Maybe we can look at the position again, with some improved programming in more than a year and a half and some people with very big machines
? Maybe see new things as requested also here
http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtop ... art=70#top
The questions still pending for these positions are :
How to win this position with white ?
2k5/2p5/1q1p4/pPpPp1pp/N1P1Pp2/P4PbP/KQ4P1/8 w - - am Nxb6+?; c1 "diff=10";
I took Kaissa and Kaissa or Stockfish does not agree with all of the pgn in above post, but I picked the first move anyway and with Kaissa I get after 1. Kb1
[d]2k5/2p5/1q1p4/pPpPp1pp/N1P1Pp2/P4PbP/1Q4P1/1K6 b - -
Engine: Kaissa IV NoContempt (1 thread, no tablebases, 512 MB)
by T. Romstad, M. Costalba, J. Kiiski, G. Linscott
49 773:34 +2.76 1...Qb7 2.Ka2 Be1 3.b6 cxb6 4.Qb5 Kd8
5.Nxb6 Bd2 6.Na4 Qc7 7.Qa6 Qb8 8.Qc6 Qc7
9.Qb5 Be1 10.Nb6 Qb7 11.Kb3 Bf2
12.Na4 Qc7 13.Qa6 Qb8+ 14.Kc2 Be1 (93.784.976.048) 2020
49 773:34 +3.40 1...Qb8 2.b6 cxb6 3.Qb5 Kd8 4.Nxb6 Qb7
5.Na4 Qc7 6.Qa6 Be1 7.Nb6 Qb8 8.Kc1 Bf2
9.Qxa5 Qb7 10.Na4+ Ke7 11.Qb5 Qa7
12.Kc2 g4 13.Kb3 gxf3 14.gxf3 Be1 (93.784.976.048) 2020
49 773:34 +3.81 1...Qa7 2.b6 cxb6 3.Qb5 Kd8 4.Nxb6 a4
5.Qc6 Qc7 6.Qa8+ Ke7 7.Nxa4 Be1
8.Qg8 Qb7+ 9.Nb2 Qa6 10.Qxg5+ Kd7
11.Qg7+ Kc8 12.Qh8+ Kd7 13.Qh7+ Kd8
14.Qxh5 Bc3 (93.784.976.048) 2020
49 773:34 +8.05 1...h4 2.Nxb6+ cxb6 3.Qe2 Kb7 4.Kc2 Kb8
5.Qf1 Kc8 6.Kd3 Kb7 7.Kc3 Kc8 8.Qb1 Kb7
9.Kc2 Kb8 10.Kc1 Kc7 11.Qa1 Kc8
12.a4 Kb8 13.Kd2 Kb7 14.Ke2 Kc7 (93.784.976.048) 2020
Here Black's second reply in top line is 2...Be1, before that it was 2...Bh4 which maybe a little less in value but that was the move I looked at deeper first. I assume 1...Qb7 is best, at least for now and see if the score for White can still be improved a bit.
This gives at the moment, in a new instance of Kaissa, after 1. Kb1 Qb7 2. Ka2
[d]2k5/1qp5/3p4/pPpPp1pp/N1P1Pp2/P4PbP/KQ4P1/8 b - -
Engine: Kaissa IV NoContempt (512 MB)
by T. Romstad, M. Costalba, J. Kiiski, G. Linscott
50 638:44 +3.30 2...Be1 3.b6 cxb6 4.Qb5 Kd8 5.Nxb6 Bd2
6.Na4 Qa7 7.Kb3 Qc7 8.Kb2 Qa7 9.Kc2 Be1
10.Kc1 Ke7 11.Kb2 Kd8 12.Nb6 a4
13.Nxa4 Qa5 14.Qb8+ Ke7 15.Kb3 Qd2 (78.964.628.214) 2060
50 638:44 +3.37 2...Bh4 3.b6 Kd8 4.Qb5 cxb6 5.Nxb6 Be1
6.Na4 Qc7 7.Kb3 Bd2 8.Kb2 Qa7 9.Kc2 Be1
10.Kc1 Ke7 11.Kb2 Kd8 12.Nb6 a4
13.Nxa4 Qa5 14.Kb3 Qd2 15.Qb8+ Ke7 (78.964.628.214) 2060
50 638:44 +3.69 2...Bh2 3.b6 cxb6 4.Qb5 Kd8 5.Nxb6 Kc7
6.Na4 Qxb5 7.cxb5 c4 8.Nb2 c3 9.Nc4 a4
10.b6+ Kb7 11.Nxd6+ Kxb6 12.Nf7 Bg1
13.Kb1 Bd4 14.Kc2 Kc7 15.Nxg5 Kc8 (78.964.628.214) 2060
49 638:44 +3.51 2...Qa7 3.b6 cxb6 4.Qb5 Kd8 5.Nxb6 Qb7
6.Na4 Qc7 7.Qa6 Be1 8.Kb3 Qb8+ 9.Kc2 Ke7
10.Nb6 Kd8 11.Na8 a4 12.Nb6 Kc7
13.Nxa4 Qb7 14.Qb5 Qa8 15.Qb6+ Kc8 (78.964.628.214) 2060
which is not a bad score I think
(I do not really know how to interpret the high score for White after
49 773:34 +8.05 1...h4 2.Nxb6+ cxb6 3.Qe2 Kb7 4.Kc2 Kb8
5.Qf1 Kc8 6.Kd3 Kb7 7.Kc3 Kc8 8.Qb1 Kb7
9.Kc2 Kb8 10.Kc1 Kc7 11.Qa1 Kc8
12.a4 Kb8 13.Kd2 Kb7 14.Ke2 Kc7 (93.784.976.048) 2020
Hard to believe that + 8.05 would still be a draw and Queen then can't be taken here either but not 100% sure it wins.
Score has not gone up in a long while.)