CCRL 40/40, 40/4 and FRC lists updated (23rd November 2019)

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Chessqueen
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Re: CCRL 40/40, 40/4 and FRC lists updated (23rd November 2019)

Post by Chessqueen » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:39 pm

Graham Banks wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:44 am
AndrewGrant wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:19 am
pohl4711 wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:34 am
Eduard wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:22 pm
Anyone who conscientiously tests Lc0 against AB Engines knows, there is a Lc0 Ratio for reliable results. And CCRL knows that too. Nevertheless, CCRL does not release any information about it.
Agreed. Any testing of NN-engine vs AB-engines without information about the Leela-Ratio makes the results total useless. And I believe, the CCRL Leela-Ratio of the Fat Fritz testrun could be ridiculous high (2 - 2.5 or even worse) - only explanation for Fat Fritz being at the same Elo-level as a new Stockfish-Dev.
Somewhat around 1.0 (between 0.7 and 1.3) is an acceptable Leela-Ratio for testing.
Well its RTX2080 vs Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (2.4 GHz) on 4 cores. Does not require much analysis to see that the results are not as meaningful as others cast present them.
We use mainly modern Intel and AMD computers for testing. Nobody uses a Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (2.4 GHz). All of our computers are just benchmarked to that CPU.
Chessbase is making a BIG deal about two little points of Fat Fritz over Stockfish, once Fat Fritz reaches over 1000 games that little difference of 2 points will banish or go away in favor of Stockfish :roll:

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Re: CCRL 40/40, 40/4 and FRC lists updated (23rd November 2019)

Post by Modern Times » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:24 pm

Chessqueen wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:39 pm

Chessbase is making a BIG deal about two little points of Fat Fritz over Stockfish, once Fat Fritz reaches over 1000 games that little difference of 2 points will banish or go away in favor of Stockfish :roll:
Yes, + 2 Elo is very precarious, it could lose that very easily with more games. Or it might improve.
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Re: CCRL 40/40, 40/4 and FRC lists updated (23rd November 2019)

Post by MikeB » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:13 pm

Albert Silver wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:02 pm
Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:44 am
Jouni wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:15 pm
Chessbase don't waste time https://en.chessbase.com/post/optimizing-fat-fritz .
I am sure Albert Silver (who wrote the article) is very proud he wrote the strongest engine in the world.
The article on optimization is what I wrote last week. The ratings part was added by CB in view of the result. As to being proud of my work: absolutely.
And you should be - Congrats!! 🎉

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