THE SSDF RATING LIST 2019-07-08

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THE SSDF RATING LIST 2019-07-08

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THE SSDF RATING LIST 2019-07-08    150612 games played by  384 computers							
                                           Rating   +	  -  Games   Won  Oppo
                                           ------  ---   --- -----   ---  ----
   1 Stockfish 10 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz          3529   33   -31   577   72%  3365
   2 Stockfish 9 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz           3493   30   -28   722   73%  3315
   3 Komodo 13.02 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz          3482   52   -48   200   61%  3402
   4 Komodo 12.3 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz           3454   28   -26   720   67%  3328
   5 Stockfish 9 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3445   34   -33   431   57%  3399
   6 Komodo 12.3 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3443   43   -41   280   59%  3382
   7 Stockfish 8 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz           3432   26   -24  1100   77%  3217
   8 Komodo 13.02 MCTS x64 1800X 3.6 GHz     3424   51   -48   205   62%  3334
   9 Stockfish 8 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3413   35   -33   480   69%  3274
  10 Komodo 11.01 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz          3394   22   -21  1214   71%  3240
  11 Deep Shredder 13 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz      3358   25   -24   840   65%  3246
  12 Booot 6.3.1 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz           3357   24   -24   795   52%  3341
  13 Komodo 9.1 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz            3339   20   -19  1475   72%  3177
  14 Komodo 11.01 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz          3333   30   -30   524   52%  3316
  15 Stockfish 6 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3327   21   -20  1256   69%  3191
  16 Deep Shredder 13 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz      3296   24   -23   884   64%  3193
  17 Booot 6.3.1 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3288   36   -34   400   60%  3219
  18 Arasan 21.2 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz           3280   31   -32   480   42%  3333
  19 Komodo 7 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz              3270   23   -23   974   65%  3160
  20 Arasan 21.2 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3250   55   -58   152   43%  3290
  21 Komodo 5.1 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz            3245   22   -22  1038   64%  3145
  22 Wasp 3.5 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz              3235   32   -34   480   34%  3351
  23 Deep Hiarcs 14 1800X 3.6 GHz            3217   26   -27   680   41%  3279
  24 Wasp 3 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz                3213   24   -25   802   40%  3285
  25 Stockfish 3 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3203   19   -18  1420   61%  3127
  26 Deep Rybka 4 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz          3199   20   -19  1328   65%  3091
  27 Deep Rybka 3 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz          3194   22   -21  1371   75%  3003
  28 Deep Hiarcs 14 Q6600 2.4 GHz            3188   19   -18  1450   61%  3112
  29 Chiron 3.01 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3180   27   -27   656   45%  3215
  30 Wasp 3.5 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz              3174   64   -68   112   43%  3226
  31 Wasp 2.01 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz             3156   24   -26   846   33%  3280
  32 Naum 4.2 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz              3147   21   -21  1123   60%  3078
  33 Deep Junior Yokohama x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz  3126   22   -22  1010   42%  3184
  34 Hiarcs 14 Athlon 1.2 GHz                3100   29   -29   560   55%  3065
  35 Deep Fritz 13 Q6600 2.4 GHz             3097   24   -24   826   55%  3064
  36 The Baron 3.43 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz        3088   30   -33   600   27%  3263
  37 Wasp 2.01 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz             3065   40   -46   404   20%  3301
  38 Arasan 17.2 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3001   26   -26   686   46%  3029
  39 Revelation 2 Hiarcs 14.1 PXA320 800 MHz 2924   47   -46   220   55%  2889
  40 Chessmaster King 3.5 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz  2860   24   -25   932   30%  3009
  41 Revelation Hiarcs 13.3 PXA255 500 MHz   2772   57   -52   177   66%  2661
  42 Revelation Shredder 12 PXA255 500 MHz   2703   60   -58   140   56%  2663
  43 Revelation Rybka 2.2 PXA255 500 MHz     2628   47   -44   240   62%  2545
  44 Revelation Deep Sjeng 3 PXA255 500 MHz  2599   68   -76   100   37%  2691
  45 ChessGenius 3 ZTE Apex3 ARM A53 1.3 GHz 2457   75   -68   100   62%  2376
  46 Revelation Ruffian 2.1 PXA255 500 MHz   2352   68   -71   100   45%  2391
  47 TASC R30 v. 2.5 ARM6 30 MHz             2274   42   -38   343   69%  2137
  48 Millenium ChessGenius Pro M4 120 MHz    2175   67   -59   140   68%  2045
  49 Millenium ChessGenius ARM M4 48 MHz     2079   51   -47   211   63%  1987
  50 Mephisto London 68000 12 MHz            2012   62   -61   128   52%  1996

 1 Stockfish 10 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz, 3529											
Stock9 1800X      22-18    Ko13 1800X      22,5-17,5  Komo12 1800X    24,5-15,5
Stock9 Q6600      26-14    Komo12 Q6600    24,5-15,5  Ko13MC 1800X       9-8 
Stock8 Q6600    26,5-13,5  Komo11 1800X    28,5-11,5  Booot6 1800X      30-10
Komo11 Q6600    30,5-9,5   Booot6 Q6600      32-8     Arasa21 1800X     35-5 
Arasa21 Q6600     36-4     Was35 1800X       35-5     Wasp3 1800X       35-5 

 3 Komodo 13.02 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz, 3482											
Stoc10 1800X    17,5-22,5  Stock9 Q6600    22,5-17,5  Komo12 Q6600    22,5-17,5
Booot6 1800X      27-13    Was35 1800X       33-7     

 5 Stockfish 9 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz, 3445											
Stoc10 1800X      14-26    Stock9 1800X    16,5-23,5  Ko13 1800X      17,5-22,5
Komo12 1800X      20-20    Komo12 Q6600      20-20    Ko13MC 1800X      16-15
Komo11 1800X    21,5-18,5  Booot6 1800X    26,5-13,5  Booot6 Q6600    29,5-10,5
Arasa21 1800X   31,5-8,5   Arasa21 Q6600     33-7     

 6 Komodo 12.3 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz, 3443											
Stoc10 1800X    15,5-24,5  Ko13 1800X      17,5-22,5  Stock9 Q6600      20-20
Ko13MC 1800X    20,5-19,5  Booot6 1800X    24,5-15,5  Was35 1800X     32,5-7,5 
DRybka4 Q6600   34,5-5,5   

 8 Komodo 13.02 MCTS x64 1800X 3.6 GHz, 3424											
Stoc10 1800X       8-9     Stock9 Q6600      15-16    Komo12 Q6600    19,5-20,5
Booot6 1800X    20,5-14,5  Komo11 Q6600     1,5-0,5   Wasp3 1800X       31-9 
Wasp201 1800X   32,5-7,5   

 20 Arasan 21.2 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz, 3250											
Stoc10 1800X       4-36    Stock9 Q6600       7-33    Was35 Q6600     20,5-11,5
Arasa16 Q6600   34,5-5,5   

 22 Wasp 3.5 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz, 3235											
Stoc10 1800X       5-35    Stock9 1800X       5-35    Ko13 1800X         7-33
Komo12 1800X     7,5-32,5  Komo12 Q6600     7,5-32,5  Stock8 1800X     9,5-30,5
Booot6 1800X     9,5-30,5  Booot6 Q6600    14,5-25,5  Arasa21 1800X   15,5-24,5
Wasp3 1800X     24,5-15,5  Wasp201 1800X   25,5-14,5  Baro343 1800X   31,5-8,5 

 30 Wasp 3.5 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz, 3174											
Stockf6 Q6600   10,5-29,5  Arasa21 Q6600   11,5-20,5  Spike14 Q6600   26,5-13,5

On this July ratinglist of 2019, we can present eight new entrants.

First out is the new leader in the rating list, and the first to break the 3500-
barrier in our rating list. It's Stockfish 10 by Marco Costalba, Tord Romstad 
and Joona Kiiski. As with the former versions, we have used the free opening book
from Sedat Canbaz for the testing, and this time it has been the 
"Aggressive 4.0 by Fauzi.abk". After 577 games it now leads the list by a margin
of 36 points in front of its older version, and with the rating of 3529!

Second out and still early on in the testing, is the latest program by Mark Lefler
and Larry Kaufman. It has placed itself third in this list with the rating of 3482. 
This is 28 points stronger than the last Komodo-version we have tested. As in the
testing of the 12.3-version, we have used Erdogan Guenes opening book. This version
is the "normal" version which can be compared to the older versions we have tested.

We have also tested the Monte Carlo Tree Search-version of Komodo, named MCTS, for 
the first time. We have used the same opening book for this testing. Even though
it's also early on in the testing, it has achieved a strong rating of 3424 after 
205 games played. It trails the normal 13.02-version by 58 points, but are stronger 
than most other programs outside the latest Stockfish/Komodo range and places 
itself on the eight spot in the ratinglist.

Last one out of the programs which we have tested on our 1800X-platform, is
John Stanback's - Wasp 3.5 program. It has achieved a rating of 3235 after the 
first 480 games played, and this is 22 points stronger than Wasp 3. 
Contrary to the other two Wasp-versions we have tested (2.01 and 3),
Wasp 3.5 now includes an own opening book, which we have used for the testing. 

As can be seen from the rating list, we now also have enough games to be able to
present four new additions to the Q6600 hardware level. First one is Stockfish 9,
which has gotten a rating of 3445 after 431 games played. This is 48 points lower
than the version we have tested on the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X hardware level, but is
also the strongest program we have ever tested on the Q6600 platform! 

With a slim margin of only 2 points lower than Stockfish 9, we have now the 
Komodo 12.3 on our Q6600 hardware. It has managed to get a rating of 3443 after 
the first 280 games. This is only 11 points lower than the same version on the 
1800X and 110 points in front of the 11.01 version on the Q6600!

Next up is the program of Jon Dart - Arasan 21.2, which we now have 152 games
with. It's also an early bird which barely made it to this list, but its rating
after the first couple of matches are 3250. This rating is 30 points lower than
the same version on our 1800X platform, but a whopping 249 points stronger than 
the 17.2 version which we also tested on our Q6600 level!

Last one out and extremely in time for this list, was Wasp 3.5 on our Q6600. 
It has achieved a rating of 3174 after the first 112 games, which is
61 points behind the 1800X version, and 109 points stronger than the last 
Wasp-version (2.01) we have tested on the Q6600. 

Notable gains/losses from the last list was: Arasan 21.2 1800X, which gained 11
points, Booot 6.3.1 Q6600 gained 8 points and Booot 6.3.1 1800X gained 5 points.
The programs which lost most points was: Mephisto London 68000 which lost 23
points, The Baron 3.43 1800X lost 7 points and Stockfish 8 Q6600/Wasp 3 1800X 
lost 5 points each. 

For the moment we are manually testing both the Millenium ChessGenius Exclusive, 
the Millenium The King Exclusive and also the previously untested oldie Mephisto 
London 68020. We will be able to introduce the ChessGenius Exclusive on our next 
rating list which we plan to have out in the end of summer or as soon as this 
computer have enough games.    
    
Lars Sandin
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Re: THE SSDF RATING LIST 2019-07-08

Post by mwyoung »

Lars Sandin wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:35 pm

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THE SSDF RATING LIST 2019-07-08    150612 games played by  384 computers							
                                           Rating   +	  -  Games   Won  Oppo
                                           ------  ---   --- -----   ---  ----
   1 Stockfish 10 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz          3529   33   -31   577   72%  3365
   2 Stockfish 9 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz           3493   30   -28   722   73%  3315
   3 Komodo 13.02 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz          3482   52   -48   200   61%  3402
   4 Komodo 12.3 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz           3454   28   -26   720   67%  3328
   5 Stockfish 9 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3445   34   -33   431   57%  3399
   6 Komodo 12.3 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3443   43   -41   280   59%  3382
   7 Stockfish 8 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz           3432   26   -24  1100   77%  3217
   8 Komodo 13.02 MCTS x64 1800X 3.6 GHz     3424   51   -48   205   62%  3334
   9 Stockfish 8 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3413   35   -33   480   69%  3274
  10 Komodo 11.01 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz          3394   22   -21  1214   71%  3240
  11 Deep Shredder 13 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz      3358   25   -24   840   65%  3246
  12 Booot 6.3.1 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz           3357   24   -24   795   52%  3341
  13 Komodo 9.1 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz            3339   20   -19  1475   72%  3177
  14 Komodo 11.01 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz          3333   30   -30   524   52%  3316
  15 Stockfish 6 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3327   21   -20  1256   69%  3191
  16 Deep Shredder 13 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz      3296   24   -23   884   64%  3193
  17 Booot 6.3.1 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3288   36   -34   400   60%  3219
  18 Arasan 21.2 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz           3280   31   -32   480   42%  3333
  19 Komodo 7 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz              3270   23   -23   974   65%  3160
  20 Arasan 21.2 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3250   55   -58   152   43%  3290
  21 Komodo 5.1 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz            3245   22   -22  1038   64%  3145
  22 Wasp 3.5 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz              3235   32   -34   480   34%  3351
  23 Deep Hiarcs 14 1800X 3.6 GHz            3217   26   -27   680   41%  3279
  24 Wasp 3 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz                3213   24   -25   802   40%  3285
  25 Stockfish 3 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3203   19   -18  1420   61%  3127
  26 Deep Rybka 4 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz          3199   20   -19  1328   65%  3091
  27 Deep Rybka 3 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz          3194   22   -21  1371   75%  3003
  28 Deep Hiarcs 14 Q6600 2.4 GHz            3188   19   -18  1450   61%  3112
  29 Chiron 3.01 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3180   27   -27   656   45%  3215
  30 Wasp 3.5 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz              3174   64   -68   112   43%  3226
  31 Wasp 2.01 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz             3156   24   -26   846   33%  3280
  32 Naum 4.2 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz              3147   21   -21  1123   60%  3078
  33 Deep Junior Yokohama x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz  3126   22   -22  1010   42%  3184
  34 Hiarcs 14 Athlon 1.2 GHz                3100   29   -29   560   55%  3065
  35 Deep Fritz 13 Q6600 2.4 GHz             3097   24   -24   826   55%  3064
  36 The Baron 3.43 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz        3088   30   -33   600   27%  3263
  37 Wasp 2.01 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz             3065   40   -46   404   20%  3301
  38 Arasan 17.2 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz           3001   26   -26   686   46%  3029
  39 Revelation 2 Hiarcs 14.1 PXA320 800 MHz 2924   47   -46   220   55%  2889
  40 Chessmaster King 3.5 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz  2860   24   -25   932   30%  3009
  41 Revelation Hiarcs 13.3 PXA255 500 MHz   2772   57   -52   177   66%  2661
  42 Revelation Shredder 12 PXA255 500 MHz   2703   60   -58   140   56%  2663
  43 Revelation Rybka 2.2 PXA255 500 MHz     2628   47   -44   240   62%  2545
  44 Revelation Deep Sjeng 3 PXA255 500 MHz  2599   68   -76   100   37%  2691
  45 ChessGenius 3 ZTE Apex3 ARM A53 1.3 GHz 2457   75   -68   100   62%  2376
  46 Revelation Ruffian 2.1 PXA255 500 MHz   2352   68   -71   100   45%  2391
  47 TASC R30 v. 2.5 ARM6 30 MHz             2274   42   -38   343   69%  2137
  48 Millenium ChessGenius Pro M4 120 MHz    2175   67   -59   140   68%  2045
  49 Millenium ChessGenius ARM M4 48 MHz     2079   51   -47   211   63%  1987
  50 Mephisto London 68000 12 MHz            2012   62   -61   128   52%  1996

 1 Stockfish 10 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz, 3529											
Stock9 1800X      22-18    Ko13 1800X      22,5-17,5  Komo12 1800X    24,5-15,5
Stock9 Q6600      26-14    Komo12 Q6600    24,5-15,5  Ko13MC 1800X       9-8 
Stock8 Q6600    26,5-13,5  Komo11 1800X    28,5-11,5  Booot6 1800X      30-10
Komo11 Q6600    30,5-9,5   Booot6 Q6600      32-8     Arasa21 1800X     35-5 
Arasa21 Q6600     36-4     Was35 1800X       35-5     Wasp3 1800X       35-5 

 3 Komodo 13.02 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz, 3482											
Stoc10 1800X    17,5-22,5  Stock9 Q6600    22,5-17,5  Komo12 Q6600    22,5-17,5
Booot6 1800X      27-13    Was35 1800X       33-7     

 5 Stockfish 9 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz, 3445											
Stoc10 1800X      14-26    Stock9 1800X    16,5-23,5  Ko13 1800X      17,5-22,5
Komo12 1800X      20-20    Komo12 Q6600      20-20    Ko13MC 1800X      16-15
Komo11 1800X    21,5-18,5  Booot6 1800X    26,5-13,5  Booot6 Q6600    29,5-10,5
Arasa21 1800X   31,5-8,5   Arasa21 Q6600     33-7     

 6 Komodo 12.3 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz, 3443											
Stoc10 1800X    15,5-24,5  Ko13 1800X      17,5-22,5  Stock9 Q6600      20-20
Ko13MC 1800X    20,5-19,5  Booot6 1800X    24,5-15,5  Was35 1800X     32,5-7,5 
DRybka4 Q6600   34,5-5,5   

 8 Komodo 13.02 MCTS x64 1800X 3.6 GHz, 3424											
Stoc10 1800X       8-9     Stock9 Q6600      15-16    Komo12 Q6600    19,5-20,5
Booot6 1800X    20,5-14,5  Komo11 Q6600     1,5-0,5   Wasp3 1800X       31-9 
Wasp201 1800X   32,5-7,5   

 20 Arasan 21.2 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz, 3250											
Stoc10 1800X       4-36    Stock9 Q6600       7-33    Was35 Q6600     20,5-11,5
Arasa16 Q6600   34,5-5,5   

 22 Wasp 3.5 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz, 3235											
Stoc10 1800X       5-35    Stock9 1800X       5-35    Ko13 1800X         7-33
Komo12 1800X     7,5-32,5  Komo12 Q6600     7,5-32,5  Stock8 1800X     9,5-30,5
Booot6 1800X     9,5-30,5  Booot6 Q6600    14,5-25,5  Arasa21 1800X   15,5-24,5
Wasp3 1800X     24,5-15,5  Wasp201 1800X   25,5-14,5  Baro343 1800X   31,5-8,5 

 30 Wasp 3.5 x64 Q6600 2.4 GHz, 3174											
Stockf6 Q6600   10,5-29,5  Arasa21 Q6600   11,5-20,5  Spike14 Q6600   26,5-13,5

On this July ratinglist of 2019, we can present eight new entrants.

First out is the new leader in the rating list, and the first to break the 3500-
barrier in our rating list. It's Stockfish 10 by Marco Costalba, Tord Romstad 
and Joona Kiiski. As with the former versions, we have used the free opening book
from Sedat Canbaz for the testing, and this time it has been the 
"Aggressive 4.0 by Fauzi.abk". After 577 games it now leads the list by a margin
of 36 points in front of its older version, and with the rating of 3529!

Second out and still early on in the testing, is the latest program by Mark Lefler
and Larry Kaufman. It has placed itself third in this list with the rating of 3482. 
This is 28 points stronger than the last Komodo-version we have tested. As in the
testing of the 12.3-version, we have used Erdogan Guenes opening book. This version
is the "normal" version which can be compared to the older versions we have tested.

We have also tested the Monte Carlo Tree Search-version of Komodo, named MCTS, for 
the first time. We have used the same opening book for this testing. Even though
it's also early on in the testing, it has achieved a strong rating of 3424 after 
205 games played. It trails the normal 13.02-version by 58 points, but are stronger 
than most other programs outside the latest Stockfish/Komodo range and places 
itself on the eight spot in the ratinglist.

Last one out of the programs which we have tested on our 1800X-platform, is
John Stanback's - Wasp 3.5 program. It has achieved a rating of 3235 after the 
first 480 games played, and this is 22 points stronger than Wasp 3. 
Contrary to the other two Wasp-versions we have tested (2.01 and 3),
Wasp 3.5 now includes an own opening book, which we have used for the testing. 

As can be seen from the rating list, we now also have enough games to be able to
present four new additions to the Q6600 hardware level. First one is Stockfish 9,
which has gotten a rating of 3445 after 431 games played. This is 48 points lower
than the version we have tested on the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X hardware level, but is
also the strongest program we have ever tested on the Q6600 platform! 

With a slim margin of only 2 points lower than Stockfish 9, we have now the 
Komodo 12.3 on our Q6600 hardware. It has managed to get a rating of 3443 after 
the first 280 games. This is only 11 points lower than the same version on the 
1800X and 110 points in front of the 11.01 version on the Q6600!

Next up is the program of Jon Dart - Arasan 21.2, which we now have 152 games
with. It's also an early bird which barely made it to this list, but its rating
after the first couple of matches are 3250. This rating is 30 points lower than
the same version on our 1800X platform, but a whopping 249 points stronger than 
the 17.2 version which we also tested on our Q6600 level!

Last one out and extremely in time for this list, was Wasp 3.5 on our Q6600. 
It has achieved a rating of 3174 after the first 112 games, which is
61 points behind the 1800X version, and 109 points stronger than the last 
Wasp-version (2.01) we have tested on the Q6600. 

Notable gains/losses from the last list was: Arasan 21.2 1800X, which gained 11
points, Booot 6.3.1 Q6600 gained 8 points and Booot 6.3.1 1800X gained 5 points.
The programs which lost most points was: Mephisto London 68000 which lost 23
points, The Baron 3.43 1800X lost 7 points and Stockfish 8 Q6600/Wasp 3 1800X 
lost 5 points each. 

For the moment we are manually testing both the Millenium ChessGenius Exclusive, 
the Millenium The King Exclusive and also the previously untested oldie Mephisto 
London 68020. We will be able to introduce the ChessGenius Exclusive on our next 
rating list which we plan to have out in the end of summer or as soon as this 
computer have enough games.    
    
Lars Sandin
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