The United States Chess Federation supports a member search function on its web site:
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrLst.php
Enter "compx" in the search field and out pops a list of nearly all programs that have been registered with the USCF.
For some reason, more than half of the 71 programs located are listed as non members. No programs are current members as all have expired memberships.
MacHack VI isn't listed as the USCF program registration system wasn't available until sometime in the early 1980s (if I recall correctly).
Programs on the USCF member list
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Programs in chronological order of joining
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11169627 (NJ) Non-Member 2193 Unr COMPX, BELLE
12187860 (IL) Non-Member 2064 Unr COMPX, BEE BEE
12248450 (FL) Non-Member 1602 Unr COMPX, SFINKS
12431789 (NJ) Non-Member 1897 Unr COMPX, B10
12431790 (IL) Non-Member 2029 Unr COMPX, NUCHESS
12432968 (CA) Non-Member 1779 Unr COMPX, MYCHESS II
12433164 (AL) Non-Member 1784 Unr COMPX, SUPERSTAR
12442056 (AL) Non-Member 1944 Unr COMPX, TURBO STAR
12442413 (CA) Non-Member 1640 Unr COMPX, SPOC 3.0
12452143 (CA) Non-Member * Unr COMPX, CHESS D
12454641 (PA) Non-Member 2401 Unr COMPX, HITECH
12455144 (NM) Non-Member 2328 Unr COMPX, LACHEX
12455148 (NJ) Non-Member 1599 Unr COMPX, B11
12455156 (AL) Non-Member 2038 Unr COMPX, TURBO KASPAROV
12455157 (AL) Non-Member 1914 Unr COMPX, TURBO 640
12463699 (AL) Non-Member 2176 Unr COMPX, TURBO X
12463701 (OR) Non-Member 1612 Unr COMPX, XERXES
12464097 (VA) Non-Member 1394 Unr COMPX, REX
12473070 (FL) Non-Member 2047 Unr COMPX, CHESS CHALLENGER
12473071 (FL) Non-Member 1991 Unr COMPX, S1
12473073 (FL) Non-Member 2120 Unr COMPX, S3
12473074 (FL) Non-Member 1951 Unr COMPX, S4
12473075 (FL) Non-Member 2055 Unr COMPX, S5
12473076 (FL) Non-Member 2162 Unr COMPX, S6
12473077 (FL) Non-Member 2045 Unr COMPX, S7
12473078 (FL) Non-Member 2107 Unr COMPX, S8
12474133 (CA) Non-Member 1781 Unr COMPX, WAYCOOL
12477220 (NY) Non-Member 1705 Unr COMPX, MEGACHESS! X
12490909 (IL) 2001-05-31 2313 Unr COMPX, B P
12490915 (VA) Non-Member 1827 Unr COMPX, REX IV
12490916 (CT) Non-Member 1599 Unr COMPX, PSION
12496773 (WA) Non-Member 1676 Unr COMPX, TERMINATOR 2.0
12511956 (AL) Non-Member 1982 Unr COMPX, S 27X
12511957 (AL) Non-Member 2138 Unr COMPX, M 26X
12516628 (PA) 1989-04-30 2491P Unr COMPX, CHIP TEST
12516629 (NY) 1992-04-30 2514 Unr COMPX, DEEP THOUGHT
12516851 (MA) 1997-05-31 1848 Unr COMPX, SPECTOR
12517547 (CA) Non-Member 2147 Unr COMPX, CRAY - BLITZ
12520986 (CA) Non-Member 2222 Unr COMPX, CHESSMATE !!
12528485 (AL) 1992-06-30 2161 Unr COMPX, S28X
12528567 (PA) Non-Member 2129 Unr COMPX, THE SNIPER
12530025 (CO) 1992-09-30 1440 Unr COMPX, ZARKOV
12531358 (AL) Non-Member 2256 Unr COMPX, M30X
12532571 (AL) Non-Member 2065 Unr COMPX, S29X
12540899 (AL) 1990-07-31 2101 Unr COMPX, SUPER E
12541697 (FL) Non-Member 2116 Unr COMPX, RX2
12543307 (FL) 1993-07-31 2235 Unr COMPX, RX21
12544018 (AL) Non-Member 2222 Unr COMPX, DKS-KL
12547804 (AL) 1991-10-31 2227 Unr COMPX, SUPER EXPERT
12556160 (CO) 1995-03-31 2275 Unr COMPX, ZK25
12557303 (AL) 1992-04-30 2050 Unr COMPX, 86
12559002 (NY) 1992-06-30 1456P Unr COMPX II, SLIG
12561117 (CA) Non-Member 1624P Unr COMPX, BLZX
12561322 (WA) 1992-10-31 * Unr COMPX, ZIGGURAT
12561572 (AL) 1992-09-30 1948 Unr COMPX, TESTNX
12563195 (MA) 2000-06-30 1805 Unr COMPX, EVALUATOR
12580988 (AL) 1995-02-28 2090P Unr COMPX, NOVAG H
12580989 (AL) 1993-10-31 1970P Unr COMPX, NOVAG M
12581892 (CA) 1999-10-31 2331P Unr COMPX, M CHESS
12584027 (WA) 1993-11-30 Unr Unr COMPX, TERMINATOR
12591181 (AL) 1994-04-30 1914P Unr COMPX, SH8
12595184 (AL) 1994-04-30 2253P Unr COMPX, R25
12625473 (AL) 1995-07-31 2093P Unr COMPX, WCHESS
12626398 (MD) Non-Member 2100 2136P COMPX, FIDELITY MACH 3
12629182 (AL) 1995-10-31 1881P Unr COMPX, NOVAG DIAMOND
12632425 (CA) 1999-02-28 Unr Unr COMPX, GAZEBO CHESS-WINDOWS
12643909 (CA) 1996-03-31 2531P Unr COMPX, KASPAROV'S GAMBIT X
12674074 (NC) Non-Member * Unr COMPX, NOVAG SAPPHIRE
12699736 (AL) Non-Member 2330P Unr COMPX, CRAFTY
12746313 (MA) Non-Member Unr 1622P COMPX, CHESSMASTER 5000
12859169 (CA) Non-Member * Unr COMPX, CHESSMASTER 7000
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I never could get hold of Mr. Fink to see if he wanted to release the program into the public.sje wrote: 12248450 (FL) Non-Member 1602 Unr COMPX, SFINKS
Mr. Slate doesn't seem interested in releasing any version of NuChess, but I'm hopeful that when / if a few more programs from then are released, he might reconsider.12431790 (IL) Non-Member 2029 Unr COMPX, NUCHESS
Never did get a reply from Mr. Kittenger about releasing MyChess.12432968 (CA) Non-Member 1779 Unr COMPX, MYCHESS II
I did email with him a few times about that program and an earlier 6800 based one, and he seemed somewhat willing, but I wasn't able to contact him after those initial emails.12452143 (CA) Non-Member * Unr COMPX, CHESS D
We're working on it... But Mr. Hyatt definetly prefers to release a working version that people can actually play. Unfortunately he's having trouble finding the time and finding a suitable compiler to handle that style FORTRAN.12517547 (CA) Non-Member 2147 Unr COMPX, CRAY - BLITZ
I wasn't able to get in touch with Mr. Stanback about releasing Zarkov.12530025 (CO) 1992-09-30 1440 Unr COMPX, ZARKOV
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Re: Programs in chronological order of joining
I should point out that one of the entries is mine: Spector, first registered in 1987 and a member for ten years. I suspect it played more OTB games than any non sponsored program. It's last game was in late 1995 if I recall correctly. I dropped its membership when there weren't many (or any) USCF events that would allow program entrants.
It's unfortunate that there aren't any real opportunities today for program participation in OTB tournaments with humans. It was fun while it lasted.
It's unfortunate that there aren't any real opportunities today for program participation in OTB tournaments with humans. It was fun while it lasted.
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Re: Programs on the USCF member list
Also some of those ratings have been "deflated" incorrectly. Every now and then USCF "deflates" all ratings (reduces them proportionally) to account for rating inflation over time. Yet many of those programs (belle, cray blitz, hitech, et al) have not played human chess in 20 years or so but their ratings have all been "deflated" even though they were not playing. Last official USCF rating I have for Cray Blitz was 2258.
They are "non-members" because they are not allowed to vote (via their author) on USCF policy decisions or elections. Th.ey are also not eligible to win titles or prizes at tournaments
They are "non-members" because they are not allowed to vote (via their author) on USCF policy decisions or elections. Th.ey are also not eligible to win titles or prizes at tournaments
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I've discussed entering USCF tournaments with some local TD's. I tell them I know the rules about not winning the tournament and so forth. However, they don't allow it. They say the tournament is for humans.
From talking to several of them, they seem to beleive that the HW is so fast today that any program thrown together by anybody would be at GM level. They seem to beleive that anyone can produce a GM program easily. One told me that allowing my program in would open the flood gates and he would have a large number of GM programs entering.
Some have said that it is "just" brute force searching - there isn't any real position evaluation other than piece values. When I try to sway that opinion they talk to me like I am far from correct.
It seems that over simplified answers to the public have hurt.
The only way I know to get a rating is to have a USCF rated match with a person instead of entering a tournament.
From talking to several of them, they seem to beleive that the HW is so fast today that any program thrown together by anybody would be at GM level. They seem to beleive that anyone can produce a GM program easily. One told me that allowing my program in would open the flood gates and he would have a large number of GM programs entering.
Some have said that it is "just" brute force searching - there isn't any real position evaluation other than piece values. When I try to sway that opinion they talk to me like I am far from correct.
It seems that over simplified answers to the public have hurt.
The only way I know to get a rating is to have a USCF rated match with a person instead of entering a tournament.
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Re: Programs in chronological order of joining
In the Old Days there was plenty of misinformation about program participation in USCF events and many tournament directors were afraid that if programs were allowed then anyone could enter a commercial program, not just the author. Players in general were equally misinformed.
The USCF along with its misguided Computer Rating Agency program has a lot of problems, and its relationships with commercial chess program and machine manufacturers along with associated advertiser revenue has a lot to due with this. I could write pages on the topic, but it's not worth it as the USCF has become essentially impervious to real reform.
The USCF along with its misguided Computer Rating Agency program has a lot of problems, and its relationships with commercial chess program and machine manufacturers along with associated advertiser revenue has a lot to due with this. I could write pages on the topic, but it's not worth it as the USCF has become essentially impervious to real reform.
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Re: Programs in chronological order of joining
If that is supposedly from oldest to newest in terms of when they joined USCF, the list is wrong.
"blitz" was a member in 1974 or thereabouts, and played in USCF events every year after that. Cray Blitz was a member in 1980, which I think predates nuchess, and certainly predates hitech and chiptest/deep thought. Cray Blitz played in a USCF rated event in 1980. Chiptest didn't exist until 1986.
Not sure what that list really is, but perhaps the subject line is wrong???
"blitz" was a member in 1974 or thereabouts, and played in USCF events every year after that. Cray Blitz was a member in 1980, which I think predates nuchess, and certainly predates hitech and chiptest/deep thought. Cray Blitz played in a USCF rated event in 1980. Chiptest didn't exist until 1986.
Not sure what that list really is, but perhaps the subject line is wrong???
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Re: Programs in chronological order of joining
The list is in ascenidng order of USCF ID number. It may be the case that these weren't consistently assigned sequentially.
Also, the list is missing an earlier program of mine (Oracle) that was registered prior to Spector back around 1984. Due to hardware and logistics reasons, it never played in any events; maybe that's why it's not on the list.
Also, the list is missing an earlier program of mine (Oracle) that was registered prior to Spector back around 1984. Due to hardware and logistics reasons, it never played in any events; maybe that's why it's not on the list.
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Re: Programs in chronological order of joining
At a price. US$5 per match and US$0.50 per game were the numbers the last time I looked.CRoberson wrote:IThe only way I know to get a rating is to have a USCF rated match with a person instead of entering a tournament.
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How about the Europeans? Have there been many OTB tournaments that allowed program participation? Are there any today?