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SPCC: Testrun of Komodo 14 finished

Post by pohl4711 » Wed May 20, 2020 11:53 am

AB-testrun of Komodo 14 finished. Finally Komodo could pass Houdini 6 and is now the world's #2 AB-engine. Komodo 14 MCTS testrun will follow after the testrun of Stockfish 200519.
Not only, Komodo 14 passed Houdini 6 in my ratinglist, but Komodo could win vs. Houdini 6 the first time in the head-to-head:
Komodo 14 vs. Houdini 6 pext : 1000 (+199,=644,-157), 52.1 %
Komodo 13.3 vs. Houdini 6 pext : 1000 (+182,=632,-186), 49.8 %

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Re: SPCC: Testrun of Komodo 14 finished

Post by mehmet123 » Wed May 20, 2020 12:40 pm

It seems impossible to catch Stockfish for Komodo now. The difference between Stockfish Dev and Komodo is a huge number like 131 elo.

This situation will negatively affect the motivation of Komodo authors. Because the development of Houdini engine has stopped and Ethereal and Xiphos engines are far behind of Komodo.

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Re: SPCC: Testrun of Komodo 14 finished

Post by Raphexon » Wed May 20, 2020 1:26 pm

mehmet123 wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 12:40 pm
It seems impossible to catch Stockfish for Komodo now. The difference between Stockfish Dev and Komodo is a huge number like 131 elo.

This situation will negatively affect the motivation of Komodo authors. Because the development of Houdini engine has stopped and Ethereal and Xiphos engines are far behind of Komodo.
There's more to chess engines than just having the most ELO.

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Re: SPCC: Testrun of Komodo 14 finished

Post by lkaufman » Wed May 20, 2020 6:41 pm

mehmet123 wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 12:40 pm
It seems impossible to catch Stockfish for Komodo now. The difference between Stockfish Dev and Komodo is a huge number like 131 elo.

This situation will negatively affect the motivation of Komodo authors. Because the development of Houdini engine has stopped and Ethereal and Xiphos engines are far behind of Komodo.
We are dealing with this in three ways:

1. Adding new features to Komodo
2. Developing the MCTS version, which has a good claim to being the top engine vs. humans (at least with handicaps, the only way they have a chance), and also a good claim to being the top CPU based engine when they are using Multi-PV of 5 or more.
3. Working on NN hybrid version, which could realistically pass Stockfish in the next year if we're lucky, although this is partly a chess.com project so it's not under our sole control.
Komodo rules!

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Re: SPCC: Testrun of Komodo 14 finished

Post by mehmet123 » Wed May 20, 2020 8:48 pm

lkaufman wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 6:41 pm
3. Working on NN hybrid version, which could realistically pass Stockfish in the next year if we're lucky, although this is partly a chess.com project so it's not under our sole control.
Is it Lc0 (0 to X move) + Komodo (X to Y move) engine . If it is so we will see another official NN hybrid Lc0 (0 to X move) + Stockfish (X to Y move)

I think in the near future it can come a new Lc0 version developed by running the end of the games.

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Re: SPCC: Testrun of Komodo 14 finished

Post by lkaufman » Fri May 22, 2020 5:44 am

mehmet123 wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 8:48 pm
lkaufman wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 6:41 pm
3. Working on NN hybrid version, which could realistically pass Stockfish in the next year if we're lucky, although this is partly a chess.com project so it's not under our sole control.
Is it Lc0 (0 to X move) + Komodo (X to Y move) engine . If it is so we will see another official NN hybrid Lc0 (0 to X move) + Stockfish (X to Y move)

I think in the near future it can come a new Lc0 version developed by running the end of the games.
It won't be anything that simple, and we hope it will use a chess.com NN rather than Lc0, although that remains to be seen.
Komodo rules!

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Re: SPCC: Testrun of Komodo 14 finished

Post by mehmet123 » Fri May 22, 2020 4:07 pm

A new NN engine sounds good. Tough competition will come back. Maybe we will see some new strong engines in near future.

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