mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Ovyron » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:00 pm

Yeah, Nc5 remains below Bh3 in my rankings, and since I'm hitting the -1.90s, I guess it'll remain like this, unless Nc5 draws.

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 e6 5. Qxb7 Nd7 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. cxd5 exd5 8. d4 Rb8 9. Qa6 Rb6 10. Qd3 Ng6 11. h3 Be6 12. Nf3 Bd6 13. h4 h5 14. b3 Nf6 15. Bg5 O-O 16. e3 Re8 17. Kf1 Bg4 18. Ne1 Bb4 19. Na4 Rb8 20. Nc2 Be7 21. f3 Be6 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Kf2 Nd7


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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by zullil » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:25 pm

Ovyron wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:00 pm
Yeah, Nc5 remains below Bh3 in my rankings, and since I'm hitting the -1.90s, I guess it'll remain like this, unless Nc5 draws.

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 e6 5. Qxb7 Nd7 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. cxd5 exd5 8. d4 Rb8 9. Qa6 Rb6 10. Qd3 Ng6 11. h3 Be6 12. Nf3 Bd6 13. h4 h5 14. b3 Nf6 15. Bg5 O-O 16. e3 Re8 17. Kf1 Bg4 18. Ne1 Bb4 19. Na4 Rb8 20. Nc2 Be7 21. f3 Be6 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Kf2 Nd7

Komodo at depth 52 had 23...Nd7 (-1.58).

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Zenmastur » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:23 pm

zullil wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:25 pm
Ovyron wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:00 pm
Yeah, Nc5 remains below Bh3 in my rankings, and since I'm hitting the -1.90s, I guess it'll remain like this, unless Nc5 draws.

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 e6 5. Qxb7 Nd7 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. cxd5 exd5 8. d4 Rb8 9. Qa6 Rb6 10. Qd3 Ng6 11. h3 Be6 12. Nf3 Bd6 13. h4 h5 14. b3 Nf6 15. Bg5 O-O 16. e3 Re8 17. Kf1 Bg4 18. Ne1 Bb4 19. Na4 Rb8 20. Nc2 Be7 21. f3 Be6 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Kf2 Nd7

Komodo at depth 52 had 23...Nd7 (-1.58).
Are you saving your PV's? If so, after the game is over I would like to look at them to see why Komodo's evals are so much lower than SF. I find it difficult to believe that the difference is related to depth. Which means their should be some disparity in the line's of play it's giving.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by mmt » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:30 am

Nc5 was a choice between bad options. Bh3 was at -2.30 according to SF 11 (7-piece tablebases might be helping me get more accurate scores). LC0 liked it the same as Nc5. https://ibb.co/n6cS0fg

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Ovyron » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:36 am

mmt wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:30 am
Bh3 was at -2.30 according to SF 11 (7-piece tablebases might be helping me get more accurate scores).
Unless they somehow transpose maybe you can show the PV? This is a 0.50 disparity because of some black move I could never find...

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by mmt » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:40 am

Not sure if you saw my edit with the screenshot?

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by jp » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:41 am

Ovyron wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:36 am
Unless they somehow transpose ...
I think there's always a risk of transposition in general.


Here's a viewable version of the game so far.

Last edited by jp on Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:48 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Ovyron » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:43 am

Oh, I didn't see your link.

My PV line has 24.Kg1 instead:

22.Bh3 Bxh3+ 23.Rxh3 Nd7 24.Kg1 Bxg5 25.hxg5 Qxg5+ 26.Kh1 Ne7 27.Qe2 g6 28.Rg1 Qf6 29.Rxh5 Nf5 30.Rh2 Kg7 31.Qf2 Qe7 32.Nc3 Nf6 33.Nd1 Rh8 34.Rgg2 a5 35.Kg1 Rh5 36.Kf1 Re8 37.Rxh5 Nxh5 38.Rg4 Rh8 39.Ke2 a4 40.Kd2 axb3 (relative depth 61 - 5men TB Stockfish)

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Ovyron » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:45 am

Forgot that the score of my PV is -1.83.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by mmt » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:54 am

Ovyron wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:43 am
Oh, I didn't see your link.

My PV line has 24.Kg1 instead:

22.Bh3 Bxh3+ 23.Rxh3 Nd7 24.Kg1 Bxg5 25.hxg5 Qxg5+ 26.Kh1 Ne7 27.Qe2 g6 28.Rg1 Qf6 29.Rxh5 Nf5 30.Rh2 Kg7 31.Qf2 Qe7 32.Nc3 Nf6 33.Nd1 Rh8 34.Rgg2 a5 35.Kg1 Rh5 36.Kf1 Re8 37.Rxh5 Nxh5 38.Rg4 Rh8 39.Ke2 a4 40.Kd2 axb3 (relative depth 61 - 5men TB Stockfish)
24. Kg1 was disliked by LC0. I'll run my SF on the position after 24. Kg1 while waiting for your move.

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