Zenmastur vs Ovyron No it's not another GROB II!

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Re: Zenmastur vs Ovyron No it's not another GROB II!

Post by Zenmastur » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:22 am

Ovyron wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:51 pm
Zenmastur wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:16 pm
I'd be happy if the evaluation was actually that good!
Now I'd be curious to know how alternatives to 3...f4?! compared :shock:

Also, after the discussions on another thread, I'm making my protest against the PGN standard and removing '[SetUp "1"]' from the game notation, because as Dann has pointed out, stating a FEN should be enough to declare that the game is being started from... the FEN.

[FEN "4r3/5pk1/1q1r1p1p/1p1Pn2Q/1Pp4P/6P1/5PB1/R3R1K1 b - -"]

1... f5 2. Qd1 Rdd8 3. Re3 f4 4. gxf4 Nd3 5. Rxd3 cxd3 6. Qxd3 Qf6 7. Rd1 Qxf4 8. Qxb5 Qxh4 9. Qc5 Re6 10. Qc3+ Rf6 11. Qd4 Qxd4 12. Rxd4 Kf8 13. b5 Ke7

1... f5 2. Qd1 Rdd8 3. Re3 f4 4. gxf4 Nd3 5. Rxd3 cxd3 6. Qxd3 Qf6 7. Rd1 Qxf4 8. Qxb5 Qxh4 9. Qc5 Re6 10. Qc3+ Rf6 11. Qd4 Qxd4 12. Rxd4 Kf8 13. b5 Ke7 14.Rd1

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Re: Zenmastur vs Ovyron No it's not another GROB II!

Post by Ovyron » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:19 pm

Zenmastur wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:22 am
14.Rd1
[FEN "4r3/5pk1/1q1r1p1p/1p1Pn2Q/1Pp4P/6P1/5PB1/R3R1K1 b - -"]

1... f5 2. Qd1 Rdd8 3. Re3 f4 4. gxf4 Nd3 5. Rxd3 cxd3 6. Qxd3 Qf6 7. Rd1 Qxf4 8. Qxb5 Qxh4 9. Qc5 Re6 10. Qc3+ Rf6 11. Qd4 Qxd4 12. Rxd4 Kf8 13. b5 Ke7 14. Rd1 Rb8


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Re: Zenmastur vs Ovyron No it's not another GROB II!

Post by Zenmastur » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:24 pm

Ovyron wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:19 pm
Zenmastur wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:22 am
14.Rd1
[FEN "4r3/5pk1/1q1r1p1p/1p1Pn2Q/1Pp4P/6P1/5PB1/R3R1K1 b - -"]

1... f5 2. Qd1 Rdd8 3. Re3 f4 4. gxf4 Nd3 5. Rxd3 cxd3 6. Qxd3 Qf6 7. Rd1 Qxf4 8. Qxb5 Qxh4 9. Qc5 Re6 10. Qc3+ Rf6 11. Qd4 Qxd4 12. Rxd4 Kf8 13. b5 Ke7 14. Rd1 Rb8

1... f5 2. Qd1 Rdd8 3. Re3 f4 4. gxf4 Nd3 5. Rxd3 cxd3 6. Qxd3 Qf6 7. Rd1 Qxf4 8. Qxb5 Qxh4 9. Qc5 Re6 10. Qc3+ Rf6 11. Qd4 Qxd4 12. Rxd4 Kf8 13. b5 Ke7 14. Rd1 Rb8 15.Rb1


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Re: Zenmastur vs Ovyron No it's not another GROB II!

Post by Ovyron » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:58 am

Zenmastur wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:24 pm
15.Rb1
[FEN "4r3/5pk1/1q1r1p1p/1p1Pn2Q/1Pp4P/6P1/5PB1/R3R1K1 b - -"]

1... f5 2. Qd1 Rdd8 3. Re3 f4 4. gxf4 Nd3 5. Rxd3 cxd3 6. Qxd3 Qf6 7. Rd1 Qxf4 8. Qxb5 Qxh4 9. Qc5 Re6 10. Qc3+ Rf6 11. Qd4 Qxd4 12. Rxd4 Kf8 13. b5 Ke7 14. Rd1 Rb8 15. Rb1 Rbb6


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Re: Zenmastur vs Ovyron No it's not another GROB II!

Post by jp » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:17 pm

Ovyron wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:58 am
8/4kp2/1r3r1p/1P1P4/8/8/5PB1/1R4K1 w - -
Komodo 13.2, depth 30: -1.48. 8-)

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Re: Zenmastur vs Ovyron No it's not another GROB II!

Post by Alayan » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:35 am

My unassisted home SF with 5-men TB has a high evaluation for black but can't find a clear win, unchanged eval from depth 61 to 72. 6 and 7-men could help massively here I suspect.

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Re: Zenmastur vs Ovyron No it's not another GROB II!

Post by Ovyron » Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:44 pm

Alayan wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:35 am
6 and 7-men could help massively here I suspect.
I was able to find a clear win without those. Just play actual games and understand why some moves work and others don't, then you can win as black without engine assistance. I believe I can make an outstanding claim after I capture the d pawn.

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Re: Zenmastur vs Ovyron No it's not another GROB II!

Post by jp » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:35 am

Ovyron wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:44 pm
I believe I can make an outstanding claim after I capture the d pawn.
What do you mean by "outstanding claim"? Announce mate in N??

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Re: Zenmastur vs Ovyron No it's not another GROB II!

Post by Zenmastur » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:00 am

Ovyron wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:58 am
Zenmastur wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:24 pm
15.Rb1
[FEN "4r3/5pk1/1q1r1p1p/1p1Pn2Q/1Pp4P/6P1/5PB1/R3R1K1 b - -"]

1... f5 2. Qd1 Rdd8 3. Re3 f4 4. gxf4 Nd3 5. Rxd3 cxd3 6. Qxd3 Qf6 7. Rd1 Qxf4 8. Qxb5 Qxh4 9. Qc5 Re6 10. Qc3+ Rf6 11. Qd4 Qxd4 12. Rxd4 Kf8 13. b5 Ke7 14. Rd1 Rb8 15. Rb1 Rbb6


1... f5 2. Qd1 Rdd8 3. Re3 f4 4. gxf4 Nd3 5. Rxd3 cxd3 6. Qxd3 Qf6 7. Rd1 Qxf4 8. Qxb5 Qxh4 9. Qc5 Re6 10. Qc3+ Rf6 11. Qd4 Qxd4 12. Rxd4 Kf8 13. b5 Ke7 14. Rd1 Rb8 15. Rb1 Rbb6 16.Bf1

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Re: Zenmastur vs Ovyron No it's not another GROB II!

Post by Ovyron » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:28 am

Zenmastur wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:00 am
16.Bf1
[FEN "4r3/5pk1/1q1r1p1p/1p1Pn2Q/1Pp4P/6P1/5PB1/R3R1K1 b - -"]

1... f5 2. Qd1 Rdd8 3. Re3 f4 4. gxf4 Nd3 5. Rxd3 cxd3 6. Qxd3 Qf6 7. Rd1 Qxf4 8. Qxb5 Qxh4 9. Qc5 Re6 10. Qc3+ Rf6 11. Qd4 Qxd4 12. Rxd4 Kf8 13. b5 Ke7 14. Rd1 Rb8 15. Rb1 Rbb6 16. Bf1 Rf5


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