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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Ovyron » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:02 am

mmt wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:28 am
Nce1
I was expecting 52.Ne5. Then again I've been searching shallower and shallower...

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 e6 5. Qxb7 Nd7 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. cxd5 exd5 8. d4 Rb8 9. Qa6 Rb6 10. Qd3 Ng6 11. h3 Be6 12. Nf3 Bd6 13. h4 h5 14. b3 Nf6 15. Bg5 O-O 16. e3 Re8 17. Kf1 Bg4 18. Ne1 Bb4 19. Na4 Rb8 20. Nc2 Be7 21. f3 Be6 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Kf2 Nd7 24. Ne6 Qa5 25. Bxe7 Rxe7 26. b4 Qb6 27. Ng5 Ba6 28. Qa3 Rbe8 29. Bf1 Bxf1 30. Raxf1 Qc7 31. Qd3 a5 32. a3 axb4 33. axb4 Qd6 34. Rfg1 Nb6 35. Qf5 Nf8 36. Re1 Nc4 37. Nh3 Ra7 38. Qxh5 Ra2 39. Re2 Qe7 40. e4 dxe4 41. fxe4 Qd7 42. Ng5 f6 43. Nf3 Nd6 44. Nfe1 Rxe4 45. Qf3 Qe6 46. Rxe4 Nxe4+ 47. Kg1 Rb2 48. Rh2 Rb3 49. Nd3 f5 50. Qf1 Ng3 51. Qd1 Qc4 52. Nce1 Ne4


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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by mmt » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:09 am

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 e6 5. Qxb7 Nd7 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. cxd5 exd5 8. d4 Rb8 9. Qa6 Rb6 10. Qd3 Ng6 11. h3 Be6 12. Nf3 Bd6 13. h4 h5 14. b3 Nf6 15. Bg5 O-O 16. e3 Re8 17. Kf1 Bg4 18. Ne1 Bb4 19. Na4 Rb8 20. Nc2 Be7 21. f3 Be6 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Kf2 Nd7 24. Ne6 Qa5 25. Bxe7 Rxe7 26. b4 Qb6 27. Ng5 Ba6 28. Qa3 Rbe8 29. Bf1 Bxf1 30. Raxf1 Qc7 31. Qd3 a5 32. a3 axb4 33. axb4 Qd6 34. Rfg1 Nb6 35. Qf5 Nf8 36. Re1 Nc4 37. Nh3 Ra7 38. Qxh5 Ra2 39. Re2 Qe7 40. e4 dxe4 41. fxe4 Qd7 42. Ng5 f6 43. Nf3 Nd6 44. Nfe1 Rxe4 45. Qf3 Qe6 46. Rxe4 Nxe4+ 47. Kg1 Rb2 48. Rh2 Rb3 49. Nd3 f5 50. Qf1 Ng3 51. Qd1 Qc4 52. Nce1 Ne4 53. Ne5


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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Ovyron » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:34 am

I had nothing on 53.Ne5, devoting all my resources to 53.Nc5. Evals jumped from the -4.50s to the -5.60 after this move.

Now I'll announce that I'll be playing Stockfish at Depth 35 moves like a parrot, because this is a position I'd have resigned in my games, seeing how mmt would manage to draw against an unassisted Stockfish of this depth would be very instructive!

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 e6 5. Qxb7 Nd7 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. cxd5 exd5 8. d4 Rb8 9. Qa6 Rb6 10. Qd3 Ng6 11. h3 Be6 12. Nf3 Bd6 13. h4 h5 14. b3 Nf6 15. Bg5 O-O 16. e3 Re8 17. Kf1 Bg4 18. Ne1 Bb4 19. Na4 Rb8 20. Nc2 Be7 21. f3 Be6 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Kf2 Nd7 24. Ne6 Qa5 25. Bxe7 Rxe7 26. b4 Qb6 27. Ng5 Ba6 28. Qa3 Rbe8 29. Bf1 Bxf1 30. Raxf1 Qc7 31. Qd3 a5 32. a3 axb4 33. axb4 Qd6 34. Rfg1 Nb6 35. Qf5 Nf8 36. Re1 Nc4 37. Nh3 Ra7 38. Qxh5 Ra2 39. Re2 Qe7 40. e4 dxe4 41. fxe4 Qd7 42. Ng5 f6 43. Nf3 Nd6 44. Nfe1 Rxe4 45. Qf3 Qe6 46. Rxe4 Nxe4+ 47. Kg1 Rb2 48. Rh2 Rb3 49. Nd3 f5 50. Qf1 Ng3 51. Qd1 Qc4 52. Nce1 Ne4 53. Ne5 Qc3


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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by mmt » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:30 am

Ovyron wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:34 am
I had nothing on 53.Ne5, devoting all my resources to 53.Nc5. Evals jumped from the -4.50s to the -5.60 after this move.
In my SF with EGTBs, Nc5 goes to -10.0, -11.2, -12.3, -14.0, -14.8, -16.2, -19.5 in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 10 minutes, so I'm quite sure it's not the move that drags it out the longest. I looked at two lines for the last move but LC0 is pretty useless now as it doesn't see deep enough, so I just went with the move that SF liked the most and LC0 didn't hate. I'll just use SF from now on also.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by jp » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:46 am

Ovyron wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:34 am
5nk1/6p1/2p5/4Np2/1P1Pn2P/1rq5/7R/3QN1K1 w - -
Komodo 13.2, depth 27: -3.23 (N5d3).

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by mmt » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:12 am

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 e6 5. Qxb7 Nd7 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. cxd5 exd5 8. d4 Rb8 9. Qa6 Rb6 10. Qd3 Ng6 11. h3 Be6 12. Nf3 Bd6 13. h4 h5 14. b3 Nf6 15. Bg5 O-O 16. e3 Re8 17. Kf1 Bg4 18. Ne1 Bb4 19. Na4 Rb8 20. Nc2 Be7 21. f3 Be6 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Kf2 Nd7 24. Ne6 Qa5 25. Bxe7 Rxe7 26. b4 Qb6 27. Ng5 Ba6 28. Qa3 Rbe8 29. Bf1 Bxf1 30. Raxf1 Qc7 31. Qd3 a5 32. a3 axb4 33. axb4 Qd6 34. Rfg1 Nb6 35. Qf5 Nf8 36. Re1 Nc4 37. Nh3 Ra7 38. Qxh5 Ra2 39. Re2 Qe7 40. e4 dxe4 41. fxe4 Qd7 42. Ng5 f6 43. Nf3 Nd6 44. Nfe1 Rxe4 45. Qf3 Qe6 46. Rxe4 Nxe4+ 47. Kg1 Rb2 48. Rh2 Rb3 49. Nd3 f5 50. Qf1 Ng3 51. Qd1 Qc4 52. Nce1 Ne4 53. Ne5 Qc3 54. Rg2


SF at -9.01.

If Qe3+ then Kf1.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by jp » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:57 pm

mmt wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:12 am
5nk1/6p1/2p5/4Np2/1P1Pn2P/1rq5/6R1/3QN1K1 b - - 3 2
Komodo 13.02, depth 27: -3.43
SF10, depth 27: -5.08

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Ovyron » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:45 pm

mmt wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:12 am
Rg2
So I'll be using about 4 minutes per position from now on, it seems. I'm not brave enough to use less depth than this.

35 4:25 -6.52 55...Ng3+ 56.Rxg3 Qxg3 57.N1d3 Ra3 58.Qc1 Qh3+ 59.Kg1 Ra4 60.Ne1 Qxh4 61.N5f3 Qe4 62.Qc2 Ra1 63.Qc3 Rb1 64.Kf2 Ne6 65.Ng2 Nf4 66.Qc4+ Nd5 67.Qe2 Nf6 68.Qxe4 Nxe4+ (687.797.779) 2589 TB:535.220

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 e6 5. Qxb7 Nd7 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. cxd5 exd5 8. d4 Rb8 9. Qa6 Rb6 10. Qd3 Ng6 11. h3 Be6 12. Nf3 Bd6 13. h4 h5 14. b3 Nf6 15. Bg5 O-O 16. e3 Re8 17. Kf1 Bg4 18. Ne1 Bb4 19. Na4 Rb8 20. Nc2 Be7 21. f3 Be6 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Kf2 Nd7 24. Ne6 Qa5 25. Bxe7 Rxe7 26. b4 Qb6 27. Ng5 Ba6 28. Qa3 Rbe8 29. Bf1 Bxf1 30. Raxf1 Qc7 31. Qd3 a5 32. a3 axb4 33. axb4 Qd6 34. Rfg1 Nb6 35. Qf5 Nf8 36. Re1 Nc4 37. Nh3 Ra7 38. Qxh5 Ra2 39. Re2 Qe7 40. e4 dxe4 41. fxe4 Qd7 42. Ng5 f6 43. Nf3 Nd6 44. Nfe1 Rxe4 45. Qf3 Qe6 46. Rxe4 Nxe4+ 47. Kg1 Rb2 48. Rh2 Rb3 49. Nd3 f5 50. Qf1 Ng3 51. Qd1 Qc4 52. Nce1 Ne4 53. Ne5 Qc3 54. Rg2 Qe3+ 55. Kf1 Ng3+


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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by mmt » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:09 pm

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 e6 5. Qxb7 Nd7 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. cxd5 exd5 8. d4 Rb8 9. Qa6 Rb6 10. Qd3 Ng6 11. h3 Be6 12. Nf3 Bd6 13. h4 h5 14. b3 Nf6 15. Bg5 O-O 16. e3 Re8 17. Kf1 Bg4 18. Ne1 Bb4 19. Na4 Rb8 20. Nc2 Be7 21. f3 Be6 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Kf2 Nd7 24. Ne6 Qa5 25. Bxe7 Rxe7 26. b4 Qb6 27. Ng5 Ba6 28. Qa3 Rbe8 29. Bf1 Bxf1 30. Raxf1 Qc7 31. Qd3 a5 32. a3 axb4 33. axb4 Qd6 34. Rfg1 Nb6 35. Qf5 Nf8 36. Re1 Nc4 37. Nh3 Ra7 38. Qxh5 Ra2 39. Re2 Qe7 40. e4 dxe4 41. fxe4 Qd7 42. Ng5 f6 43. Nf3 Nd6 44. Nfe1 Rxe4 45. Qf3 Qe6 46. Rxe4 Nxe4+ 47. Kg1 Rb2 48. Rh2 Rb3 49. Nd3 f5 50. Qf1 Ng3 51. Qd1 Qc4 52. Nce1 Ne4 53. Ne5 Qc3 54. Rg2 Qe3+ 55. Kf1 Ng3+ 56. Rxg3


And if as expected:

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 e6 5. Qxb7 Nd7 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. cxd5 exd5 8. d4 Rb8 9. Qa6 Rb6 10. Qd3 Ng6 11. h3 Be6 12. Nf3 Bd6 13. h4 h5 14. b3 Nf6 15. Bg5 O-O 16. e3 Re8 17. Kf1 Bg4 18. Ne1 Bb4 19. Na4 Rb8 20. Nc2 Be7 21. f3 Be6 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Kf2 Nd7 24. Ne6 Qa5 25. Bxe7 Rxe7 26. b4 Qb6 27. Ng5 Ba6 28. Qa3 Rbe8 29. Bf1 Bxf1 30. Raxf1 Qc7 31. Qd3 a5 32. a3 axb4 33. axb4 Qd6 34. Rfg1 Nb6 35. Qf5 Nf8 36. Re1 Nc4 37. Nh3 Ra7 38. Qxh5 Ra2 39. Re2 Qe7 40. e4 dxe4 41. fxe4 Qd7 42. Ng5 f6 43. Nf3 Nd6 44. Nfe1 Rxe4 45. Qf3 Qe6 46. Rxe4 Nxe4+ 47. Kg1 Rb2 48. Rh2 Rb3 49. Nd3 f5 50. Qf1 Ng3 51. Qd1 Qc4 52. Nce1 Ne4 53. Ne5 Qc3 54. Rg2 Qe3+ 55. Kf1 Ng3+ 56. Rxg3 Qxg3 57. N5d3


SF at -12.6.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by jp » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:44 am

mmt wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:09 pm
5nk1/6p1/2p5/5p2/1P1P3P/1r1N2q1/8/3QNK2 b - - 1 2
After the condition,
Komodo 13.2, depth 29: -3.64.
SF10, depth 29 [33]: -5.14 [-5.19].

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