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Tony Thomas

Re: Any success with these engines

Post by Tony Thomas » Sat May 10, 2008 10:31 pm

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AKIBA 0.0 (version number not known) (moves too slow and loses on time) 
Animats Chess 1.1.1.1 (not suitable for tournaments)
Apilchess  1.05 rev.1b (eternal pondering) 
Arics 0.95 (does not move) 
Bachess 1.3 (always runs out of time) 
Dendron 0.42 (frequent illegal moves) 
Gringo 1.4.9 b(if the engine finds out that there is a mate, it just searches and searches until it loses on time) 
Zchess 2 from Eamonn Ramsay (loses on time, 100% of the time)  

Tony Thomas

Re: Any success with these engines

Post by Tony Thomas » Sat May 10, 2008 11:41 pm

Update # 7

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AKIBA 0.0 (version number not known) (moves too slow and loses on time) 
Alice 0.35?? (frequent time losses)
Animats Chess 1.1.1.1 (not suitable for tournaments) 
Apilchess  1.05 rev.1b (eternal pondering) 
Arics 0.95 (does not move) 
Bachess 1.3 (always runs out of time) 
Babychess 11.1 (frequent crashes, illegal moves etc) Later versions not available..
Dendron 0.42 (frequent illegal moves) 
Gringo 1.4.9 b(if the engine finds out that there is a mate, it just searches and searches until it loses on time) 
Zchess 2 from Eamonn Ramsay (loses on time, 100% of the time)   

Tony Thomas

Re: Any success with these engines

Post by Tony Thomas » Sun May 11, 2008 12:30 am

Update 8

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AKIBA 0.0 (version number not known) (moves too slow and loses on time) 
Alice 0.35?? (frequent time losses) 
Animats Chess 1.1.1.1 (not suitable for tournaments) 
Apilchess  1.05 rev.1b (eternal pondering) 
Arics 0.95 (does not move) 
Bachess 1.3 (always runs out of time) 
Babychess 11.1 (frequent crashes, illegal moves etc) Later versions not available.. 
Dendron 0.42 (frequent illegal moves) 
Gringo 1.4.9 b(if the engine finds out that there is a mate, it just searches and searches until it loses on time) 
Zchess 2 from Eamonn Ramsay (loses on time, 100% of the time)
Zephyr 0.61 (time losses)

Tony Thomas

Re: Any success with these engines

Post by Tony Thomas » Sun May 11, 2008 1:15 am

Here is the list of engines that I do not have on the rating list (less than 20 games). I have not checked it against my rating list, but my memory cant be that horrible about engines that are on my computer. From looking at the list, I am further away than I had intially thought.

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Blitzter free free 2.0 - 05/09/2006 * WB Stephen Mann Web US  
Braincrack free free alpha 200304 10/01/2004 1490::10 WB Andreas Dirks Web DE  
Brama free free 051204 - 12/07/2004 * WB Biagio Rea Web IT  
BremboCE free free 0.1 0.31 02/17/2002 1670::42 WB Gianluca Cisana Web IT  
BrutusChess free free 2.01 5.4 06/06/2006 1788::30 WB Stephan Vermeire Web NL  
Cassandre free free 0.21 0.24 03/19/2003 * WB/UCI - Romang Grundrich Adolph Web FR  
Cecir free free 2.3 3.5 04/17/2003 1801::106 WB Guillermo Carvalho Web UR  
Cefap free free 0.5 0.72 07/28/2002 1486::77 WB Marcus Stjärnås Web SE  
Chancellor free free 1.00a 1.00e 10/15/2007 - WB/UCI Matthias Gemuh n/a - retreated CM  
Cheops free free 1.1 - 09/08/2005 * UCI Tristan Miller Web CA  
Chesscraft free free 0.96 - 01/14/2002 - WB Sune Fischer n/a - retreated DK  
ChessterfieldCL free free I4 I5a 03/23/2000 1700::63 WB Matthias Lüscher Web CH  
Cilian free free 4.07 4.14 11/26/1998 1912::63 WB François Scheurer Web CH  
CPP1 free free 0.1 0.1038 04/18/2000 - WB Folkert van Heusden Web NL  
Crux free free 0.1r 5.0m 03/27/2000 1667::22 (5.0j) WB László Szalai n/a - retreated  HU  
DanChess free free 1.0 CCT7 08/29/2003 2453::63 WB Daniel Shawul Web ET  
DarkFusch (fkaFusch) free free 0.001 0.9 01/05/2004 * UCI - FUBerlin Web DE  
Dchess free free 1.01 1.02 08/11/1999 1550::43 WB Dave Wyatt Web US  
DeepDuke free free - - 08/23/2007 - UCI Roman Zulauf Web DE  
DeepTrouble free free 1.0 - 09/21/2000 1553::21 WB Larry Griffiths Web US  
DelphiMax free free 2.3 2.9 03/01/2003 1960::84 UCI Max Bauer Web DE  

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DreamChess free free 0.10 - 10/20/2006 * WB Walter van Niftrik Web NL  
DrunkenMaster free free 0.1 1.2 01/22/2003 2195::62 WB/UCI Marcus Prewarski Web US  
Duke free free 1.0 3.0 01/10/2002 - WB Carlo Pivotto n/a - retreated IT  
Echelon free free 1.03 (retreated) 07/15/2006 1792::44 WB Scott Gasch n/a - retreated US  
ElTurco (Faile+Crafty) free free 0.90 0.93 11/27/2004 - WB Filipe Maia Web PT  
Embracer free free 1.0 1.12 12/05/2001 1779::62 WB Benny Antonsson Web SE  
EnginMax free free 1.1 5.11 11/09/2000 2050::65 WB/UCI Engin Üstün n/a - retreated DE  
Esc free free 0.27 1.16 02/04/2001 2284::109 WB Claudio del la Corte n/a - retreated IT  
Faile free free 0.6 1.4 08/16/1998 2006::107 WB Adrien Regimbald Web CA  
Fianchetto free free - - 03/25/2006 - UCI Bryn Humberstone Web AU  
Fimbulwinter free free 2.02 5.00 08/26/2002 * WB John Shedletsky Web US  
FluxII free free 0.5 2.2 03/06/2007 2305::42 UCI Phokham Nonava Web CH  
Gargamella free free 0.01 0.50 12/18/2001 1677::64 WB Nicola Rizzuti Web IT  
Gedeone free free - 1620 09/07/2002 1414::41 WB Luca Naddei Web IT  
Geko free free 0.01 0.43 03/31/2003 - WB Giuseppe Cannella Web IT  
Genesis free free 1 2.01b01 04/03/2002 2165::107 WB Omid David Web IS  
GES free free 1.0beta 1.36 07/07/2004 2322::63 WB DavidB. Weller Web US  
Ghost free free 0.12 0.14 02/07/2001 2068::63 WB Philipp Classen Web DE  
GiuChess free free 1.0beta1 1.0beta2 12/21/2005 * WB Giuliano Ippoliti Web IT  
Gnuchess5 free free 5 5.07 10/10/1999 2292::86 WB Chua Kong & Stuart Sian & Cracraft Web US  
Golem free free 0.1 0.441 05/12/2000 1682::40 WB Gianluigi Masciulli Web IT  

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Gothmog free free 0.26 1.0b10 08/03/2003 2494::62 WB/UCI Tord Romstad Web NO  
GrayMatter free free Rev6 Rev953 11/11/2006 - WB - Sexton Taylor Shah Morehouse Web US  
Hagrid free free 0.6.28 0.7.56 03/30/2002 2196::155 WB/UCI Klaus Friedel Web DE  
HanzoTheRazor free free 1.1.1.1(DC) - 09/28/2007 * WB Vigi Varkey Web UK  
Holmes free free 0.1 0.829e 06/01/2000 2254::21 WB Andreas Herrmann Web DE  
Hoplite free free 1.0 2.11 09/30/2003 1691::42 WB Frans Ekman Web FI   
ichess free free 0.1 - 10/17/2003 - WB - Liao Sang Zheng Web US  
InmiChess free free 1.2 3.06 12/30/1998 2141::107 WB Werner Inmann Web AT  
 IQ23 free free 0.02 0.03 03/12/2006 1779::11 UCI Mathias Müller Web DE  
Jchecs free free 0.0.6 0.1.0 02/12/2007 * WB David Cotton Web FR  
Jchess free free 1.0 - 09/20/2004 - WB Tomasz Michniewski (compiled by J.Ablett) n/a - retreated PL  
Jester free free 0.82 0.83 02/06/2002 - WB Marty Franz Web US  
Joana free free ? - 03/31/2004 - WB Juan Pablo Mendoza Web MX  
Junior commercial commercial 10.1 - 03/08/2008 - UCI Amir + Shy Ban + Bushinsky Web IS  
Jupiter free free 0.01 - 07/10/2006 1477:12 WB Michael Andersen Web DK 
 Kace free free 0.8 0.81 12/19/2000 - WB Aaron Baird Web US  
 Kaissa2 free free 0.1 1.0 09/09/2002 - WB Vladimir Yelin n/a - retreated BL  
 KCChess free free 1.11a 1.14a 08/23/2007 - WB Konstantin Serebryany Web RU  
KillerQueen free free 0.65 2.0b3 (UCI) 10/06/2003 * WB/UCI Lorenzo Stella Web IT  
KKFChess free free 2.5.10 2.67 09/26/2003 1959::74 WB/UCI Andrew Fan Web HK  
KnightCap free free 3.3 3.6Final (JA) 02/01/2001 2000::107 WB Andrew & Jon Tridgell & Baxter Web AU  

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Knightmare free free BP - 07/25/2007 - WB Michael Leany Web US  
LaDameBlanche free free 2.0b 2.0c 01/21/1999 2088::107 WB Marc-Philippe Huget Web FR  
LadyGambit free free 1.0 - 05/05/2002 2053::44 WB Carlo Pivotto n/a - retreated IT  
LaMosca free free 0.1 - 04/03/2002 - WB Pietro Valocchi Web IT  
LarsenVB free free 0.01 0.05.001 02/07/2000 1523::43 WB Luca Dormio Web IT  
Lightning (The) free free 1.41 2.13 11/03/2000 * WB Marius Kowalczyk Web DE   
LordKing free free 1.0 4.0 01/26/2001 2180::107 WB Carlo Pivotto n/a - retreated IT  
Lovelace free free R1 - 06/11/2006 1627::11 WB Jean Marc Alliot Web FR  
Matilde free free 2.00 2008 05/08/2005 2065::14 WB Andrea Lanza Web IT  
Merlin free free 1.1 2.0b 06/06/2003 2030::106 WB Balacs Jako Web HU  
MicroChess1976 free free - - 05/26/2006 - WB Peter Jennings (mod. A. Adrian) Web GB  
MiniMardi free free 1.1 1.3F 08/28/2003 * WB Juan Pablo Fernandez Alvarez Web SE  
MiniMax free free - - 08/14/2003 1630::20 WB Dieter + Christian Steinwender + Donninger (+WB T. McBurney) Web DE/AT  
Mint free free 1.7 2.3 11/25/2000 1701::64 WB Christian Söderström Web SE  
Monik free free 1.8 2.11 02/11/1999 1784::64 WB Sylvain Lacombe Web CA  
Mooboo free free 0.01 0.2b 10/28/2002 1568::42 WB Steffen Basting Web DE  
Morphy free free 3.22 - 11/14/2000 1900::107 WB Eric Walstra We
MSCP free free 1.0b 1.4 (1.6g-inofficial) 03/21/2001 1508::21 (d7) WB Marcel van Kervinck Web NL  
Murderhole free free 1.04 1.10 04/13/2004 - WB Eric Oldre Web US  

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Mystery free free 1.01 2.1 10/24/2002 - WB Fabian Müller Web DE  
Nanook free free 0.15 0.16 06/09/2007 * UCI Julien Gonçalves Web FR  
282 Needle free free 0.5 0.531 02/26/2004 1472::21 WB Mikko Nummelin Web FI  
283 NEG free free 0.3d - 07/10/2007 * WB Harm-Geert Muller Web NL  
  
285 Neophyte free free 0.1 - 01/22/2005 - WB William Hogarth Web GB  
Noonian free free 2.52 3.206 04/01/1999 1795::65 WB Charles Roberson Web US  
NSVChess free free 0.10 0.14 01/01/2006 * UCI Nicolas Velin Web FR  
Numpty free free 0.1pr 0.2pr 12/17/2006 * WB Chris Tatham Web GB  
O'Chess free free - - 05/18/2006 - WB Oleg Trott Web US  
Omar(fkaAlfonsoX) free free 0.5 3.1 02/15/2003 - WB Victor Rodriguez Doncel Web ES  
Ozwald free free 0.4 0.43 06/01/2000 1474::74 WB Jori Ostrovskij n/a - retreated FI  
Pentagon free free 1.0 1.2 03/29/2001 1477::43 WB Andrea Gatti n/a - retreated IT  
Philemon free free C - 03/17/2005 1557::11 UCI Dominik Käser Web CH  
Pierre free free 1.2 1.7 10/26/1998 - WB Alex Boby Web CA  
Piranha free free 0.5 - 04/11/2003 1545::20 UCI Martin Villwock Web DE  
Plywood free free 1.6 1.73x 11/19/2002 1902::29 WB Jim Bumgardner Web US  
PolarChess free free 1.0b 1.3 11/12/2001 1702::63 WB Odd Gunnar Malin Pooky free free 1.0 2.7 01/06/2003 1580::21 WB/UCI Dave Dahlem Web US  
POS free free 0.1 1.18 09/06/2006 * WB Folkert van Heusden Web NL  
Prechess free free 0.77 0.78 05/16/2002 - WB José Lauro Strapasson Web BR  
Protej free free 0.11 0.55 06/30/2004 1497::12 WB Alex Brunetti Web IT 

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PulChess free free 0.1 0.2i rev70 01/05/2007 - WB Moreno Carullo Web IT  
Pulsar free free 2.01d 2007-9a 06/26/2003 1751::72 (2.01f) WB Mike Adams Web US  
Pyotr free free 2.4Novice Am.Ed.06 11/23/2001 - WB John Marountas n/a - retreated GR  
Raffaela free free 0.0.1 0.1.4 02/02/2000 * WB Stefano Gemma Web IT  
Rainman free free 0.53 0.75 12/22/2002 1608::41 WB Johnny Bigert Web SE  
RattateChess free free 0.666a Bologna2007 10/09/2005 * WB Maurizio Monge Web IT  
Robin free free 0.91 0.983 09/17/2002 1703::52 WB Piotr Dachtera Web PL  
RoboKewlper free free 0.047a - 07/13/2002 - WB Kevin Markman n/a - retreated US  
Sachy free free 0.2.00 - 03/06/2002 - WB Martin Macok n/a - retreated CZ  
SCP free free 1.0f 1.0p 06/13/2007 - WB John Stanback (+ WB Jim Ablett) Web US  
SdBC free free 0.1.10 0.41.40 09/26/2001 1566::53 WB Stefan de Buhr Web DE  
SEE free free 0.42 0.69 10/16/2003 1696::41 WB Tor Lattimore Web SharpChess free free 0.01 0.06 12/16/2002 - WB Albert Bertilsson Web SE  
SharpChess2 free free 0.941 2.52 03/25/2005 * WB Peter Hughes Web US  
Sharper free free 0.02 0.17 03/09/2003 1965::83 WB Albert Bertilsson Web SE  
Simon free free 1.0 1.1 01/26/2005 1453::11 WB Dan Honeycutt Web US  
Simontacchi free free 1.00VC1 1.81 03/28/2003 1871::130 WB/UCI Mike Maxim Web US  
Simple free free 0.048 - 09/26/2001 1549::11 WB Rémi Coulom Web FR  
359 Sinapse (fkaGo2Chess) free free 0.08 1.0 07/17/2003 1521::20 WB Mel Goto Web BR  
Skaki free free 1.16 1.19 03/23/1999 - WB Greg & Christos Lazarou & Philippou Web GR  
SmallC free free 90 903 05/28/2004 1460::10 UCI Eric Marathee WebFR  

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SnailChess free free 1.01 4.013 11/04/1999 1828::86 WB Chan Rashjid Web SG  
Stan'sChess free free 1.0 1.42 07/26/2002 1476::42 WB Stan Arts Web NL  
StAndersen free free 1.0 1.31 10/19/2000 * WB Erik Robertsson Web SE  
Storm free free 0.5 0.6 05/12/2000 1675::63 WB Sean Empey Web US  
StrategicDeep free free 1.11 1.25 06/24/2002 - WB Marcin Gardyjan Web PL  
Sunsetter free free C6 C10 11/03/2002 2106::113 WB Georg von Zimmermann Web DE  
381 Taktix free free 1.0 2.23x 03/01/2003 2087::21 WB/UCI Matthias Gemuh Web CM  
382 Talvmenni free free 0.1 - 06/22/2006 * WB Eyðun Nielsen + Lamhauge Web FO  
383 Tamerlane free free 0.01 0.02 04/27/2001 1659::44 WB Luigi Ripamonti Web IT  
Terra free free 2.5 3.4 10/30/2001 2375::63 WB/UCI Peter Fendrich Web SE  
Testina free free 1.2 2.2 09/03/2004 - WB Sandro Corsini Web IT  
Tiffanys free free 0.2 0.4 05/08/2004 - WB Bernhard von Gunten Web CH  
Tikov free free 1.0 - 04/21/2001 * WB Martin & Fredrik Holder & Wass Web GB  
 Tonys'Chess free free 0.02 - 07/18/2007 1560::12 WB Tony Mokonen Web CA  
Tri-OS free free - - 07/15/2004 - WB - Holmes,Ormond,Rees,Shurtliff  Tristram free free 3.28 4.16 10/22/1997 1628::63 WB James Swafford Web US  
Trynyty free free 1.0 - 04/14/2000 - WB László Szalai n/a - retreated  HU  
Usurper free free 0.1 0.5 02/26/2003 - WB Horace Christopher Web US  
VanillaChess free free 2.6JA 2.6fJA 09/13/2006 - WB Shaun Press (+ WB Jim Ablett) Web US  
Vicki free free 0.021 0.035a 04/23/2007 1637::24 WB Jaco Van Niekerk Web ZA  
Viper free free 0.1 - 05/23/2006 2577::145 UCI Tord Romstad Web NO  
Witz free free Alpha2 A21fix 12/29/2004 2117::31 WB Pradu Kannan Web US
Yawce free free 0.16 - 01/18/2002 * WB Jakob Sandholm Web DK
Youk free free 1.05 - 03/26/2005 * WB Loïc Cuenot Web FR
Zotron free free 2003Beta 4.46 02/24/2003 1625::147 WB Patrick M. King Web US

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Re: Any success with these engines

Post by swami » Sun May 11, 2008 3:18 am

Tony Thomas wrote:
swami wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:Update # 5

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AKIBA 0.0 (moves too slow and loses on time) 
Apilchess (eternal pondering) 
Arics 0.95 (does not move) 
Bachess (always runs out of time) 
Dendron (frequent illegal moves) 
Gringo (if the engine finds out that there is a mate, it just searches and searches until it loses on time) 
Zchess 2 from Eamonn Ramsay (loses on time, 100% of the time)  
 
yes, there are so many engines that do not have necessary features, that's why i decided to limit my testing to something that plays legally without bugs and the one which has some features in it enough to play like a decent 2000's.
Being weak is not a bug you know.. There are many weak engines that plays perfectly legal, no loses on time, no crashes, no wrong mate claim etc. I am very leniant when it comes to losing on time, if an engine loses less than 10% of its games on time, I let it play, anything more, it gets the goat. Also, I do not mind adjusting time controls for engines that doesnt play incremental time controls (chad's chess comes to mind). I guess by the time I am done (most likely by next year), you will have an idea on which engines to avoid, since we play the same time controls.
I would very reluctant about the idea of testing a engine that is mostly 'legal move generator' without much of search or evaluation. Most of the engines are lacking in feature, no updates to it either (like chad chess for example).

If the programmer has added enough feature to the engine enough to make it play like a club player then it is a good idea to test the engine.IMO Ofcourse. There are more bugs in <1700 engines than there are in >2000 which is obvious.

Thats why i put the limit to 1700.

Tony Thomas

Re: Any success with these engines

Post by Tony Thomas » Sun May 11, 2008 3:37 am

I will pick a 1000 rated engine that has no crash, no hangs, no time losses, no false result claim over an engine that is rated 2500 and does the above mentioned things only 1% of the time. As you might have noticed, I am putting engines in quarantine as I go, that means that others wont be wasting their time testing those engines. I hope that my list at least would help people in chosing engines wisely.

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Re: Any success with these engines

Post by swami » Sun May 11, 2008 4:09 am

Tony Thomas wrote:As you might have noticed, I am putting engines in quarantine as I go, that means that others wont be wasting their time testing those engines. I hope that my list at least would help people in chosing engines wisely.
that would definitely help, Tony. I might even choose to test 1500 rated ones once someday :)

Tony Thomas

Re: Any success with these engines

Post by Tony Thomas » Sun May 11, 2008 5:20 am

Update 9, Tony's no play list

AKIBA 0.0 (version number not known) (moves too slow and loses on time)
Alice 0.35?? (frequent time losses)
Animats Chess 1.1.1.1 (not suitable for tournaments)
Apilchess 1.05 rev.1b (eternal pondering)
Arics 0.95 (does not move)
Bachess 1.3 (always runs out of time)
Babychess 11.1 (frequent crashes, illegal moves etc) Later versions not available..
Blitzer 2.0 (unexplainable time losses)
Dendron 0.42 (frequent illegal moves)
Gringo 1.4.9 b(if the engine finds out that there is a mate, it just searches and searches until it loses on time)
Jaksah 1.01 (time losses)
Muriel aka KDL chess 0.71 (time losses, could be hardware specific as others arent having problems)
NSVchess 0.14 (illegal move during compatibility test)
Zchess 2 from Eamonn Ramsay (loses on time, 100% of the time)
Zephyr 0.61 (time losses)

Tony Thomas

Re: Any success with these engines

Post by Tony Thomas » Sun May 11, 2008 10:00 am

Update 10, Tony's no play list

AKIBA 0.0 (version number not known) (moves too slow and loses on time)
Alice 0.35?? (frequent time losses, could be a cygwin problem)
Animats Chess 1.1.1.1 (not suitable for tournaments)
Apilchess 1.05 rev.1b (eternal pondering)
Arics 0.95 (does not move)
Bachess 1.3 (always runs out of time)
Babychess 11.1 (frequent crashes, illegal moves etc) Later versions not available..
Blitzer 2.0 (unexplainable time losses)
Dendron 0.42 (frequent illegal moves)
Gringo 1.4.9 b(if the engine finds out that there is a mate, it just searches and searches until it loses on time, playable)
Jaksah 1.01 (time losses)
MFchess 1.1 (time losses)
Muriel aka KDL chess 0.71 (time losses, could be hardware specific as others arent having problems)
Nesik 0.7.0 (decently strong engine, but lose on time against stronger engines, playable)
NSVchess 0.14 (illegal move during compatibility test)
Zchess 2 from Eamonn Ramsay (loses on time, 100% of the time)
Zephyr 0.61 (time losses)

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Re: Any success with these engines

Post by Graham Banks » Sun May 11, 2008 10:08 am

Tony - would there be any objection to deleting the previous updated lists?
gbanksnz at gmail.com

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