How does perform SF-NNUE vs Lc0 ?

[Vinvin]

I saw very few matches between this 2 engines.

Conditions like :
3min+2sec
200 games
book : short lines (where Lc0 was the best over A/B engines)

RTX 2080 Ti for Lc0
16 cores for SF-NNUE (latest exe + latest NN file)

Could someone run a match like this ?

Thanks,
Vincent

[Jouni]

Everybody has sold their useless GPUs to gamers now.

[Masta]

SF NNUE is just obliterating Lc0. Think with me. If SF was already beating Lc0 as demonstrated at TCEC...imagine now that it was improved in about one weak +110 ELO!!!

[Vinvin]

Everybody has sold their useless GPUs to gamers now.

[Vinvin]

If SF was already beating Lc0 as demonstrated at TCEC

For the last match, a book with long lines was used. This reduces the Lc0 power.

...
imagine now that it was improved in about one weak +110 ELO!!!

I prefer to see results than use my imagination

[ernest]

I prefer to see results than use my imagination

Well, maybe TCEC 19, which just started, will tell us more...
(but I couldn't find anything about which Lc0 and SF will participate)

[pohl4711]

I saw very few matches between this 2 engines.

Conditions like :
3min+2sec
200 games
book : short lines (where Lc0 was the best over A/B engines)

RTX 2080 Ti for Lc0
16 cores for SF-NNUE (latest exe + latest NN file)

Could someone run a match like this ?

Thanks,
Vincent

I am running a 300 games match between Lc0 0.26.1 Leelenstein 15 vs. SF 200807 9931db908a9b with Noomen lowdraw-openings (selected by J.Noomen out of his TCEC-openings (you can not play a match like this with short opening-lines, that would lead to draw-rates around 90%)) with long time: 5min+3sec for Lc0 (and +50% more time for SF nnue, to get a Leela-ratio of 1.0 (measured with SF 8 and Lc0 with old 11260 net, like Leela-ratio should be calculated), because my CPU is not so fast, compared to my RTX 2060).
Result in 3-4 days.
At the moment, it looks like a clear win for SF nnue.

[Modern Times]

Everybody has sold their useless GPUs to gamers now.

I was never tempted to spend hundreds of pound on a high-end GPU and new power supply to run it. Not to mention the electricity bills.

[mwyoung]

Everybody has sold their useless GPUs to gamers now.

I was never tempted to spend hundreds of pound on a high-end GPU and new power supply to run it. Not to mention the electricity bills.

What kind of electric bill do you think you will have? My power is cheap, if I run at full power 24/7 it will cost me less then 30 bucks a month. With a 2950x and a 2080 ti. It cost me more to run my pool pump. That explains CCRL testing.

[mwyoung]

I saw very few matches between this 2 engines.

Conditions like :
3min+2sec
200 games
book : short lines (where Lc0 was the best over A/B engines)

RTX 2080 Ti for Lc0
16 cores for SF-NNUE (latest exe + latest NN file)

Could someone run a match like this ?

Thanks,
Vincent

I can run this test. I have the exact hardware. This will be my next test. So do you want it to play the offical Stockfish NNUE with NNUE enabled? If no answer this is what will be played.