is that difficult to understand sometimes people are indeed busy?Jeroen wrote:LOL, you are one funny guy. When the going gets tough, you are starting to shout.
It is YOU who claims a lot of things, without backing them up with proper analysis. My conclusion is, that you are not interested in the truth, but only to prove 'you are right'. It doesn't matter how, you just post something, sometimes even without checking. The best example is your 11.a3 Bxa3 12.Rxa3 Qxa3 13.c5 a5??, which you claimed (after only ONE SECOND of SF analysis) was a "forced draw" and instead lost instantly.
Furthermore, in your first posting about this subject, you just claim that Aronian's 11.a3 is bad, 11.c5 is clearly better (without proper analysis, something Aronian surely has done) and thus, you know better than Aronian. Talking about arrogance. And when people show you that you are wrong, you suddenly refrain from answering, or discussing the variation that was shown to you.
I might as well give the readers a summary, as the thread becomes a little bit unreadable, especially regarding the analysis:
1. 11.a3! is surely the most clear cut move in the position, white gets an advantage in all lines. Best now is 11... Bd6, as shown by both Komodo and Stockfish, but then 12.e4 is pleasant for white.
2. 11.a3! Bxa3?! as played by Carlsen, is extremely risky. 12.Rxa3 Qxa3 13.c5 and now:
A) 13... a5?? ("draw", Lyudmil) loses instantly. SF quickly over +2.
B) 13... e5? ("draw", Lyudmil) is also bad. SF quickly over +1.
C) 13... b6 (played by Carlsen), also the top move of the engines, after a deep search. SF scores it at +0.82, d=45 on my quad. It might be the best practical chance to muddy in the waters.
D) 13... Ne4 (Lyudmil's next proposal), surely a good candidate move. But instead of analysing it until the end, we get the message "draw, not enough material left". Nonsense, there are two rooks, two minor pieces and 11 pawns left and it surely is not "an easy draw".
3. 11.c5 ("clearly better for white", Lyudmil, when he first posted it, this was repeated several times, later downgraded to "complicated" and/or "it is tricky"). So far nothing conclusive about this line yet, so why enter this unclear territory when 11.a3! gives the advantage, with a high chance of success? From a human standpoint the choice is 100% clear.
4. 11.c5 e5 12.a3 (?!) Bxc3 13.Bxc3 e4 14.Nd2 Nf8 15.Re1 Bg4 16.f3 exf3 17.gxf3 Bh3 ("white is better, SF will need some 10 moves to get the same conclusion", Lyudmil) is just better for black, many analysis given here. SF simply piles up the pressure on the K-side and white can only defend. On my request to give better variations on the ones I posted: no reply.
I already demonstrated the position is a DRAW, please see relevant post, so you should definitely apologise.
do not time to read everything you and Possioto have written, just 2 quick remarks:
- so far all you have done is post SF output, what are so proud about?
- concerning the f3 ef3 gf3 line, SF scores are certainly bogus, I can show you much better lines for white, but there are so many variations that the analysis certainly can never be exhaustive. On the other hand, you posted just 2, mostly irrelevant and very short line, with a lot of SF/your stupid moves.
- your b6 also certainly loses, just again very rich position with a lot of variations for a fully exhaustive analysis.
so, far, I have:
- made an already interesting thread even more interesting, creating an useful discussion
- posted valuable remarks, most of which, if not all, are true
- posted twice or 3 times as much output as the 5 persons of you scalding me
- done all that, while busy with a lot more meanigful things, overall I have spent an hoyr and a half analysing this, and still performed better than all of you!
so I really do not understand why you do not thank me, instead of throwing a fury of invectives?
and once again, the position is a DRAW, so please apologise.
PS. again, I am waiting for something substantial of you, couple of pages of analysis, with definite proofs, and not just bare claims.
where is your analysis?