Discussion of anything and everything relating to chess playing software and machines.
Moderators: hgm , Rebel , chrisw
carldaman
Posts: 2283Joined: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:13 am
Post by carldaman Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:43 pm
Dmitri, that was an awesomely played game by White! C'mon do tell us
Was it a version of Fire?
I particularly love this position from near the end of the game:
[D]4rk2/3pP1p1/2pP3p/2R2P1P/pR6/P2b2K1/8/8 b - - 0 52
CL
Gusev wrote: Do you like this engine's style?
tomgdrums
Posts: 736Joined: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:48 am
Post by tomgdrums Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:30 pm
Charles Browne wrote: tomgdrums wrote:
Some possibilities for Junior 7...
Due to restrictions, I think for the Amazon and Ebay listings below people in the United States and maybe some other places can't have the items shipped to them.
Regular Junior 7
EBay Germany
Amazon Germany
Deep Junior 7
Amazon UK - outrageous price
Amazon Germany
Medimops in Germany - Also have listing on Amazon Germany. U.S. can't have shipped from Amazon Germany but can from the Medimops website.
I am in the U.S. and in the late part of last year I purchased a used
regular Junior 7 from Medimops in Germany. It was in good shape with the original case, etc. Total price for the program and shipping was $7.00. I have been keeping an eye on that Deep Junior 7 that Medimops is selling but the conversion rate comes to something like $55.00 and I just can't talk myself into getting it.
Thanks for the info!
I will keep an eye on that. But like you $55 for that old of an engine is going to be hard to talk myself into.
Gusev
Posts: 1476Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:51 pm
Post by Gusev Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:59 pm
Carl, this is not Fire. Here's what the same engine did to the factory compile of Fire. Arguably, the same style that would make Nimzowitsch (the author of The Blockade) overjoyed. Given how it all ended, Dr. Tarrasch would be proud as well.
JBNielsen
Posts: 267Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:31 pmLocation: Denmark
Post by JBNielsen Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:19 pm
Henryval wrote: I would like to discuss Engines with a unique and incomparable playing style.
A few days ago I wrote about something similar here:
http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47165
In that thread I have mentioned some specific moves that an engine absolutely should play against humans.
Here is one of the examples:
[d]r2q1rk1/ppp1ppbp/2np1np1/8/2PPP3/2NBBQ1P/PP3PP1/R3K2R b KQ - bm Nd7; id "Jens Bæk Nielsen.40";
1.-,Nd7(!!) makes a threat on d4.
2.Ne2?? covers the pawn, but then 2.-,Ne5! gives black a winning position.
Does any of the engines mentioned in this thread play these moves?
Dr.Wael Deeb
Posts: 9773Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:44 pmLocation: Amman,Jordan
Post by Dr.Wael Deeb Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:32 pm
Sylwy wrote: Jimbo I wrote: Sylwy wrote: carldaman wrote:
Hi Carl !
1.-Yes, it's a different compile ! Better for you to use the original compile.
2.-
Comet A90 is a Winboard 1 compatible chess engine ! Under Fritz you need the Wb2Uci adapter. Under Arena choose - please - Winboard in Engine Management window ! Comet A90 has nothing to do with the UCI protocol. Under Arena works the autodetection function ( once I was also cheated by it).
Best to you !
SilvianR
I hate to disagree, but Norbert's Comet A90 executable is identical to the WbM's A90 executable. Identical MD5 and SHA1 hash signatures. (I didn't check any other Comet versions.)
Loved the photos, Ruxy!
Hello James !
I hate not to desagree
, but Norbert's Comet A90 compile stops on my Arena 3.0. The original Ulrich compile - I don't know. So, maybe you are (sure
) right !
I use Tony Mokonen's package. I must say a publicly
THANK YOU MAESTRO TONY !
Nice to hear you loved the photos. THANK YOU ! Stay a bit to see the original Romanian nature, the girls , Iasi monuments and
Ruxy's wines !!!
Best to you !
SilvianR
Silvian,
I swear to God that when I read the end of your post,just after a hard day at work,I read this:
.....and Ruxy's wives
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
Carotino
Posts: 216Joined: Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:40 amLocation: Italy
Post by Carotino Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:54 pm
JBNielsen wrote: Henryval wrote: I would like to discuss Engines with a unique and incomparable playing style.
A few days ago I wrote about something similar here:
http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47165
In that thread I have mentioned some specific moves that an engine absolutely should play against humans.
Here is one of the examples:
[d]r2q1rk1/ppp1ppbp/2np1np1/8/2PPP3/2NBBQ1P/PP3PP1/R3K2R b KQ - bm Nd7; id "Jens Bæk Nielsen.40";
1.-,Nd7(!!) makes a threat on d4.
2.Ne2?? covers the pawn, but then 2.-,Ne5! gives black a winning position.
Does any of the engines mentioned in this thread play these moves?
Vitruvius 1.19
1 17 -0.13 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.Rab1 Rab8 7.f4 Nxd3 8.Qxd3 Rfc8 9.Rf2 Nc5 10.Bxc5 Qxc5 11.Rb3 cxd5 12.cxd5 (1.36)
17 -0.13 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.Rab1 Rab8 7.f4 Nxd3 8.Qxd3 Rfc8 9.Rf2 Nc5 10.Bxc5 Qxc5 11.Rb3 cxd5 12.cxd5 (1.36)
18 -0.19 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.f4 Nxd3 7.Qxd3 cxd5 8.exd5 Rac8 9.Bd4 Nc5 10.Qe2 e6 11.Rab1 Rfe8 12.Rfe1 (1.84)
19 -0.16 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.Rab1 Nb6 7.c5 dxc5 8.c4 Rad8 9.Rb3 Rc8 10.Rc1 cxd5 11.exd5 Nxd3 12.Rxd3 Nd7 (2.42)
20 -0.08 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.Rab1 Nb6 7.c5 dxc5 8.c4 Rad8 9.Rb3 Rc8 10.Rc1 cxd5 11.exd5 Nxd3 12.Rxd3 Nd7 13.Bf4 (8.33)
20 -0.07 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qd1 e6 5.O-O Qh4 6.f3 Nxd3 7.Qxd3 Ne5 8.Qe2 b6 9.Bd4 Qh5 10.Be3 Rab8 11.Rab1 Rbd8 12.Bf4 c5 13.dxc6 Nxc6 (10.13)
21 -0.05 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qd1 e6 5.O-O Nxd3 6.Qxd3 b6 7.f4 Qe7 8.Rae1 Rab8 9.Qd2 Nc5 10.Bxc5 bxc5 11.e5 Rfe8 12.Re3 Qd7 13.Rfe1 exd5 14.cxd5 (17.19)
22 -0.06 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qd1 e6 5.O-O Nxd3 6.Qxd3 b6 7.Rae1 Qe7 8.Qc2 Rfe8 9.Bd4 e5 10.Be3 Qh4 11.Rb1 Red8 12.f3 a6 13.Kh1 Qg3 14.Rfe1 b5 (21.99)
23 -0.06 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qd1 e6 5.O-O Nxd3 6.Qxd3 b6 7.Rae1 Qe7 8.Qc2 Rfe8 9.Bd4 e5 10.Be3 Qh4 11.Rb1 Red8 12.f3 a6 13.Kh1 Qg3 14.Rfe1 b5 (27.67)
Roberto
tomgdrums
Posts: 736Joined: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:48 am
Post by tomgdrums Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:39 pm
Carotino wrote: JBNielsen wrote: Henryval wrote: I would like to discuss Engines with a unique and incomparable playing style.
A few days ago I wrote about something similar here:
http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47165
In that thread I have mentioned some specific moves that an engine absolutely should play against humans.
Here is one of the examples:
[d]r2q1rk1/ppp1ppbp/2np1np1/8/2PPP3/2NBBQ1P/PP3PP1/R3K2R b KQ - bm Nd7; id "Jens Bæk Nielsen.40";
1.-,Nd7(!!) makes a threat on d4.
2.Ne2?? covers the pawn, but then 2.-,Ne5! gives black a winning position.
Does any of the engines mentioned in this thread play these moves?
Vitruvius 1.19
1 17 -0.13 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.Rab1 Rab8 7.f4 Nxd3 8.Qxd3 Rfc8 9.Rf2 Nc5 10.Bxc5 Qxc5 11.Rb3 cxd5 12.cxd5 (1.36)
17 -0.13 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.Rab1 Rab8 7.f4 Nxd3 8.Qxd3 Rfc8 9.Rf2 Nc5 10.Bxc5 Qxc5 11.Rb3 cxd5 12.cxd5 (1.36)
18 -0.19 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.f4 Nxd3 7.Qxd3 cxd5 8.exd5 Rac8 9.Bd4 Nc5 10.Qe2 e6 11.Rab1 Rfe8 12.Rfe1 (1.84)
19 -0.16 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.Rab1 Nb6 7.c5 dxc5 8.c4 Rad8 9.Rb3 Rc8 10.Rc1 cxd5 11.exd5 Nxd3 12.Rxd3 Nd7 (2.42)
20 -0.08 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.Rab1 Nb6 7.c5 dxc5 8.c4 Rad8 9.Rb3 Rc8 10.Rc1 cxd5 11.exd5 Nxd3 12.Rxd3 Nd7 13.Bf4 (8.33)
20 -0.07 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qd1 e6 5.O-O Qh4 6.f3 Nxd3 7.Qxd3 Ne5 8.Qe2 b6 9.Bd4 Qh5 10.Be3 Rab8 11.Rab1 Rbd8 12.Bf4 c5 13.dxc6 Nxc6 (10.13)
21 -0.05 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qd1 e6 5.O-O Nxd3 6.Qxd3 b6 7.f4 Qe7 8.Rae1 Rab8 9.Qd2 Nc5 10.Bxc5 bxc5 11.e5 Rfe8 12.Re3 Qd7 13.Rfe1 exd5 14.cxd5 (17.19)
22 -0.06 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qd1 e6 5.O-O Nxd3 6.Qxd3 b6 7.Rae1 Qe7 8.Qc2 Rfe8 9.Bd4 e5 10.Be3 Qh4 11.Rb1 Red8 12.f3 a6 13.Kh1 Qg3 14.Rfe1 b5 (21.99)
23 -0.06 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qd1 e6 5.O-O Nxd3 6.Qxd3 b6 7.Rae1 Qe7 8.Qc2 Rfe8 9.Bd4 e5 10.Be3 Qh4 11.Rb1 Red8 12.f3 a6 13.Kh1 Qg3 14.Rfe1 b5 (27.67)[/quote
What is the latest release of Vitruvius that has been released for purchase (or update to those who purchased previously)?
Thanks!
JBNielsen
Posts: 267Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:31 pmLocation: Denmark
Post by JBNielsen Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:39 pm
Carotino wrote:
Vitruvius 1.19
1 17 -0.13 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.Rab1 Rab8 7.f4 Nxd3 8.Qxd3 Rfc8 9.Rf2 Nc5 10.Bxc5 Qxc5 11.Rb3 cxd5 12.cxd5 (1.36)
17 -0.13 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.Rab1 Rab8 7.f4 Nxd3 8.Qxd3 Rfc8 9.Rf2 Nc5 10.Bxc5 Qxc5 11.Rb3 cxd5 12.cxd5 (1.36)
18 -0.19 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.f4 Nxd3 7.Qxd3 cxd5 8.exd5 Rac8 9.Bd4 Nc5 10.Qe2 e6 11.Rab1 Rfe8 12.Rfe1 (1.84)
19 -0.16 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.Rab1 Nb6 7.c5 dxc5 8.c4 Rad8 9.Rb3 Rc8 10.Rc1 cxd5 11.exd5 Nxd3 12.Rxd3 Nd7 (2.42)
20 -0.08 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qe2 c6 5.O-O Qa5 6.Rab1 Nb6 7.c5 dxc5 8.c4 Rad8 9.Rb3 Rc8 10.Rc1 cxd5 11.exd5 Nxd3 12.Rxd3 Nd7 13.Bf4 (8.33)
20 -0.07 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qd1 e6 5.O-O Qh4 6.f3 Nxd3 7.Qxd3 Ne5 8.Qe2 b6 9.Bd4 Qh5 10.Be3 Rab8 11.Rab1 Rbd8 12.Bf4 c5 13.dxc6 Nxc6 (10.13)
21 -0.05 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qd1 e6 5.O-O Nxd3 6.Qxd3 b6 7.f4 Qe7 8.Rae1 Rab8 9.Qd2 Nc5 10.Bxc5 bxc5 11.e5 Rfe8 12.Re3 Qd7 13.Rfe1 exd5 14.cxd5 (17.19)
22 -0.06 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qd1 e6 5.O-O Nxd3 6.Qxd3 b6 7.Rae1 Qe7 8.Qc2 Rfe8 9.Bd4 e5 10.Be3 Qh4 11.Rb1 Red8 12.f3 a6 13.Kh1 Qg3 14.Rfe1 b5 (21.99)
23 -0.06 1.... Nd7 2.d5 Bxc3+ 3.bxc3 Nce5 4.Qd1 e6 5.O-O Nxd3 6.Qxd3 b6 7.Rae1 Qe7 8.Qc2 Rfe8 9.Bd4 e5 10.Be3 Qh4 11.Rb1 Red8 12.f3 a6 13.Kh1 Qg3 14.Rfe1 b5 (27.67)
Very well.
-,Nd7 is a good move that many engines will prefer.
Have you tried the other moves?
Sylwy
Posts: 4466Joined: Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:19 pmLocation: IASI - the historical capital of MOLDOVAFull name: SilvianR
Post by Sylwy Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:16 am
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Nice to hear you loved the photos. THANK YOU ! Stay a bit to see the original Romanian nature, the girls , Iasi monuments and
Ruxy's wines !!!
Best to you !
SilvianR
Silvian,
I swear to God that when I read the end of your post,just after a hard day at work,I read this:
.....
and Ruxy's wives
Hi DOC !
I'm a lucky man. Frau Ruxy never was interested in CCC forum !
SR
Gusev
Posts: 1476Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:51 pm
Post by Gusev Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:00 pm
Those were examples of Houdini's "meaningless mainstream-chess".
, but Norbert's Comet A90 compile stops on my Arena 3.0. The original Ulrich compile - I don't know. So, maybe you are (sure 
