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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k

Post by Alayan » Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:30 pm

Frank Quisinsky wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:35 pm
Hi,

not sure which of the tables you have the problems!
Here : http://www.amateurschach.de/klaus/fcp-t ... ts-rd1.htm

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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:09 pm

Hi Alayan,

ah, I understand.
I wrote a mail to Klaus ...
Maybe Klaus can try to make this table better.

But in this case you should try out the Exel file from Klaus.
Here you can find a lot more information as you can see on my web site.

You need Excel 2010 or higher!

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Frank
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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k

Post by Klaus Wlotzka » Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:45 pm

Hi Alayan,

i have looked at the html files with different browsers. In my case all crosstabs look good, I do not recognize any text flows within neighboring cells.
The spaces between the results "+ = -" improve the readability of the data.
I don't know how I can help at the moment.
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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:49 pm

Image

For a higher resolution:

https://www.amateurschach.de/t2020/comm ... -klaus.jpg

OK, is a very big table, I go to the end of the table and made a screen with Google Chrome.
With Edge and Firefox (current versions) I can't see a problem.

That's really bad because we like it to give helps but Klaus and I have no idea what we can do here!

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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k

Post by Alayan » Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:52 pm

I get this with Firefox 76 :

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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:51 pm

Hi there,

now the results from round 24 out of 50 are available.

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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:46 pm

Hi there,

now the results from round 25 of 50 are available.
Each of 41 engines played 1.000 games.
20.500 of 41.000 games played.

From September 07th, - October 31st, 2020 no updates on my website will be available but the tournament is still running.
Most of time I am not at home and can't make updates.

Frank's Chess Page
https://www.amateurschach.de

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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:23 pm

Hi there,

some comments:

Most fun I have with my favorite program Wasp. Only 6 of 1.000 games lost below 60 moves. No game lost with white below 60 moves. Wasp is extremly strong in openings because such a white lost statistic have only different of TOP-10 engines. And Wasp is around 350 Elo weaker as Stockfish! For myself the program simulate the best human-style.

Stockfish lost 3 of 1.000 games only. Extremly strong from late middlegame - transposition into endgame. I have here a lot of fun in looking Stockfish games. Sensational, only 3 games lost! Stockfish won 21 of 25 rounds. The complete statistics from Stockish are sensational.

Also very strong plays Fizbo and Booot in king attacks and speculative aggressives moves. Here Andscacs is strong too. That's what human like to see, so I am thinking all of this engines comes with a great playing style.

From the "for me" newer engines never tested in detail before is Schooner, Ethereal, Xiphos and Defenchess interesting. Playing styles are absolutely nice for looking. Winter is interesting for some reasons too. Arasan is much more aggressive as in versions I test before. Pedone comes around with the same playing style Wasp like to play. The older Chiron is for a supprised King attack all the time very danger. Many of programs plays wounderful computer chess.

A bit disappointed from the passive Hanniball, Equinox and Nirvanachess style. Rybka lost a lot of games very fast (for the high playing strength very bad stats in king safty).

Komodo plays the pure endgame fantastic, here Shredder is very strong too. Also in king attacks Komodo is much stronger as earlier versions I tested with FCP Rating-List. Maybe Komodo can play all the different opening systems with most knowledge. Often my impression if I am looking in complicated systems like king indian or dutch. Andscacs is here also very strong and for sure ... Wasp!!

Short lost / won statistics:

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Statistics to short won / draw games:
After round 25 out of 50 = 1.000 games per engine

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1.100 of 20.500 = 5,36% : Fast won/lost games below 60 moves (with mate ended)
  750 of 20.500 = 3,65% : Fast draw games below 40 moves

                                  won59 lost59 draw39        won59w won59b lost59w lost59b
01. Stockfish 11 BMI2 x64           129      0     38            89     40       0       0
02. Houdini 6.03 Pro x64             85      0     26            60     25       0       0
03. Komodo 14.0 BMI2 x64             82      0     46            59     23       0       0
04. Ethereal 12.25 PEXT x64          59      0     37            36     23       0       0
05. SlowChess BC 2.2 x64             57      2     48            41     16       0       2
06. Booot 6.4 POP x64                54      0     56            38     16       0       0
07. Andscacs 0.95 BMI2 x64           48      7     42            28     20       3       4
08. Fizbo 2.0 BMI2 x64               47     14     36            29     18       3      11
09. Xiphos 0.6 BMI2 x64              45      0     41            39      6       0       0
10. Fritz 17 (Ginkgo) x64            40      6     33            23     17       1       5
11. Defenchess 2.2 POP x64           39      2     42            27     12       0       2
12. Schooner 2.2 SSE x64             36      1     45            23     13       1       0
13. Laser 1.7 BMI2 x64               35      0     42            21     14       0       0
14. Fire 7.1 POP x64                 30      2     49            23      7       0       2
15. rofChade 2.3 BMI x64             26      6     35            16     10       1       5
16. Arasan 22.0 BMI2 x64             25     17     38            21      4       8       9
17. Pedone 2.0 BMI2 x64              23     18     29            16      7       6      12
18. Chiron 4 x64                     23     20     30            19      4       7      13
19. Wasp 4.00 Modern x64             20      6     34            14      6       0       6
20. Shredder 13 x64                  17     11     38            14      3       0      11
21. RubiChess 1.7.3 x64              16     11     49            11      5       3       8
22. Protector 1.9.0 x64              13     34     35             8      5      12      22
23. Vajolet2 2.8 BMI2 x64            12     14     40             8      4       4      10
24. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64           12     23     33            11      1       6      17
25. Texel 1.07 BMI2 x64              11     37     30             9      2      10      27
26. Nemorino 5.00 BMI2 x64           11     39     24             9      2      14      25
27. Fritz 16 (Rybka) x64             11     58     38             8      3      18      40
28. Winter 0.8 x64                   11     65     26             5      6      16      49
29. Critter 1.6a x64                 10     37     31             7      3      14      23
30. Demolito 2020-05-14 PEXT x64      9     32     17             6      3       8      24
31. Nirvanachess 2.4 POP x64          9     38     49             6      3      11      27
32. Igel 2.5.0 BMI2 x64               7     30     45             4      3      10      20
33. iCE 4.0 v853 Modern x64           7     36     34             6      1      10      26
34. SmarThink 1.98 AVX2 x64           7     96     25             3      4      26      70
35. Equinox 3.30 x64                  6     45     33             4      2      15      30
36. Minic 2.33 x64                    6     68     34             4      2      15      53
37. Senpai 2.0 BMI2 x64               6     69     36             4      2      29      40
38. Hannibal 1.7 x64                  4     43     25             3      1      15      28
39. Rodent IV 0.22 POP x64            4     48     39             4      0      16      32
40. Combusken 1.2.0 x64               4     94     32             2      2      28      66
41. Monolith 2 PEXT x64               3     71     40             2      1      30      41

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  349 of 20.500 = 1,70% : Fast won/lost games below 50 moves (with mate ended)
  254 of 20.500 = 1,23% : Fast draw games below 30 moves

                                  won49 lost49 draw29        won49w won49b lost49w lost49b
01. Stockfish 11 BMI2 x64            40      0     17            31      9       0       0
02. Houdini 6.03 Pro x64             32      0      8            24      8       0       0
03. Booot 6.4 POP x64                21      0     19            17      4       0       0
04. Komodo 14.0 BMI2 x64             20      0     18            14      6       0       0
05. SlowChess BC 2.2 x64             19      0     13            12      7       0       0
06. Ethereal 12.25 PEXT x64          18      0     19            13      5       0       0
07. Fizbo 2.0 BMI2 x64               15      5      5             8      7       1       4
08. Fritz 17 (Ginkgo) x64            14      0     10             9      5       0       0
09. Schooner 2.2 SSE x64             14      0     13             9      5       0       0
10. Defenchess 2.2 POP x64           13      0     13            10      3       0       0
11. Andscacs 0.95 BMI2 x64           13      3     10             9      4       1       2
12. Xiphos 0.6 BMI2 x64              12      0     15            10      2       0       0
13. Chiron 4 x64                     11      1      9            10      1       0       1
14. Fire 7.1 POP x64                  9      0     20             7      2       0       0
15. Pedone 2.0 BMI2 x64               8      1      6             4      4       0       1
16. rofChade 2.3 BMI x64              8      1     10             4      4       0       1
17. Wasp 4.00 Modern x64              7      2     11             6      1       0       2
18. Arasan 22.0 BMI2 x64              7      3     10             5      2       2       1
19. Critter 1.6a x64                  7     10     12             5      2       2       8
20. RubiChess 1.7.3 x64               6      0     16             5      1       0       0
21. Laser 1.7 BMI2 x64                6      0     18             2      4       0       0
22. Nemorino 5.00 BMI2 x64            6     11      9             5      1       6       5
23. Protector 1.9.0 x64               5      9     16             3      2       2       7
24. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64            4      8      7             4      0       3       5
25. Texel 1.07 BMI2 x64               4     12     13             4      0       3       9
26. Nirvanachess 2.4 POP x64          3      8     17             2      1       0       8
27. Winter 0.8 x64                    3     20     11             0      3       3      17
28. Minic 2.33 x64                    3     27     11             2      1       5      22
29. Senpai 2.0 BMI2 x64               3     28     12             2      1      11      17
30. Shredder 13 x64                   2      4     13             2      0       0       4
31. Demolito 2020-05-14 PEXT x64      2      6      2             1      1       2       4
32. iCE 4.0 v853 Modern x64           2      8     16             2      0       2       6
33. Igel 2.5.0 BMI2 x64               2     12     12             1      1       5       7
34. Monolith 2 PEXT x64               2     15     16             2      0       5      10
35. Equinox 3.30 x64                  2     17     16             2      0       7      10
36. SmarThink 1.98 AVX2 x64           2     25      8             0      2       7      18
37. Fritz 16 (Rybka) x64              2     28     10             1      1       8      20
38. Vajolet2 2.8 BMI2 x64             1      7     12             1      0       1       6
39. Hannibal 1.7 x64                  1     13      6             1      0       3      10
40. Rodent IV 0.22 POP x64            0     14     16             0      0       3      11
41. Combusken 1.2.0 x64               0     51     13             0      0      18      33
Best
Frank

Now the next 1.000 games will be play!
Can be interesting to compare later the stats with the first 1.000 games.
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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k

Post by Alayan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:28 pm

Frank Quisinsky wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:23 pm
From the "for me" newer engines never tested in detail before is Schooner, ETChess, Xiphos and Defenchess. Winter is interesting for some reasons too. Arasan is much more aggressive as in versions I test before. Pepito comes around with the same playing style Wasp like. The older Chrion is for a supprised King attack all the time interesting. So many of programs plays wounderful computer chess.
ETChess ? You meant to write Ethereal and SlowChess, I assume ?

And keep up this nice tournament !

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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:30 pm

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  FCP Tourney-2020
  ----------------

  Date           : September 06th, 2020 (20:30)
  Games          : 20.500
  Version        : 25.0, after R25
  Elo            : GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64 = 3035
  Conditions     : http://www.amateurschach.de/main/_fcp-tourney-2020.htm

  Generated with : Ordo 1.2.6 x64 (Ratings for chess and other games)
  https://sites.google.com/site/gaviotachessengine/ordo
  by Miguel A. Ballicora (Argentina)



   # Player                           :      Elo  Games  Score%   won  draw  lost  Points  Draw%   Error   OppAvg   OppE  MoveAvg
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  01. Stockfish 11 BMI2 x64           :  3337.84  1.000    83.3   668   329     3   832.5   32.9   19.53  3032.60  14.57     81.5
  02. Houdini 6.03 Pro x64            :  3266.54  1.000    77.0   557   427    16   770.5   42.7   16.40  3034.38  14.65     82.0
  03. Komodo 14.0 BMI2 x64            :  3264.47  1.000    76.8   557   423    20   768.5   42.3   16.54  3034.43  14.64     79.1
  04. Ethereal 12.25 PEXT x64         :  3206.89  1.000    70.9   452   514    34   709.0   51.4   15.50  3035.87  14.67     92.8
  05. SlowChess BC 2.2 x64            :  3169.72  1.000    66.7   410   513    77   666.5   51.3   15.23  3036.80  14.68     84.3
  06. Fire 7.1 POP x64                :  3163.32  1.000    65.9   389   540    71   657.0   54.0   15.02  3036.96  14.68     87.0
  07. Xiphos 0.6 BMI2 x64             :  3146.17  1.000    63.9   375   527    98   638.5   52.7   14.63  3037.39  14.69     83.7
  08. rofChade 2.3 BMI x64            :  3142.91  1.000    63.5   368   533    99   634.5   53.3   14.70  3037.47  14.69     91.2
  09. Booot 6.4 POP x64               :  3141.37  1.000    63.3   356   553    91   632.5   55.3   14.33  3037.51  14.70     77.7
  10. Laser 1.7 BMI2 x64              :  3132.82  1.000    62.2   351   542   107   622.0   54.2   14.49  3037.72  14.70     86.1
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  11. Shredder 13 x64                 :  3112.36  1.000    59.6   341   511   148   596.5   51.1   14.54  3038.24  14.69     85.5
  12. Fritz 17 (Ginkgo) x64           :  3109.61  1.000    59.3   324   538   138   593,0   53.8   14.45  3038.30  14.70     86.1
  13. Schooner 2.2 SSE x64            :  3102.95  1.000    58.5   293   583   124   584.5   58.3   13.90  3038.47  14.71     86.6
  14. Defenchess 2.2 POP x64          :  3099.90  1.000    58.0   294   573   133   580.5   57.3   14.44  3038.55  14.70     89.2
  15. RubiChess 1.7.3 x64             :  3096.75  1.000    57.6   307   539   154   576.5   53.9   13.73  3038.63  14.72     87.5
  16. Andscacs 0.95 BMI2 x64          :  3089.39  1.000    56.7   296   542   162   567.0   54.2   14.17  3038.81  14.70     85.8
  17. Fizbo 2.0 BMI2 x64              :  3066.57  1.000    53.8   280   515   205   537.5   51.5   14.05  3039.38  14.71     89.4
  18. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64          :  3035.00  1.000    49.6   217   558   225   496.0   55.8   14.41  3040.17  14.70     90.6
  18. Arasan 22.0 BMI2 x64            :  3034.93  1.000    49.6   235   522   243   496.0   52.2   13.76  3040.17  14.71     87.1
  20. Fritz 16 (Rybka) x64            :  3000.33  1.000    45.0   199   503   298   450.5   50.3   14.50  3041.04  14.70     87.1
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  21. Wasp 4.00 Modern x64            :  2999.49  1.000    45.0   185   529   286   449.5   52.9   14.10  3041.06  14.71     88.6
  22. Pedone 2.0 BMI2 x64             :  2994.18  1.000    44.3   178   529   293   442.5   52.9   14.20  3041.19  14.70     87.5
  23. Winter 0.8 x64                  :  2989.97  1.000    43.7   196   482   322   437.0   48.2   13.94  3041.30  14.71     85.6
  24. Vajolet2 2.8 BMI2 x64           :  2988.43  1.000    43.5   172   526   302   435.0   52.6   14.44  3041.33  14.70     89.0
  25. Chiron 4 x64                    :  2980.26  1.000    42.5   169   511   320   424.5   51.1   13.89  3041.54  14.71     89.7
  26. Nirvanachess 2.4 POP x64        :  2977.57  1.000    42.1   150   542   308   421.0   54.2   13.30  3041.61  14.73     85.5
  27. Equinox 3.30 x64                :  2976.48  1.000    42.0   149   541   310   419.5   54.1   14.51  3041.63  14.70     90.1
  28. Igel 2.5.0 BMI2 x64             :  2974.17  1.000    41.6   145   543   312   416.5   54.3   14.04  3041.69  14.71     84.2
  29. Critter 1.6a x64                :  2972.90  1.000    41.5   160   510   330   415.0   51.0   14.37  3041.72  14.70     88.1
  30. Nemorino 5.00 BMI2 x64          :  2966.73  1.000    40.7   175   464   361   407.0   46.4   14.59  3041.88  14.69     90.6
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  31. Protector 1.9.0 x64             :  2951.36  1.000    38.8   144   487   369   387.5   48.7   14.82  3042.26  14.69     87.9
  32. Demolito 2020-05-14 PEXT x64    :  2950.15  1.000    38.6   155   462   383   386.0   46.2   14.54  3042.29  14.69     98.9
  33. iCE 4.0 v853 Modern x64         :  2949.33  1.000    38.5   141   488   371   385.0   48.8   14.10  3042.31  14.71     87.5
  34. Hannibal 1.7 x64                :  2934.20  1.000    36.6   122   488   390   366.0   48.8   14.67  3042.69  14.69     92.5
  35. Minic 2.33 x64                  :  2931.83  1.000    36.3   125   476   399   363.0   47.6   14.10  3042.75  14.71     84.3
  36. Texel 1.07 BMI2 x64             :  2930.97  1.000    36.2   119   486   395   362.0   48.6   14.41  3042.77  14.70     90.5
  37. Senpai 2.0 BMI2 x64             :  2918.26  1.000    34.6   116   461   423   346.5   46.1   14.72  3043.09  14.69     88.4
  38. Combusken 1.2.0 x64             :  2906.32  1.000    33.2   108   448   444   332.0   44.8   14.79  3043.39  14.69     86.0
  39. SmarThink 1.98 AVX2 x64         :  2905.95  1.000    33.1   127   409   464   331.5   40.9   14.81  3043.40  14.69     86.4
  40. Monolith 2 PEXT x64             :  2861.91  1.000    28.1    59   444   497   281.0   44.4   15.98  3044.50  14.66     82.9
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  41. Rodent IV 0.22 POP x64          :  2861.46  1.000    28.1    62   437   501   280.5   43.7   15.73  3044.51  14.67     86.6
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  MoveAvg (average)           : 175.15 / 87.575
  White advantage             : 47.69  +/- 1.71
  Draw rate (equal opponents) : 62.25% +/- 0.41

  Games        :  20.500 (finished)
  White Wins   :   6.285 (30.7%)
  Black Wins   :   3.941 (19.2%)
  Draws        :  10.274 (50.1%)
  Unfinished   :       0

  White Perf.  : 55.7%
  Black Perf.  : 44.3%

  ECO A00-A99  :   3.273 Games (16.0%)
  ECO B00-B99  :   5.301 Games (25.9%)
  ECO C00-C99  :   4.194 Games (20.5%)
  ECO D00-D99  :   4.251 Games (20.7%)
  ECO E00-E99  :   3.481 Games (17.0%)
Here the current ratings after 50%.
I think it made sense to added the information in TalkChess.
But all statistics, ratings, results by round and many other things around the tourney can be found on my webapge and in download *.zip file. Statistics by Klaus Wlotzka (Excel files) can be download on my webpage.

FEOBOS opening stats are perfect!!
All 500 ECO codes played. Around 460 of 500 ECO simulated with current GM theory. The other 40 ECO codes plays more often or more rarely as the current TOP-870 GM like to play. Reason is clear, in FEOBOS are older opening systems inside, with lesser priority as the current opening lines GM like to play. The opening stats are in my opinion perfect. The 33.309 balanced FEOBOS postions to all of the 500 ECO codes works great! The only problem is that B00-B99 I have to often. If I try to make corrections in priorities for Shredder GUI, I have more a weaker results. But with the 5% more B00-B99 lines I can life.

Best
Frank
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