Norman's got a bit of the "bitter beer face" to everyone and everything in this forum, so I would not take it personally.George Tsavdaris wrote:Thanks and thanks for not bashing me for asking such a thing that it was forbidden to me not to knew(see Norman's reply).Dann Corbit wrote:Ippolit is here:George Tsavdaris wrote:Can i ask you to give a link for the code you are referring here in the quote?kranium wrote:Where are all the (oft CCC predicted) extremely strong programs?
Ippolit has been public now since May 2010...more than 1.5 years.
the codebase has been translated into plain/well-known/easy to understand chess programming terms...
(i know because i did it myself...)
If there are several versions with code can you please point me to 1-2 as also to the strongest one?
Thanks.
As for the other things you say i disagree on most but that's irrelevant.
http://ippolit.wikispaces.com/IPPOLIT.C
The strongest ones are the recent Ivanhoe engines found here:
http://www.chesslogik.com/ivanhoe.htm
You will find in all versions (for instance) a serious problem with utilization of SqSet[].
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Belgian beer - the best kind!Dann Corbit wrote:Norman's got a bit of the "bitter beer face" to everyone and everything in this forum, so I would not take it personally.George Tsavdaris wrote:Thanks and thanks for not bashing me for asking such a thing that it was forbidden to me not to knew(see Norman's reply).Dann Corbit wrote:Ippolit is here:George Tsavdaris wrote:Can i ask you to give a link for the code you are referring here in the quote?kranium wrote:Where are all the (oft CCC predicted) extremely strong programs?
Ippolit has been public now since May 2010...more than 1.5 years.
the codebase has been translated into plain/well-known/easy to understand chess programming terms...
(i know because i did it myself...)
If there are several versions with code can you please point me to 1-2 as also to the strongest one?
Thanks.
As for the other things you say i disagree on most but that's irrelevant.
http://ippolit.wikispaces.com/IPPOLIT.C
The strongest ones are the recent Ivanhoe engines found here:
http://www.chesslogik.com/ivanhoe.htm
You will find in all versions (for instance) a serious problem with utilization of SqSet[].
a country the size of Massachusetts (my home state) ...
with almost 400 different brews! (all 100's of years old and excellent!)
of course I have a beer face!
and yes I'm definitely 'beer bitter' at the pretentious, arrogant, judgemental, and beligerent attitude of most 'good ol boy' CCC members.
it's ignorant and reprehensible...
many who post here...have no clue.
they post profusely anyway...
just search Graham Banks for example..
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Do they drink it warm in Belgium? I remember my first beer in a German bar was room temperature, and it took a bit of getting used to.kranium wrote:Belgian beer - the best kind!Dann Corbit wrote:Norman's got a bit of the "bitter beer face" to everyone and everything in this forum, so I would not take it personally.George Tsavdaris wrote:Thanks and thanks for not bashing me for asking such a thing that it was forbidden to me not to knew(see Norman's reply).Dann Corbit wrote:Ippolit is here:George Tsavdaris wrote:Can i ask you to give a link for the code you are referring here in the quote?kranium wrote:Where are all the (oft CCC predicted) extremely strong programs?
Ippolit has been public now since May 2010...more than 1.5 years.
the codebase has been translated into plain/well-known/easy to understand chess programming terms...
(i know because i did it myself...)
If there are several versions with code can you please point me to 1-2 as also to the strongest one?
Thanks.
As for the other things you say i disagree on most but that's irrelevant.
http://ippolit.wikispaces.com/IPPOLIT.C
The strongest ones are the recent Ivanhoe engines found here:
http://www.chesslogik.com/ivanhoe.htm
You will find in all versions (for instance) a serious problem with utilization of SqSet[].
a country the size of Massachusetts (my home state) ...
with almost 400 different brews! (all 100's of years old and excellent!)
In Turkey, at the corner grocer, they would ask me if I wanted it warm or cold.
I did not see George to anything untowards in his posts.of course I have a beer face!
and yes I'm definitely 'beer bitter' at the pretentious, arrogant, judgemental, and beligerent attitude of most 'good ol boy' CCC members.
it's ignorant (see George T's posts above) and reprehensible...
Perhaps I did not notice due to being a pretentious, arrogant, judgemental, and beligerent 'good ol boy'.
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God Damn It - you know you're somehow the exception...Dann Corbit wrote:Do they drink it warm in Belgium? I remember my first beer in a German bar was room temperature, and it took a bit of getting used to.kranium wrote:Belgian beer - the best kind!Dann Corbit wrote:Norman's got a bit of the "bitter beer face" to everyone and everything in this forum, so I would not take it personally.George Tsavdaris wrote:Thanks and thanks for not bashing me for asking such a thing that it was forbidden to me not to knew(see Norman's reply).Dann Corbit wrote:Ippolit is here:George Tsavdaris wrote:Can i ask you to give a link for the code you are referring here in the quote?kranium wrote:Where are all the (oft CCC predicted) extremely strong programs?
Ippolit has been public now since May 2010...more than 1.5 years.
the codebase has been translated into plain/well-known/easy to understand chess programming terms...
(i know because i did it myself...)
If there are several versions with code can you please point me to 1-2 as also to the strongest one?
Thanks.
As for the other things you say i disagree on most but that's irrelevant.
http://ippolit.wikispaces.com/IPPOLIT.C
The strongest ones are the recent Ivanhoe engines found here:
http://www.chesslogik.com/ivanhoe.htm
You will find in all versions (for instance) a serious problem with utilization of SqSet[].
a country the size of Massachusetts (my home state) ...
with almost 400 different brews! (all 100's of years old and excellent!)
In Turkey, at the corner grocer, they would ask me if I wanted it warm or cold.I did not see George to anything untowards in his posts.of course I have a beer face!
and yes I'm definitely 'beer bitter' at the pretentious, arrogant, judgemental, and beligerent attitude of most 'good ol boy' CCC members.
it's ignorant (see George T's posts above) and reprehensible...
Perhaps I did not notice due to being a pretentious, arrogant, judgemental, and beligerent 'good ol boy'.
somehow, someway, you always (always!) manage to keep your head above the fray...
don't understand how you do it...i tend to get really pissed!
absolutely deserve an award for that IMHO
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Don't forget Critter now, and Komodo!jdart wrote:If Stockfish is not strong enough for you, you are a hard man to please.
"Tactics are the bricks and sticks that make up a game, but positional play is the architectural blueprint."
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And I may soon resume working on BigLion again.Albert Silver wrote:Don't forget Critter now, and Komodo!jdart wrote:If Stockfish is not strong enough for you, you are a hard man to please.
My engine was quite strong till I added knowledge to it.
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Ok Dann, how many times I should repeat this. All these array overbounds in array.c are completely irrelevant to program functioning.Dann Corbit wrote:You will find in all versions (for instance) a serious problem with utilization of SqSet[].
They never coz any program crash or instability.
If you don't understand that then there is simply no serious talk about programming with you since these are basic terms.
There are certainly some memory overwrites in the code but they are related to different structure member pointers, they practically appear in any program (no matter how much author thinking of it as bug free) and they are far beyond any stupid MS (or any other) code analysis tool...
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As soon as you exceed the bounds of an array in C, the program now exhibits undefined behavior. That means that you have absolutely no idea what the possible effects are upon the program. It could "do what you expect" -- whatever that might be, or it could format your hard disk, or cause demons to fly out of your nose.Milos wrote:Ok Dann, how many times I should repeat this. All these array overbounds in array.c are completely irrelevant to program functioning.Dann Corbit wrote:You will find in all versions (for instance) a serious problem with utilization of SqSet[].
They never coz any program crash or instability.
If you don't understand that then there is simply no serious talk about programming with you since these are basic terms.
There are certainly some memory overwrites in the code but they are related to different structure member pointers, they practically appear in any program (no matter how much author thinking of it as bug free) and they are far beyond any stupid MS (or any other) code analysis tool...
The error I pointed out was one of a class of serious errors that occur in the program, which was obviously written by an amateur. I would be astounded if such utter gaffes occur in Rybka itself.
These are the sort of things written by students with no programming knowlege at all. Anyone who has any serious ability as a programmer would immediately repair it.