SWCR-32: SF 1.9.1 JA after 652 games the new Number *1*

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SWCR-32: SF 1.9.1 JA after 652 games the new Number *1*

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:31 pm

Hi there,

the still running SWCR-32 tournament is very interesting. With more and more games SF 1.9.1 JA w32 got a higher and higher rating.

Now, after 652 of 960 games, the SWCR-32 have at the moment a new Number 1.

A great day ... today is Monday, November 01st, 2010.
The Rybka ghost ended, finitely!

I don't like Rybka after all what comes in the latest year. Thinking on the update Rybka 3++ which never come, other things! It's time for a new number 1 and great is ... it's is a free available engine with free available sources.

For me a great day in computer chess engine develops.
Congratulations to the SF team, Tord, Marc and Jonna and all people which helps the SF programmers !!

The still running SWCR-32 tourney ended next week Monday. It will be interesting to see ... can SF 1.9.1 JA w32 hold this strong rating.

At the moment 2 ELO more as Rybka 4 w32!
*** Speaking from 32bit ***

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Re: SWCR-32: SF 1.9.1 JA after 652 games the new Number *1*

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:05 pm

Hi there,

its very clear after 652 games I think ...
Tournament started with games vs. Ktulu 9.03 and Deep Fritz 12. Deep Fritz 12 other GUI and Ktulu 9.03 crased some times. These engines plays at first before if I start a new SWCR-32 tournament vs. the new updates. The SF results vs. Deep Fritz 12 after 40 can be better but this bad results can be the reason that SF made with more games now more and more points. Also a bad start vs. Shredder 12 with 5.5 : 9.5, at the moment 14.5 : 11.5 ... reason 2!

So this rating after 652 games vs. 24 different participant w32 TOP-Engines is clear I think to 85% !!

Look here:

Rating develops for Stockfish 1.9.1 JA w32:
After 256 / 388 / 498 / 542 / 586 / 608 / 652 games, nice to see!

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Stockfish 1.9.1 JA w32: 
08 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2870   39   37   256   75%  2690   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2883   32   31   388   77%  2690   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2885   28   27   498   77%  2691   32%
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2886   27   26   542   77%  2691   33%
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2887   26   25   586   77%  2691   33%
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2892   26   25   608   77%  2691   32%
06 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2894   25   24   652   78%  2691   32%

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Rybka 4 w32 at the moment:
07 Rybka 4                      2892   19   19  1116   76%  2699   32%
In the still running tournament:
SF 1.9.1 w32 have 77,71%, Rybka 4 w32 = 76,54%
And here, also very clear ...

So I think after 652 games now it's clear and 32bit have a new number 1.

Prognosis = 2.897 ELO after 960 games (excel calculation).

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Conditions:
Windows XP Prof. x64 Edition
SClassic 4, Fritz 11 GUI
S12: Random-Book 4.1
F12: Perfect 2010

40 moves in 10 minutes
ponder = on
each engine = 1 core
resign / learning = off
hashtables = 256Mb
4TB Nalimov, GaviotaB., egbb,
ShredderB., TotalB. & TripleB.

Intel® Core™2 Quad
4x Q9550, 2,83GHz
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Frank
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Re: SWCR-32: SF 1.9.1 JA after 652 games the new Number *1*

Post by Wayne Lowrance » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:41 pm

Do not get to carried away Frank, you might find out something different in 64 versions. :) But nice testing
Wayne

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Re: SWCR-32: SF 1.9.1 JA after 652 games the new Number *1*

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:55 pm

Hi Wayne,

32bit and 64bit is a different for myself.
Users with 32bit OS machines have no interest on 64bit results because 32bit can be use only. Users with 64bit OS can be used 32bit & 64bit and in the most of cases have interest on both results.

So I have a SWCR-32 (32bit engines only) and a SWCR-64.

The next SWCR-64 tournament will be start around November 08th, 2010.

Updates so far:

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105. x64 Junior 12.0               Update   Scheduled: ~ 08.11.2010
104. x64 IvanHoe T0.5.2            Update   Scheduled: ~ 08.11.2010
103. x64 Tornado 4.1               Update   Scheduled: ~ 08.11.2010
102. x64 Gaviota 0.80              NEW      Scheduled: ~ 08.11.2010
101. x64 Equinox 0.86b             Update   Scheduled: ~ 08.11.2010 private status
098. w32 Jonny 4.00                Again    Scheduled: ~ 08.11.2010 for SWCR-64
100. x64 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA        Update   Scheduled: ~ 08.11.2010
099. x64 Protector 1.3.6 Rev. 370  Update   Scheduled: ~ 08.11.2010
SF 1.9.1 is better optimated for 32bit as SF 1.8.0.

Look here:

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01. Komodo 1.0 JA x64 zu Komodo 1.0 JA w32                      75 ELO Unterschied
02. Zappa Mexico II x64 zu Zappa Mexico II w32                  59 ELO Unterschied
03. Rybka 4 x64 zu Rybka 4 w32                                  49 ELO Unterschied
04. Rybka 3 x64 zu Rybka 3 w32                                  45 ELO Unterschied
05. Hannibal 1.0a x64 zu Hannibal 1.0a w32                      44 ELO Unterschied
06. Onno 1.1.1 x64 zu Onno 1.1.1 w32                            40 ELO Unterschied
07. Stockfish 1.8.0 JA x64 zu Stockfish 1.8.0 JA w32            39 ELO Unterschied
07. Onno 1.2.70 x64 zu Onno 1.2.70 w32                          39 ELO Unterschied
09. Komodo 1.2 JA x64 zu Komodo 1.2 JA w32                      38 ELO Unterschied
10. Twisted Logic 20100131x x64 zu Twisted Logic 20100131x w32  37 ELO Unterschied
11. Protector 1.3.4 JA x64 zu Protector 1.3.4 JA w32            33 ELO Unterschied
12. Spark 0.4 x64 zu Spark 0.4 w32                              31 ELO Unterschied
13. Critter 0.70 x64 zu Critter 0.70 w32                        29 ELO Unterschied
14. Critter 0.80 x64 zu Critter 0.80 w32                        26 ELO Unterschied
15. Spark 0.5 x64 zu Spark 0.5 w32                              24 ELO Unterschied
15. Thinker 5.4d Inert x64 zu Thinker 5.4d Inert w32            24 ELO Unterschied
17. Sjeng WC-2008 x64 zu Sjeng WC-2008 w32                      23 ELO Unterschied
18. Stockfish 1.7.1 JA x64 zu Stockfish 1.7.1 JA w32            22 ELO Unterschied
19. Loop 2007 x64 zu Loop 2007 w32                              18 ELO Unterschied
20. Critter 0.60 x64 zu Critter 0.60 w32                        12 ELO Unterschied
21. Naum 4.2 x64 zu Naum 4.2 w32                                 9 ELO Unterschied
22. SmarThink 1.20 x64 zu SmarThink 1.20 w32                     6 ELO Unterschied
23. Junior 11.1a x64 zu Junior 11.1a w32                         2 ELO Unterschied
24. Junior 11.2 x64 zu Junior 11.2 w32                         - 1 ELO Unterschied
25. Shredder 12 x64 zu Shredder 12 w32                         -13 ELO Unterschied
"zu" in German language = "to" in English language
"Unterschied" in German language = "Different" in English language.
But ELO = ELO :-)

So it's clear that Rybka 4 will be the number 1 in SWCR-64 after SF 1.9.1 x64 testing.

But perhaps with 15-20 ELO only :-)
I think SF 1.9.1 w32 is a good optimated w32 version, same compare to SF 1.7.1 w32. Perhaps the work from Jim Ablett?!

Thanks for your nice comment.
Have a nice day ... TOO !!

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Frank
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Re: SWCR-32: SF 1.9.1 JA after 652 games the new Number *1*

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:14 pm

Hi there,

very clear now after 718 / 960 games ...

Look here ...

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Stockfish 1.9.1 JA w32: 
08 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2870   39   37   256   75%  2690   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2883   32   31   388   77%  2690   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2885   28   27   498   77%  2691   32% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2886   27   26   542   77%  2691   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2887   26   25   586   77%  2691   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2892   26   25   608   77%  2691   32% 
06 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2894   25   24   652   78%  2691   32%
05 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2896   24   23   718   78%  2689   31%
At the moment with an advantage from 7 ELO to Rybka 4 w32 on place 1.

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Frank
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Re: SWCR-32: SF 1.9.1 JA after 652 games the new Number *1*

Post by gerold » Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:30 am

Frank Quisinsky wrote:Hi there,

very clear now after 718 / 960 games ...

Look here ...

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Stockfish 1.9.1 JA w32: 
08 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2870   39   37   256   75%  2690   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2883   32   31   388   77%  2690   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2885   28   27   498   77%  2691   32% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2886   27   26   542   77%  2691   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2887   26   25   586   77%  2691   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2892   26   25   608   77%  2691   32% 
06 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2894   25   24   652   78%  2691   32%
05 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2896   24   23   718   78%  2689   31%
At the moment with an advantage from 7 ELO to Rybka 4 w32 on place 1.

Best
Frank
Thank for the games Frank.
I like this SF 1.9.
It is indeed very strong.
It is about as strong as Ivanhoe To.5.1.
At present with 112 game played Ivanhoe
with 5/3 TC is 14 elo stronger. This could
change of course in the next 87 games.

Best,
Gerold.

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Re: SWCR-32: SF 1.9.1 JA after 740 games the new Number *1*

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:29 am

Hi Gerold,

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Stockfish 1.9.1 JA w32: 
08 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2870   39   37   256   75%  2690   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2883   32   31   388   77%  2690   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2885   28   27   498   77%  2691   32% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2886   27   26   542   77%  2691   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2887   26   25   586   77%  2691   33% 
07 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2892   26   25   608   77%  2691   32% 
06 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2894   25   24   652   78%  2691   32% 
05 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2896   24   23   718   78%  2689   31%
05 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA           2900   24   23   740   78%  2690   31%
12 ELO different to Rybka 4 w32 !
2 ELO only to Stockfish 1.8.0 JA x64 !!!

It's really unbelieveably!
improved to version 1.8.0 w32 with 38 ELO !!!!

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Re: SWCR-32: SF 1.9.1 JA after 740 games the new Number *1*

Post by Jouni » Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:18 pm

Unfortunately 32 bit seems to be history in PC world.

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Re: SWCR-32: SF 1.9.1 JA after 740 games the new Number *1*

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:42 pm

Jouni wrote:Unfortunately 32 bit seems to be history in PC world.

Jouni
Generally speaking yes....but still,there are a lot of chess engines that are still 32 bit,old and new....I for myself test only the x64 version of a particular chess engine if available....if not,then the x32 one....
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Re: SWCR-32: SF 1.9.1 JA after 740 games the new Number *1*

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:35 pm

Ho Jouni,

that's a typical comment from a "computer chess" freak!

SWCR have three list with ratings.
SWCR-32, SWCR-64, SWCR All (booth, 32bit, 64bit). For each lists I have a detail page. Most interest my visitors have on the 32bit list. The rate is 68%:32% for 32bit.

Interesting are now the reasons for it!

1. In my chessclub SG Trier (is playing in the first German league) the most club-members ... best player GM Georg Meyer is number 2 in Germany, have a 32bit OS computer. GM Meyer too! This group of people have no interest on x64.

Main comment is ...
What is 64bit, sorry?
Can I eat it?

I can nothing do with x64!!

2. 64bit, or more cores, ponder=on or databases like opening book, endgame tablebases are speed factors only. This have nothing to do with the "main playing strength" of an engine. A rating list should test the main playing strenght and not databases like books or ... how strong in engine x with 2 cores, 4 cores. Its very easy to test the SMP factor with three positions. So x thousends games are not necessary. Most of players in chess club can't understand such a rating list.

One of the reason for myself to test the basic strenght of engines because I public the list and I will give the right information!

IMPORTANT IS:
32bit, 1 Core with for club players normaly option: ponder = on !! Ponder = off have nothing to do with real chess, ponder = off games are a chess variant, compare to chess960 ... for the most chess players I speak about it.

It's right that correspondence chess players have interest on speed factors, computer chess players too. But this is a very small group only.

Typical comments in the time the SWCR-32 are public in SCHACHWELT (German chess magazine) ...

BRAVO:
I can do a little bit with such a list and the information I got. Because I know Fritz is on place 5, Rybka on 1, Stockfish I don't know ... hm I have to test Stockfish or Critter ... very interesting information for myself.

In times today most of the new computers comes with a x64 OS. Around since a half year in Germany. Most of the 500 EUR notebooks comes with Windows 7 64bit. It's a question of time and the most chess players have more interest on 64bit, its absolutly clear ... I think for each one.

But fact is:
At the moment clear more important for my visitors and within for myself are the SWCR-32. I have interest to give the right information others can do a bit. Or I must not play / public a rating list with number 1.000 for a small group of people.

And to get a new number 1 in the main rating list is for the most really a sensation!!

Have a nice evening.
And all this text in "Frankish".
Hope you can understand my interest on ratings.
To find out the "main playing strength of engines" !!

Best
Frank

PS:
If you have interest on 64bit and SWCR, the next big update tourney with SF 1.9.1 x64 started November 08th, 2010!
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