Chess Genius 3 Beat Kasparov on a Pentium 90?

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Re: Chess Genius 3 Beat Kasparov on a Pentium 90?

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:50 am

MikeGL wrote:
hammerklavier wrote:
ChessGenius3 is a 1994 chess program. Fritz2.00 in 1992 already won multiple times against Kasparov at Koln Germany.
Blitz games... only 5m /all game. Until version Fritz5, Genius was always stronger than Fritz.

Citation is needed for your claim.

WCCC winners:

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Event #	Year	Winner
1	1974	Kaissa
2	1977	Chess 4.6[2]
3	1980	Belle
4	1983	Cray Blitz
5	1986	Cray Blitz
6	1989	Deep Thought
7	1992	ChessMachine (Gideon)
8	1995	Fritz
9	1999	Shredder
10	2002	Deep Junior
11	2003	Shredder
12	2004	Deep Junior
13	2005	Zappa
14	2006	Junior
15	2007	Zappa[wccc 1]
16	2008	HIARCS[wccc 1]
17	2009	Junior, Shredder, Sjeng[wccc 1]
18	2010	Rondo, Thinker[wccc 1]
19	2011	Junior
20	2013	Junior
21	2015	Jonny
22	2016	Komodo
I can't find the name of Chess Genius on this WCCC list, but Fritz2 won Hong Kong 8th WCCC 1995 and beat Deep Blue prototype there. Unless of course if ChessGenius is using another name like in the case of The King (Chessmaster), where its name is different from the commercial program.
And I can't find a name of a human either :lol:
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Re: Chess Genius 3 Beat Kasparov on a Pentium 90?

Post by BrendanJNorman » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:54 am

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
MikeGL wrote:
hammerklavier wrote:
ChessGenius3 is a 1994 chess program. Fritz2.00 in 1992 already won multiple times against Kasparov at Koln Germany.
Blitz games... only 5m /all game. Until version Fritz5, Genius was always stronger than Fritz.

Citation is needed for your claim.

WCCC winners:

Code: Select all

Event #	Year	Winner
1	1974	Kaissa
2	1977	Chess 4.6[2]
3	1980	Belle
4	1983	Cray Blitz
5	1986	Cray Blitz
6	1989	Deep Thought
7	1992	ChessMachine (Gideon)
8	1995	Fritz
9	1999	Shredder
10	2002	Deep Junior
11	2003	Shredder
12	2004	Deep Junior
13	2005	Zappa
14	2006	Junior
15	2007	Zappa[wccc 1]
16	2008	HIARCS[wccc 1]
17	2009	Junior, Shredder, Sjeng[wccc 1]
18	2010	Rondo, Thinker[wccc 1]
19	2011	Junior
20	2013	Junior
21	2015	Jonny
22	2016	Komodo
I can't find the name of Chess Genius on this WCCC list, but Fritz2 won Hong Kong 8th WCCC 1995 and beat Deep Blue prototype there. Unless of course if ChessGenius is using another name like in the case of The King (Chessmaster), where its name is different from the commercial program.
And I can't find a name of a human either :lol:
Dr.D
You were looking for a human's name in the World Computer Chess Championship? :shock:

Sounds like a strange thing to do. :lol:

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Re: Chess Genius 3 Beat Kasparov on a Pentium 90?

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:38 pm

BrendanJNorman wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
MikeGL wrote:
hammerklavier wrote:
ChessGenius3 is a 1994 chess program. Fritz2.00 in 1992 already won multiple times against Kasparov at Koln Germany.
Blitz games... only 5m /all game. Until version Fritz5, Genius was always stronger than Fritz.

Citation is needed for your claim.

WCCC winners:

Code: Select all

Event #	Year	Winner
1	1974	Kaissa
2	1977	Chess 4.6[2]
3	1980	Belle
4	1983	Cray Blitz
5	1986	Cray Blitz
6	1989	Deep Thought
7	1992	ChessMachine (Gideon)
8	1995	Fritz
9	1999	Shredder
10	2002	Deep Junior
11	2003	Shredder
12	2004	Deep Junior
13	2005	Zappa
14	2006	Junior
15	2007	Zappa[wccc 1]
16	2008	HIARCS[wccc 1]
17	2009	Junior, Shredder, Sjeng[wccc 1]
18	2010	Rondo, Thinker[wccc 1]
19	2011	Junior
20	2013	Junior
21	2015	Jonny
22	2016	Komodo
I can't find the name of Chess Genius on this WCCC list, but Fritz2 won Hong Kong 8th WCCC 1995 and beat Deep Blue prototype there. Unless of course if ChessGenius is using another name like in the case of The King (Chessmaster), where its name is different from the commercial program.
And I can't find a name of a human either :lol:
Dr.D
You were looking for a human's name in the World Computer Chess Championship? :shock:

Sounds like a strange thing to do. :lol:
Just pulling your legs :wink:
Have a nice day,
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Re: Chess Genius 3 Beat Kasparov on a Pentium 90?

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:49 am

BrendanJNorman wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:For the complain about ugly 2D pieces I do not think that there is a significant difference in the ability to concentrate and I think that people do not play worse when they play with 2D pieces relative to a real board.
There are two types of people on TC...

Type 1 is the passionate chess nerd with an interest in computers.

This is the group I belong to. :D

Type 2 are passionate computer nerds who like chess.

This is the group you appear to belong to.

Any serious chess player would much much prefer to play over a physical board than on a computer screen with 1980s graphics.

This is why as a 15 year old I relayed the moves from Chessmaster 3000 to my chessboard in training games.

And why in the traditional "man vs machine" matches, the moves were relayed to the board for the human player.

Chessplayers prefer chess boards, this is indisputable as Lyudmil has already confirmed (he is a 2160 ELO player, so can probably be referred to as a "chessplayer infected with the computer virus" :lol:)
this 2160 rating is from more than 10 years ago.
then I used to score about 20% against Comet.
now, as said, I score over 90%, even though the hardware is a bit stronger.

seems like some difference, huh? :)

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Re: Chess Genius 3 Beat Kasparov on a Pentium 90?

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:56 am

BrendanJNorman wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:...the Alekhine is a bust.
Quick! Send an emergency memo to GM Zhang Zhong, he hasn't heard yet!

It's his main repertoire! :?

Here's a serious game from just a few weeks ago.

[pgn][Event "19th Dubai Open 2017"]
[Site "Dubai UAE"]
[Date "2017.04.10"]
[Round "8.11"]
[White "Schroeder, Jan-Christian"]
[Black "Zhang, Zhong"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B03"]

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5.exd6 cxd6 6.Nc3 g6 7.Be3 Bg7 8.Rc1 O-O 9.b3 Bf5 10.Nf3 d5 11.c5 Nc8 12.b4 a6 13.a4 Bg4 14.Be2 Nc6 15.b5 axb5 16.axb5 Na5 17.O-O e6 18.Na4 Qe8 19.Bf4 Bxf3 20.gxf3 Qe7 21.c6 bxc6 22.b6 Qb4 23.Bc7 Qxd4 24.Nc5 Qb4 25.Qc2 Bd4 26.Nd7 Re8 27.Rfd1 Bg7 28.Rb1 Qe7 29.Nb8 Nxb6 30.Bxb6 Rexb8 31.f4 Qd6 32.Qa4 Bc3 33.Qc2 Bf6 34.Qa4 Bd8 35.Be3 Nc4 0-1[/pgn]

I guess an experienced Chinese GM like him doesn't have Stockfish,huh?

:lol:
he exchanged on d6, which is a major positional mistake.

as claimed, 5.f4 instead, wins the game for white:

[d]rnbqkb1r/ppp1pppp/1n1p4/4P3/2PP1P2/8/PP4PP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq f3 0 5

evaluation suggests white has winning advantage, but also I did extensively analyse this with SF some time ago, and got to huge plus scores for white in all lines.

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