 3} 32. Nd6 {-11.33/16 0} Qxe3+ {+15.82/16 2} 33. Kf1 {-12.10/18 5 Arena Adjudication} 0-1[/pgn]

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dep	score	nodes	time	(not shown:  tbhits	knps	seldep)
 24	  0.00 	47.2M  	1:54.39	b3d4 c6d4 b5d4 b8g3 h2g3 e4g3 f2g3 g5g3 g1h1 c8c1 b2c1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 
 23	  0.00 	40.5M  	1:38.20	b3d4 c6d4 b5d4 c8c1 b1c1 d7a4 d1f1 b8g3 h2g3 e4g3 f2g3 g5g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 
 22	 -0.31 	28.6M  	1:09.14	b3d4 c6d4 b5d4 c8c1 b2c1 g5f6 f2f4 d7a4 d1f1 b8a7 b1b4 a4c6 c1b2 a7c5 b4a5 b7b6 a5a6 e4d2 f1d1 d2c4 e2c4 d5c4 a6c4 e8e3 d4c6 
 21	  0.00 	8.88M  	0:21.36	b3d4 c6d4 b5d4 c8c1 b1c1 d7a4 d1e1 g5f6 f2f4 f6g6 d4f3 e4g3 h2g3 g6g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 b8a7 b2e5 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 
 20	  0.00 	7.71M  	0:18.66	b3d4 c6d4 b5d4 c8c1 b1c1 d7a4 d1e1 g5f6 f2f4 f6g6 d4f3 e4g3 h2g3 g6g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 b8a7 b2e5 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 
 19	 -0.13 	4.67M  	0:11.07	b3d4 c6d4 b2d4 g5f5 f2f4 c8c6 b1b3 e8c8 b3b2 f5g6 g1g2 g6e6 g2g1 e6f5 c1c6 b7c6 b5c3 c6c5 c3e4 f5e4 d4g7 
 18	  0.00 	1.90M  	0:04.40	b3d4 b8g3 h2g3 e4g3 f2g3 g5g3 g1h1 g3h4 h1g1 h4g3 g1h1 g3h4 h1g1 h4g3 g1h1 g3h4 h1g1 h4g3 
 17	  0.00 	1.61M  	0:03.74	b3d4 b8g3 h2g3 e4g3 f2g3 g5g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 
 16	  0.00 	1.25M  	0:02.89	b3d4 b8g3 h2g3 e4g3 f2g3 g5g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 
 15	+0.10 	627343	0:01.46	b3d4 c6d4 b2d4 g5f5 f2f4 f5h3 e2f1 h3g4 b1d3 g4f3 d3e2 f3g4 d4b6 g4e2 f1e2 c8c1 d1c1 
 14	+0.57 	229226	0:00.51	b3d4 g5e7 b1a2 c6d4 b2d4 c8c1 d1c1 b8e5 a2b3 e5f6 b3d5 f6d4 d5d4 d7b5 
 13	+0.56 	144903	0:00.32	b3d4 g5e7 b1a2 c6d4 b2d4 e7g5 a2b1 c8c1 d1c1 e8c8 c1c8 d7c8 b1b4 c8e6 
 12	+0.56 	118330	0:00.27	b3d4 g5e7 b1a2 c6d4 b2d4 e7g5 a2b1 c8c1 d1c1 e8c8 c1c8 d7c8 b1b4 c8e6 
 11	+0.30 	2430    	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 b8d6 c1c8 e8c8 d4e2 e4g5 f3g2 
 10	+0.30 	1839    	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 b8d6 c1c8 e8c8 d4e2 e4g5 
  9	+0.30 	1448    	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 b8d6 c1c8 e8c8 d4e2 
  8	+0.30 	1165    	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 b8d6 c1c8 e8c8 
  7	+0.30 	997      	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 b8d6 c1c8 
  6	+0.30 	872      	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 b8d6 
  5	+0.30 	781      	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 
  4	+0.30 	714      	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 
  3	+0.30 	498      	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 
  2	+0.30 	254      	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 
  1	+0.30 	154      	0:00.00	b3d4

[xr_a_y]

But it does not analyze either, after starting WB analyze mode it just sits there and does nothing?

Yes I know. I'll add this later. Next week maybe, I'm focusing at TCEC now.

Thanks for starting to add analysis mode now in Minic!

I let run Minic 0.79 on that Quazar game again with feeding the pgn in forward analysis until move 24 Black
(which is one or two moves further than your previous analysis):

[d]1br1r1k1/1p1b1pp1/2n4p/1N1p2q1/4n3/PN2P1P1/1B2BP1P/1QRR2K1 w - - 1 25

The good thing first:
1. forward analysis works now (almost)

2. after 10 minutes it still was stuck with depth 24 display from 1:54? (taskmanager said still at full 1cpu)
may be some unsound pruning while in check and king shelter destroyed or triggered some rep code in depth 16-18,
which followed the game moves until Kh3?
3. it still does not see in move 25 that its position is already quite bad
4. backward analysis does not work yet (or mixed forward/backward analysis)

[pgn][Event "Swiss Tournament Ed.VIII. Group A"] [Site "CCRL"] [Date "2019.07.05"] [Round "4.26"] [White "Minic 0.74 64-bit"] [Black "Quazar 0.4 64-bit"] [Result "0-1"] [BlackElo "2900"] [ECO "D40"] [Opening "QGD"] [Time "23:12:44"] [Variation "Semi-Tarrasch, 5.e3"] [WhiteElo "2602"] [TimeControl "40/120:40/120:40/120"] [Termination "adjudication"] [PlyCount "65"] [WhiteType "program"] [BlackType "program"] 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e3 c5 4. c4 e6 5. Nc3 Bd6 {-0.12/16 4} 6. Be2 {+0.18/17 3} O-O {-0.15/17 2} 7. O-O {+0.23/17 2} Nc6 {-0.08/16 2} 8. dxc5 {+0.22/19 2} Bxc5 {-0.10/17 2} 9. cxd5 {+0.17/19 2} exd5 {-0.04/16 2} 10. a3 {+0.26/16 3} a6 {0.00/17 2} 11. b4 {+0.14/18 3} Bd6 {-0.04/16 2} 12. Bb2 {+0.29/18 3} Be6 {0.00/17 2} 13. Rc1 {+0.16/16 2} Re8 {-0.15/16 5} 14. Re1 {+0.29/17 2} Rc8 {0.00/16 3} 15. b5 {+0.28/19 2} axb5 {0.00/18 6} 16. Nxb5 {+0.24/19 2} Bb8 {0.00/16 2} 17. Qa4 {+0.28/17 3} Ne4 {0.00/17 2} 18. Red1 {+0.24/12 0} Qa5 {0.00/17 2} 19. Qb3 {+0.26/18 2} Qb6 {0.00/17 3} 20. Qa2 {+0.38/17 3} Qa5 {-0.01/17 3} 21. Qb1 {+0.31/14 0} h6 {0.00/15 3} 22. Nfd4 {+0.32/17 4} Bd7 {0.00/16 2} 23. Nb3 {0.00/23 12} Qd8 {+0.64/15 2} 24. g3 {0.00/19 2} Qg5 {+1.32/15 3} 25. N3d4 {0.00/20 2} Bxg3 {+5.74/16 2} 26. hxg3 {0.00/23 3} Nxg3 {+3.02/12 0} 27. fxg3 {-3.61/22 16} Qxg3+ {+13.05/17 3} 28. Kh1 {0.00/19 2} Qh3+ {+7.59/15 2} 29. Kg1 {-4.30/23 6} Re5 {+14.23/16 2} 30. Nf5 {-7.17/20 5} Rxf5 {+15.62/18 2} 31. Qxf5 {-11.33/20 4} Bxf5 {+14.90/17 3} 32. Nd6 {-11.33/16 0} Qxe3+ {+15.82/16 2} 33. Kf1 {-12.10/18 5 Arena Adjudication} 0-1[/pgn]

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dep	score	nodes	time	(not shown:  tbhits	knps	seldep)
 24	  0.00 	47.2M  	1:54.39	b3d4 c6d4 b5d4 b8g3 h2g3 e4g3 f2g3 g5g3 g1h1 c8c1 b2c1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 
 23	  0.00 	40.5M  	1:38.20	b3d4 c6d4 b5d4 c8c1 b1c1 d7a4 d1f1 b8g3 h2g3 e4g3 f2g3 g5g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 
 22	 -0.31 	28.6M  	1:09.14	b3d4 c6d4 b5d4 c8c1 b2c1 g5f6 f2f4 d7a4 d1f1 b8a7 b1b4 a4c6 c1b2 a7c5 b4a5 b7b6 a5a6 e4d2 f1d1 d2c4 e2c4 d5c4 a6c4 e8e3 d4c6 
 21	  0.00 	8.88M  	0:21.36	b3d4 c6d4 b5d4 c8c1 b1c1 d7a4 d1e1 g5f6 f2f4 f6g6 d4f3 e4g3 h2g3 g6g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 b8a7 b2e5 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 
 20	  0.00 	7.71M  	0:18.66	b3d4 c6d4 b5d4 c8c1 b1c1 d7a4 d1e1 g5f6 f2f4 f6g6 d4f3 e4g3 h2g3 g6g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 b8a7 b2e5 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 
 19	 -0.13 	4.67M  	0:11.07	b3d4 c6d4 b2d4 g5f5 f2f4 c8c6 b1b3 e8c8 b3b2 f5g6 g1g2 g6e6 g2g1 e6f5 c1c6 b7c6 b5c3 c6c5 c3e4 f5e4 d4g7 
 18	  0.00 	1.90M  	0:04.40	b3d4 b8g3 h2g3 e4g3 f2g3 g5g3 g1h1 g3h4 h1g1 h4g3 g1h1 g3h4 h1g1 h4g3 g1h1 g3h4 h1g1 h4g3 
 17	  0.00 	1.61M  	0:03.74	b3d4 b8g3 h2g3 e4g3 f2g3 g5g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 
 16	  0.00 	1.25M  	0:02.89	b3d4 b8g3 h2g3 e4g3 f2g3 g5g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 h3g3 
 15	+0.10 	627343	0:01.46	b3d4 c6d4 b2d4 g5f5 f2f4 f5h3 e2f1 h3g4 b1d3 g4f3 d3e2 f3g4 d4b6 g4e2 f1e2 c8c1 d1c1 
 14	+0.57 	229226	0:00.51	b3d4 g5e7 b1a2 c6d4 b2d4 c8c1 d1c1 b8e5 a2b3 e5f6 b3d5 f6d4 d5d4 d7b5 
 13	+0.56 	144903	0:00.32	b3d4 g5e7 b1a2 c6d4 b2d4 e7g5 a2b1 c8c1 d1c1 e8c8 c1c8 d7c8 b1b4 c8e6 
 12	+0.56 	118330	0:00.27	b3d4 g5e7 b1a2 c6d4 b2d4 e7g5 a2b1 c8c1 d1c1 e8c8 c1c8 d7c8 b1b4 c8e6 
 11	+0.30 	2430    	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 b8d6 c1c8 e8c8 d4e2 e4g5 f3g2 
 10	+0.30 	1839    	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 b8d6 c1c8 e8c8 d4e2 e4g5 
  9	+0.30 	1448    	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 b8d6 c1c8 e8c8 d4e2 
  8	+0.30 	1165    	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 b8d6 c1c8 e8c8 
  7	+0.30 	997      	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 b8d6 c1c8 
  6	+0.30 	872      	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 b8d6 
  5	+0.30 	781      	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 b5d4 
  4	+0.30 	714      	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 c6d4 
  3	+0.30 	498      	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 e2f3 
  2	+0.30 	254      	0:00.00	b3d4 g5e7 
  1	+0.30 	154      	0:00.00	b3d4

Thank a lot for testing it so quickly !

Using 1024Mo of TT here, the same thing ocured at depth 25 when Minic starts to see that things are going wrong. Window search is always failing and restarted again with a little bigger window, it takes 1min or so each time and growing ...

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25 -22 3555 46676829 46 1312 3848	b3d4 c6d4 b5d4 c8c1 b1c1 g5f6 f2f3 e4g5 c1d2 f6e5 f3f4 e5e3 d2e3 g5h3 g1g2 e8e3 e2f3 b8a7 d1d2 e3e1 f4f5 h3g5 f3d5 a7d4 b2d4 d7f5 d5b7 
# Info  2019-07-22 22:21:17-497: Thread 0 searching depth 26
# Info  2019-07-22 22:21:27-034: Increase window alpha -44..-22
# Info  2019-07-22 22:21:52-063: Increase window alpha -67..-33
# Info  2019-07-22 22:22:04-509: Increase window alpha -103..-50
# Info  2019-07-22 22:22:41-578: Increase window alpha -159..-76
26 -122 17533 232529551 51 1326 16996	b5d4 b8g3 h2g3 e4g3 f2g3 e8e3 d1d3 g5g3 g1h1 g3h3 h1g1 c6d4 c1c8 d7c8 b3d4 h3g3 g1h1 c8h3 b1g1 e3d3 e2d3 g3d3 g1f2 h3d7 h1g1 g7g5 d4f3 d7e6 b2e5 d3a3 f3d4 a3c1 g1h2 g5g4 

Depending of the TT size you are using this may take some time ... and be worst and worst as Minic is seeing the position is losing. This is something I need to address, because it is even preventing Minic to see deep mates like ion Shirov position

[d] 6r1/2rp1kpp/2qQp3/p3Pp1P/1pP2P2/1P2KP2/P5R1/6R1 w - - 0 1

I'll check backward analysis next but I'm not sure what it is ... and how xboard handle it.

[Guenther]

I'll check backward analysis next but I'm not sure what it is ... :oops: :oops: :oops: and how xboard handle it. :?

Thanks also for the quick reply!

I guess this should be asked at the Programmers forum.
I can only say that the program should be able to start a new search for each position, if the user moves forward/backward
in the current game in analysis mode. HGM or others, should know the implementation details for the xboard protocol.

Currently Minic gets out of sync, if one move backwards in the game.

[Vinvin]

Thank you very much Sergio for your excellent work organizing this great tournament.

Thank you very much Juan Manuel, always is a pleasure count with a strong an interesting engine like Godel in my tournaments

Hi Sergio !
When will be the Swiss Tournament Ed.IX ?
Thanks for your tournaments !

[Sergio Martinez]

Thank you very much Sergio for your excellent work organizing this great tournament.

Thank you very much Juan Manuel, always is a pleasure count with a strong an interesting engine like Godel in my tournaments

Hi Sergio !
When will be the Swiss Tournament Ed.IX ?
Thanks for your tournaments !

Hi Vincent!

I hope to start soon, in fact my idea is Edition IX starts after these last three CEO tournaments (Philippines, Norway and Netherlands)

Thank you