TCEC - Is it okay to have a derivative program as champion?

Sean Evans · Post by **Sean Evans** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:45 pm

TCEC: Is it okay to have a derivative program as champion?

corres · Post by **corres** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:51 am

From 1950's all engines are derivative.

hgm · Post by **hgm** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:01 am

It is OK if they say it is OK. It is their tourney, and they can run whatever they like.

Thomas Lagershausen · Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:36 am

I love this so called "derivate programs".

They are 200 elo points stronger than the so called "original programs".

Someone who tells you that he make a chesssoftware from the scratch without copying something is in 99 cases of 100 a lair.

whereagles · Post by **whereagles** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:04 pm

I would say "Is it ok to participate?", but nevermind

Henk · Post by **Henk** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:34 pm

Some developers need twenty years or more to create an engine with ELO 2800. Others a few minutes.

Guenther · Post by **Guenther** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:03 pm

Thomas Lagershausen wrote:I love this so called "derivate programs".

They are 200 elo points stronger than the so called "original programs".

Someone who tells you that he make a chesssoftware from the scratch without copying something is in 99 cases of 100 a lair.

This is simply plain wrong. I still wonder why non-programmers cannot see the difference between 'copying' and 'learning' from code.
And BTW there are much more than 1/100 who never read any other sources of other programs for creating an own program.

IMO this attitude which tries to belittle stupid cloning and stupid derivating (yes this exists too!) is the main reason why it gets worse and worse.

S.Taylor · Post by **S.Taylor** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:58 pm

whereagles wrote:I would say "Is it ok to participate?", but nevermind

Like "is it ok for a terrorist (like bin ladin when he was alive) to be president of the USA"? instead of "is it ok for isis to participate in a democratic election".

I estimate that IF isis was allowed to participate in american elections, it would win the whole thing.

Modern Times · Post by **Modern Times** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:03 pm

hgm wrote:It is OK if they say it is OK. It is their tourney, and they can run whatever they like.

Agreed.

Dan Cooper · Post by **Dan Cooper** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:06 pm

If I say no, does that mean Glaurung is the rightful Season 6 champion?