mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Ovyron » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:51 pm

mmt wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:30 pm
SF sees a mate!
Alright. Since you're not resigning that means you want the game to last as long as possible. I don't mind! From now on I'll demonstrate how all winning moves are equal, so it's the losing player who must decide if it's worth it to keep throwing resources into the game. Those people trying to find fastest mates are insane!

I'll purposely play really badly so the game lasts as much as you want, the kitten can play with its food!

35/56 5:15 -5.07 59...Ne7 60.dxc6 Rxc6 61.Qd8+ Kf7 62.h5 Qd6 63.Qxd6 Rxd6 64.Nfd3 Nd5 65.b5 Kf6 66.Nf3 Nc3 67.Nf4 Nxb5 68.h6 gxh6 69.Ke1 Nc7 70.Nh5+ Kg6 71.Nf4+ Kf7 72.Nh5 Rd5 (774.996.746) 2455 TB:1.137.977

(after excluding Nf4, Qxh4, Ne5 and Qd6, known as better)

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 e6 5. Qxb7 Nd7 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. cxd5 exd5 8. d4 Rb8 9. Qa6 Rb6 10. Qd3 Ng6 11. h3 Be6 12. Nf3 Bd6 13. h4 h5 14. b3 Nf6 15. Bg5 O-O 16. e3 Re8 17. Kf1 Bg4 18. Ne1 Bb4 19. Na4 Rb8 20. Nc2 Be7 21. f3 Be6 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Kf2 Nd7 24. Ne6 Qa5 25. Bxe7 Rxe7 26. b4 Qb6 27. Ng5 Ba6 28. Qa3 Rbe8 29. Bf1 Bxf1 30. Raxf1 Qc7 31. Qd3 a5 32. a3 axb4 33. axb4 Qd6 34. Rfg1 Nb6 35. Qf5 Nf8 36. Re1 Nc4 37. Nh3 Ra7 38. Qxh5 Ra2 39. Re2 Qe7 40. e4 dxe4 41. fxe4 Qd7 42. Ng5 f6 43. Nf3 Nd6 44. Nfe1 Rxe4 45. Qf3 Qe6 46. Rxe4 Nxe4+ 47. Kg1 Rb2 48. Rh2 Rb3 49. Nd3 f5 50. Qf1 Ng3 51. Qd1 Qc4 52. Nce1 Ne4 53. Ne5 Qc3 54. Rg2 Qe3+ 55. Kf1 Ng3+ 56. Rxg3 Qxg3 57. N5d3 Rc3 58. Nf2 Ng6 59. d5 Ne7?


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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Zenmastur » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:23 pm

Ovyron wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:51 pm
mmt wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:30 pm
SF sees a mate!
Alright. Since you're not resigning that means you want the game to last as long as possible. I don't mind! From now on I'll demonstrate how all winning moves are equal, so it's the losing player who must decide if it's worth it to keep throwing resources into the game. Those people trying to find fastest mates are insane!
He's playing on because, I suspect, JP didn't want him to resign too early. I think this game has had it's due. Time to move on IMHO.

Regards,

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by mmt » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:56 pm

Zenmastur wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:23 pm
He's playing on because, I suspect, JP didn't want him to resign too early. I think this game has had it's due. Time to move on IMHO.
Exactly.

Yeah, I think once you can see a mate with programs, it's enough. I resign.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Ovyron » Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:37 pm

Thanks for the game mmt! I was wishing for an opponent that would defend 1.g4 so that all my analysis wouldn't go to waste, so I was very happy when you appeared! I actually panicked secretly at the beginning of the game, because I couldn't find any win, and my advantage was growing slower than Harvey's advantage against me, but in the end >95% of the moves played themselves and I had no effect on them (I hold that if there was a drawing trap, I could have seen, and avoided it, but most of my analysis of alternative lines had no effect on the game.)

gg

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by mmt » Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:17 am

Thanks, good game! I learned quite a bit about LC0's and SF's evaluation and their blind spots. There were some very deep moves in this game that required perfect accuracy.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by jp » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:26 am

mmt wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:30 pm
SF sees a mate!
mmt wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:56 pm
Yeah, I think once you can see a mate with programs, it's enough. I resign.
Thanks, guys. Can you please post the mate it sees?
That would be a fitting end to the game.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Zenmastur » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:00 am

jp wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:26 am
mmt wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:30 pm
SF sees a mate!
mmt wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:56 pm
Yeah, I think once you can see a mate with programs, it's enough. I resign.
Thanks, guys. Can you please post the mate it sees?
That would be a fitting end to the game.
Here is the mate I had from this position:


Code: Select all

( [Stockfish 11 64 POPCNT] 75:M36 1...Ng6 2.d5 Nf4 3.dxc6 Rxc6 4.Qf3 Qxf3 5.Nxf3 Rc1+ 6.Ne1 Kh7 7.b5 Rb1 8.b6 Rxb6 9.Nd1 Rb1 10.Nc3 Rc1 11.Na2 Ra1 12.Nb4 Rb1 13.Nc2 Nd3 14.Ke2 Rxe1+ 15.Kxd3 Re4 16.Ne3 Kg6 17.h5+ Kg5 18.Nf1 Re1 19.Ne3 Rxe3+ 20.Kxe3 Kg4 21.Kf2 Kxh5 22.Kg3 g5 23.Kf3 f4 24.Ke4 Kg4 25.Kd3 Kg3 26.Kc4 f3 27.Kd5 f2 28.Kd6 g4 29.Ke5 Kh4 30.Kd5 g3 31.Kd4 g2 32.Kc3 g1=Q 33.Kc2 f1=Q 34.Kc3 Qc5+ 35.Kb2 Qfc1+ 36.Kb3 Q5a3# )
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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by jp » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:15 am

Thanks. Is "75" the depth?

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Zenmastur » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:27 am

jp wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:15 am
Thanks. Is "75" the depth?
Yes.
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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by drewdrew » Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:35 pm

Zenmastur wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:00 am
jp wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:26 am
mmt wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:30 pm
SF sees a mate!
mmt wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:56 pm
Yeah, I think once you can see a mate with programs, it's enough. I resign.
Thanks, guys. Can you please post the mate it sees?
That would be a fitting end to the game.
Here is the mate I had from this position:


Code: Select all

( [Stockfish 11 64 POPCNT] 75:M36 1...Ng6 2.d5 Nf4 3.dxc6 Rxc6 4.Qf3 Qxf3 5.Nxf3 Rc1+ 6.Ne1 Kh7 7.b5 Rb1 8.b6 Rxb6 9.Nd1 Rb1 10.Nc3 Rc1 11.Na2 Ra1 12.Nb4 Rb1 13.Nc2 Nd3 14.Ke2 Rxe1+ 15.Kxd3 Re4 16.Ne3 Kg6 17.h5+ Kg5 18.Nf1 Re1 19.Ne3 Rxe3+ 20.Kxe3 Kg4 21.Kf2 Kxh5 22.Kg3 g5 23.Kf3 f4 24.Ke4 Kg4 25.Kd3 Kg3 26.Kc4 f3 27.Kd5 f2 28.Kd6 g4 29.Ke5 Kh4 30.Kd5 g3 31.Kd4 g2 32.Kc3 g1=Q 33.Kc2 f1=Q 34.Kc3 Qc5+ 35.Kb2 Qfc1+ 36.Kb3 Q5a3# )
Stockfish-dev sees a mate in 34: Ng6 2. d5 Nf4 3. d6 Nh3 4. Ned3 Qxd6 5. Qe1 Nxf2 6. Nxf2 Rc4 7. Qe8+ Kh7 8. Qh5+ Qh6 9. Qxf5+ Qg6 10. Qf3 Rxb4 11. Ke2 Rb2+ 12. Kf1 Rxf2+ 13. Kxf2 Qf6 14. Qxf6 gxf6 15. Kg2 c5 16. Kf3 Kg6 17. Ke3 Kh5 18. Ke4 Kxh4 19. Kf4 c4 20. Kf3 f5 21. Kf4 c3 22. Ke3 f4+ 23. Ke2 Kg5 24. Kd3 f3 25. Kxc3 f2 26. Kd4 f1=Q 27. Kc5 Qf4 28. Kb5 Qd4 29. Kc6 Qb4 30. Kd7 Qc5 31. Ke6 Kg6 32. Kd7 Kf6 33. Kd8 Ke6 34. Ke8 Qe7#

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