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For those that like to toy with Ethereal...

Post by Dann Corbit » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:22 pm

You can get a very close approximation to the Stockfish null move pruning with this formula:

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        R = ( ( 13 + depth ) >> 2 ) + MIN(3, (eval - beta) / 185);
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Re: For those that like to toy with Ethereal...

Post by Dann Corbit » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:27 pm

E.g. you can experiment with it like this easily:

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#ifdef OLD_PRUNE
        R = 4 + depth / 6 + MIN(3, (eval - beta) / 200);
#else
        R = ( ( 13 + depth ) >> 2 ) + MIN(3, (eval - beta) / 185);
#endif
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Re: For those that like to toy with Ethereal...

Post by Dann Corbit » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:40 pm

In a test (every early) the Ethereal pruning is doing better than the Stockfish style.
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Re: For those that like to toy with Ethereal...

Post by mar » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:05 pm

Hmm, could this be a hint that Fritz 17 is Ethereal? :D viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72170
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Re: For those that like to toy with Ethereal...

Post by MikeB » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:13 am

Dann Corbit wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:40 pm
In a test (every early) the Ethereal pruning is doing better than the Stockfish style.
Please define 'better' , can I assume you meant in position testing as opposed to head to head combat??

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Re: For those that like to toy with Ethereal...

Post by AndrewGrant » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:53 am

MikeB wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:13 am
Dann Corbit wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:40 pm
In a test (every early) the Ethereal pruning is doing better than the Stockfish style.
Please define 'better' , can I assume you meant in position testing as opposed to head to head combat??
http://chess.grantnet.us/viewTest/3607/

Going to figure things out :)

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Re: For those that like to toy with Ethereal...

Post by Dann Corbit » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:43 am

MikeB wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:13 am
Dann Corbit wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:40 pm
In a test (every early) the Ethereal pruning is doing better than the Stockfish style.
Please define 'better' , can I assume you meant in position testing as opposed to head to head combat??
I have a match running. It's set for 100K games, but I won't let it go that far.
When I left, SF pruning was ever so slightly ahead
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Re: For those that like to toy with Ethereal...

Post by Dann Corbit » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:55 pm

No difference in my test, but I discovered that Arena was logging like mad (I had a 550 MB arena.debug file) so I think the result cannot be trusted.

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   Program                          Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws
 1 Ethereal-stopr                 : 3333   11  11  1475    50.1 %   3333   58.6 %
 2 Ethereal-ethpr                 : 3333   11  11  1475    49.9 %   3333   58.6 %
 
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Re: For those that like to toy with Ethereal...

Post by AndrewGrant » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:45 pm

Dann Corbit wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:55 pm
No difference in my test, but I discovered that Arena was logging like mad (I had a 550 MB arena.debug file) so I think the result cannot be trusted.

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   Program                          Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws
 1 Ethereal-stopr                 : 3333   11  11  1475    50.1 %   3333   58.6 %
 2 Ethereal-ethpr                 : 3333   11  11  1475    49.9 %   3333   58.6 %
 
NMPFormula vs master DIFF

ELO | 0.62 +- 1.98 (95%)
SPRT | 10.0+0.1s Threads=1 Hash=8MB
LLR | -2.96 (-2.94, 2.94) [0.00, 5.00]
Games | N: 46370 W: 9180 L: 9097 D: 28093
Not bad, but Ill stick with current master.

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Re: For those that like to toy with Ethereal...

Post by AndrewGrant » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:46 pm

AndrewGrant wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:45 pm
Dann Corbit wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:55 pm
No difference in my test, but I discovered that Arena was logging like mad (I had a 550 MB arena.debug file) so I think the result cannot be trusted.

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   Program                          Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws
 1 Ethereal-stopr                 : 3333   11  11  1475    50.1 %   3333   58.6 %
 2 Ethereal-ethpr                 : 3333   11  11  1475    49.9 %   3333   58.6 %
 

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NMPFormula vs master DIFF

ELO   | 0.62 +- 1.98 (95%)
SPRT  | 10.0+0.1s Threads=1 Hash=8MB
LLR   | -2.96 (-2.94, 2.94) [0.00, 5.00]
Games | N: 46370 W: 9180 L: 9097 D: 28093
Not bad, but Ill stick with current master.

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