Komodo 1973.00 64-bit - Stockfish 181117 64, 15cpu match

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Re: Komodo 1973.00 64-bit - Stockfish 181117 64, 15cpu match

Post by shrapnel » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:56 am

No offence intended, but all these Matches seem kind of pointless now, with the advent of the MIGHTY Alpha-Zero.
Its like watching a dog-fight, when there is a Huge, Powerful Lion around !
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Re: Komodo 1973.00 64-bit - Stockfish 181117 64, 15cpu match

Post by Ozymandias » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:23 am

Well, some still see the point, so they can keep coming on my account, at least. Games too, although I'd change to complete PGNs (missed the first one here, for example).

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Re: Komodo 1973.00 64-bit - Stockfish 181117 64, 15cpu match

Post by Eelco de Groot » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:05 am

I don't think there is a lion anymore anyway. Unless they somehow can store the state of a network? I have no idea about that. it. But they probably needed the network itself and won't use for chess, unless you're going to pay them? Think Deep Blue. Deep Blue got dismantled right after the match, so nobody could and would ever beat it. It's history

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Re: Komodo 1973.00 64-bit - Stockfish 181117 64, 15cpu match

Post by Hugo » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:29 pm

shrapnel wrote:No offence intended, but all these Matches seem kind of pointless now, with the advent of the MIGHTY Alpha-Zero.
Its like watching a dog-fight, when there is a Huge, Powerful Lion around !
Intresting thoughts, even I cannot have the same oppinion.
AlphaZero games are scary to me, its just and example how far " artificial intelligence" is already developed.
Engine chess is still quite intresting to me, and the fact that the fights on top 3 are more ballanced makes it also more intresting .

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Re: Komodo 1973.00 64-bit - Stockfish 181117 64, 15cpu match

Post by Ozymandias » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:20 pm

Thanks!

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Re: Komodo 1973.00 64-bit - Stockfish 181117 64, 15cpu match

Post by shrapnel » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:43 pm

Hugo wrote:Engine chess is still quite intresting to me, and the fact that the fights on top 3 are more ballanced makes it also more intresting .

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That is true. That is the only thing that makes it interesting.
But if Google were to suddenly give you AlphaZero for Testing against those now obsolete engines, you would quickly become BORED !
It wouldn't be FIGHTS, it would be just plain SLAUGHTER !
It would be like watching a fight between a small puppy and a Lion !
Not fighting, just SLAUGHTER ! Very boring ! :)
On a serious note, even if Google does not start selling AlphaZero, computer chess as it is at present, suddenly became very boring for me.
Just KNOWING of the existence of a powerful Entity like AlphaZero even if not commonly available, which makes the strongest modern chess engines look like babies playing chess, makes me lose interest in these engines.
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Re: Komodo 1973.00 64-bit - Stockfish 181117 64, 15cpu match

Post by Hugo » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:42 pm

It wouldn't be FIGHTS, it would be just plain SLAUGHTER !
I have my doubt in that.
The Alpha Zero match was just a taste and needs better conditions to proove more.
Nowadays engines, especially the top 3, are no crash test dummies.

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Re: Komodo 1973.00 64-bit - Stockfish 181117 64, 15cpu match

Post by mjlef » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:23 pm

Hugo wrote:
It wouldn't be FIGHTS, it would be just plain SLAUGHTER !
I have my doubt in that.
The Alpha Zero match was just a taste and needs better conditions to proove more.
Nowadays engines, especially the top 3, are no crash test dummies.

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Of course, Crash Test Dummy is Crash Test Dummy: https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Crashtest+Dummy

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