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Re: On-line engine blitz tourney August
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:55 pm
by Sven
Jumbo seems to have some tablebase problem, in round 5 against rpiArminius it played a horrible blunder in this simple position (would even be simple without EGTB):
[d]7R/4K3/8/8/7k/8/7p/8 b - - 0 59
59...Kg5??
The good news: I can reproduce the bug so there is hope to find the reason and fix it.
Re: On-line engine blitz tourney August
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:26 am
by jwes
hgm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:21 pm
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:Tourney Players: Round 9 of 9
:
: Name Rating Score Perfrm Upset Results
: ----------------- ------ ----- ------ ------ -------
: 1 +LeelaZero [1971] 13.0 [2234] [ 182] +16w +12w +04b +07b +06w =02b =03b +11w +08w
: 2 -Berta [1991] 11.5 [2080] [ 56] =13w +05b =06w +12w +14b =01w =08b =03w +11b
: 3 +WaspX [2002] 11.0 [2031] [ 49] =04w =08b +13w +14w =05b +07b =01w =02b =06b
: 4 -Schooner [1762] 11.0 [2049] [ 826] =03b +15w -01w =11b +10w =06b +07w =05w +12b
: 5 +RofChade [1729] 10.5 [1980] [ 790] =11b -02w +27w +10b =03w +12b =06w =04b =07w
: 6 +ArasanX [2093] 10.0 [1926] [ 0] +15w +09w =02b =08w -01b =04w =05b =12b =03w
: 7 +NightmareX [2006] 10.0 [1892] [ 0] +10w +14w +11b -01w =08b -03w -04b +21w =05b
: 8 +rpiStockfish [1911] 10.0 [1980] [ 223] +20w =03w +09b =06b =07w -11b =02w +14w -01b
: 9 +Goldbar [1899] 10.0 [1874] [ 28] +21w -06b -08w =20b +15b =14w =11w =10b +16w
: 10 +Marvin [1814] 10.0 [1784] [ 42] -07b =13b +16w -05w -04b +20w +17b =09w +18b
: 11 +WaDuuttie [1956] 9.5 [1841] [ 0] =05w +27b -07w =04w +13b +08w =09b -01b -02w
: 12 -Arminius [1849] 9.5 [1805] [ 122] +17w -01b +21w -02b +16b -05w +13b =06w -04w
: 13 +Pirarucu [1754] 9.5 [1793] [ 202] =02b =10w -03b +17w -11w +22b -12w +24b =14w
: 14 +Baron [1863] 9.0 [1802] [ 18] +33w -07b +20w -03b -02w =09b +15w -08b =13b
: 15 -Tornado [1823] 9.0 [1670] [ 0] -06b -04b +22w +21b -09w +17w -14b -18w +25w
: 16 -Tinker [1744] 9.0 [1661] [ 0] -01b +17w -10b +18b -12w +24w -21b +22w -09b
: 17 +rpiArminius [1583] 9.0 [1638] [ 39] -12b -16b +25w -13b +18w -15b -10w +28b +21w
: 18 -Jumbo [1537] 9.0 [1680] [ 461] -24w +29b +33b -16w -17b +27w +20b +15b -10w
: 19 -RookieMonster [1445] 9.0 [1647] [ 459] -29w +28b +23w =25b =30b +33w =22b =20w +24w
: 20 -tomitankChess [1645] 8.5 [1569] [ 127] -08b +24w -14b =09w =21w -10b -18w =19b +31w
: 21 +atomBaron [1622] 8.5 [1643] [ 133] -09b +33w -12b -15w =20b +29w +16w -07b -17b
: 22 -Nameless [1564] 8.5 [1529] [ 25] -27w +25b -15b =24w +33b -13w =19w -16b +32b
: 23 -Isa [1408] 8.5 [1480] [ 197] =30b +32w -19b -29b =26w +38w +37b +34w +33b
: 24 +rpiMinkoChess [1515] 8.0 [1532] [ 83] +18b -20b =29w =22b +27w -16b +28w -13w -19b
: 25 +Bliep [1507] 8.0 [1529] [ 127] +28b -22w -17b =19w -31b +34w +27b +33w -15b
: 26 +Embla [1293] 8.0 [1355] [ 130] -32w =36b +35b +37w =23b =30w +39b +38w +40w
: 27 +Floyd [1552] 7.5 [1389] [ 12] +22b -11w -05b -33w -24b -18b -25w +39w +35b
: 28 +Spartacus [1500] 7.5 [1376] [ 0] -25w -19w +34b +30w -29b +31w -24b -17w +36b
: 29 +rpiFruit [1455] 7.5 [1453] [ 75] +19b -18w =24b +23w +28w -21b -33b -32w +37b
: 30 +Joker [1440] 7.5 [1314] [ 2] =23w +34w =31b -28b =19w =26b -32w +40b +38w
: 31 +CTdccc [1317] 7.5 [1449] [ 251] -34b +35w =30w +32b +25w -28b +36w +37w -20b
: 32 -Weini [1236] 7.5 [1417] [ 480] +26b -23b +36w -31w +40b +39w +30b +29b -22w
: 33 -Nemeton [1589] 7.0 [1328] [ 0] -14b -21b -18w +27b -22w -19b +29w -25b -23w
: 34 +KingSlayer [1390] 7.0 [1302] [ 0] +31w -30b -28w +38w +35b -25b +40w -23b +39b
: 35 -Skiull [1157] 5.0 [1168] [ 71] +37b -31b -26w +39b -34w +40w +38b -36w -27w
: 36 +rpiEmbla [1139] 5.0 [1191] [ 109] +39b =26w -32b +40w +38b -37w -31b +35b -28w
: 37 +microMax [1228] 4.0 [1062] [ 0] -35w -38w +40b -26b +39w +36b -23w -31b -29w
: 38 +rpiBikjump [1051] 3.0 [1088] [ 279] +40w +37b +39w -34b -36w -23b -35w -26b -30b
: 39 +GearHeart [1153] 1.5 [ 893] [ 0] -36w +40b -38b -35w -37b -32b -26w -27b -34w
: 40 +POS [ 791] 0.0 [ 831] [ 0] -38b -39w -37w -36b -32w -35b -34b -30w -26b
:
: Average Rating 1582.1
:
Could someone explain how the scores are calculated? This is what I find
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Program reported actual difference
score score
LeelaZero 13.0 8 5
Berta 11.5 6.5 5
WaspX 11.0 6 5
Schooner 11.0 6 5
RofChade 10.5 5.5 5
ArasanX 10.0 5 5
NightmareX 10.0 5 5
rpiStockfish 10.0 5 5
Goldbar 10.0 5 5
Marvin 10.0 5 5
WaDuuttie 9.5 4.5 5
Arminius 9.5 4.5 5
Pirarucu 9.5 4.5 5
Baron 9.0 4 5
Tornado 9.0 4 5
Tinker 9.0 4 5
rpiArminius 9.0 4 5
Jumbo 9.0 5 4
RookieMonster 9.0 6 3
tomitankChess 8.5 3.5 5
atomBaron 8.5 3.5 5
Nameless 8.5 4 4.5
Isa 8.5 6 2.5
rpiMinkoChess 8.0 4 4
Bliep 8.0 4.5 3.5
Embla 8.0 6.5 1.5
Floyd 7.5 3 4.5
Spartacus 7.5 4 3.5
rpiFruit 7.5 4.5 3
Joker 7.5 5 2.5
CTdccc 7.5 5.5 2
Weini 7.5 6 1.5
Nemeton 7.0 2 5
KingSlayer 7.0 5 2
Skiull 5.0 4 1
rpiEmbla 5.0 4.5 0.5
microMax 4.0 3 1
rpiBikjump 3.0 3 0
GearHeart 1.5 1 0.5
POS 0.0 0 0
Re: On-line engine blitz tourney August
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:19 am
by Joost Buijs
Since half a year or so HGM uses the McMahon system to calculate scores, at first it can be a bit confusing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon_system_tournament
Re: On-line engine blitz tourney August
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:42 am
by hgm
In the McMahon system each player starts with a number of points, based on their ranking by rating. After that it is normal Swiss.
The top half all receive the same number of points (5 in this case), to not affect their chances of winning the tourney. The bottom half is supposed to have zero chance for winning the tourney anyway, and the bonus points they get linearly falls to zero for the weakest participant.
This prevents the first 2-3 rounds being wasted on games of which the outcome is a certainty. The weakest players get paired with each other from the very start, and an initial win doesn't immediately put them in the top of the field.
Re: On-line engine blitz tourney August
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:00 pm
by flok
If I compare this:
hgm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:21 pm
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:Tourney Players: Round 9 of 9
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: Name Rating Score Perfrm Upset Results
: ----------------- ------ ----- ------ ------ -------
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: 25 +Bliep [1507] 8.0 [1529] [ 127] +28b -22w -17b =19w -31b +34w +27b +33w -15b
: 26 +Embla [1293] 8.0 [1355] [ 130] -32w =36b +35b +37w =23b =30w +39b +38w +40w
: 27 +Floyd [1552] 7.5 [1389] [ 12] +22b -11w -05b -33w -24b -18b -25w +39w +35b
: 28 +Spartacus [1500] 7.5 [1376] [ 0] -25w -19w +34b +30w -29b +31w -24b -17w +36b
: 29 +rpiFruit [1455] 7.5 [1453] [ 75] +19b -18w =24b +23w +28w -21b -33b -32w +37b
to this (July):
http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... ey#p770841
hgm wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:34 pm
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:Tourney Players: Round 9 of 9
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: Name Rating Score Perfrm Upset Results
: ----------------- ------ ----- ------ ------ -------
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: 28 +Bliep [1512] 7.5 [1458] [ 91] +29w =25b -21b =30w =23b -24b -17w =34b +37w
: 29 +Spartacus [1504] 7.5 [1458] [ 58] -28b -30w +35b =22b =17w -25w +33b =27b =26w
: 30 +Joker [1437] 7.5 [1466] [ 109] +39b +29b -25w =28b -22w =34b +35w -32w +38b
: 31 +Eichhoernchen [1336] 7.5 [1291] [ 135] =36w -34b -38w +42w -37b +43w +44b +33w +40b
: 32 +Embla [1276] 7.5 [1520] [ 475] +41b +39w -33w =38b +35b +36w =34w +30b -21w
: 33 +rpiFruit [1471] 7.0 [1342] [ 33] -22b -35w +32b =34w +36w =17b -29w -31b +42w
Can I the safely conclude that Embla was in the August tournament stronger than floyd/spartacus and fruit (on a rpi3 by the way)? Or are there other factors (like how McMahon tournament works) in play?
regards
Re: On-line engine blitz tourney August
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:01 pm
by hgm
From 9 games you can never conclude anything (except perhaps when you lose them all).