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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Ponti » Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:30 pm

That FF2 8CPU v SF Dev 8CPU (5.2) is a weird game !!
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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Albert Silver » Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:32 am

cc2150dx wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:43 pm
Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Ozymandias » Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:25 am

Albert Silver wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:32 am
cc2150dx wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:43 pm
Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
So that was the question you were worried about.

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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Paul Bedrey » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:32 pm

Albert Silver wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:32 am
cc2150dx wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:43 pm
Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
Albert, sorry to bother you but I just purchased Fat Fritz 2. I have no experience with Fritz 17 interface. Is there somewhere I can go for advice? A video or question and answer board?

I like to play two computers against each other. Program A on one versus B on the other and using a PGN opening file for the start position. So far Fat Fritz 2 only runs using Easy Game. Is that for all chess playing regardless of difficulty? Or can Enter and Analyze be used or is that just for deep analysis only. If so I don't see where I can load a PGN file in Easy Game.

Thanks in advance. My last experience was with Fritz 8 so it's been a long time.

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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Albert Silver » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:24 pm

Ozymandias wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:25 am
Albert Silver wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:32 am
cc2150dx wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:43 pm
Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
So that was the question you were worried about.
Nah, I had not been aware that embedding as SF did would cause such a ruckus, or that it was even an issue since it was in SF releases. I was misinformed, so once made aware of it, I took steps to resolve it. That was obvious, but contempt really was for that reason. Back in July or August I had asked about contempt in Discord and was told that it had no impact with NNUE enabled. So the only purpose of that change was to quash the questions about it. :-)
"Tactics are the bricks and sticks that make up a game, but positional play is the architectural blueprint."

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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Albert Silver » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:29 pm

Paul Bedrey wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:32 pm
Albert Silver wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:32 am
cc2150dx wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:43 pm
Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
Albert, sorry to bother you but I just purchased Fat Fritz 2. I have no experience with Fritz 17 interface. Is there somewhere I can go for advice? A video or question and answer board?

I like to play two computers against each other. Program A on one versus B on the other and using a PGN opening file for the start position. So far Fat Fritz 2 only runs using Easy Game. Is that for all chess playing regardless of difficulty? Or can Enter and Analyze be used or is that just for deep analysis only. If so I don't see where I can load a PGN file in Easy Game.

Thanks in advance. My last experience was with Fritz 8 so it's been a long time.
I should probably do a video explaining this, but for a quick reply here:

1) Enter the program using Classic Menu (Enter and Analyze is the same)
2) At the top go to Engine
3) Select Engine Match or Tournament
4) In the match or tournament setup, on the left will be the option 'Database'. Choose it. Locate the PGN you want to use, and very important: put a check in "Use".

The other options should be fairly self-explanatory.
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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Ozymandias » Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:34 pm

Albert Silver wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:24 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:25 am
Albert Silver wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:32 am
cc2150dx wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:43 pm
Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
So that was the question you were worried about.
Nah, I had not been aware that embedding as SF did would cause such a ruckus, or that it was even an issue since it was in SF releases. I was misinformed, so once made aware of it, I took steps to resolve it. That was obvious, but contempt really was for that reason. Back in July or August I had asked about contempt in Discord and was told that it had no impact with NNUE enabled. So the only purpose of that change was to quash the questions about it. :-)
Misinformed by a third party, CB or self-induced?

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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Albert Silver » Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:05 pm

Ozymandias wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:34 pm
Albert Silver wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:24 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:25 am
Albert Silver wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:32 am
cc2150dx wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:43 pm
Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
So that was the question you were worried about.
Nah, I had not been aware that embedding as SF did would cause such a ruckus, or that it was even an issue since it was in SF releases. I was misinformed, so once made aware of it, I took steps to resolve it. That was obvious, but contempt really was for that reason. Back in July or August I had asked about contempt in Discord and was told that it had no impact with NNUE enabled. So the only purpose of that change was to quash the questions about it. :-)
Misinformed by a third party, CB or self-induced?
All mistakes are my own.
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