"0 Elo player" will have the result 151-849 vs "300 Elo player" and 646-354vs "-100 Elo player".Ozymandias wrote: A "0 Elo player" may just make as little sense,
How does an engine with 0 ELO play ?
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Re: How does an engine with 0 ELO play ?
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Re: How does an engine with 0 ELO play ?
Yes, of course, you are right. It is all distance between members with Elo.Kotlov wrote:"0 Elo player" will have the result 151-849 vs "300 Elo player" and 646-354vs "-100 Elo player".Ozymandias wrote: A "0 Elo player" may just make as little sense,
My other post is in error, because I imagined that the player could have no gains, but this is not correct.
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Re: How does an engine with 0 ELO play ?
like exampleDann Corbit wrote:Yes, of course, you are right. It is all distance between members with Elo.Kotlov wrote:"0 Elo player" will have the result 151-849 vs "300 Elo player" and 646-354vs "-100 Elo player".Ozymandias wrote: A "0 Elo player" may just make as little sense,
My other post is in error, because I imagined that the player could have no gains, but this is not correct.
0 Elo - is not Random Mover, is much better (in CCRL paradigm, of course).
If we imagine an elo-rating, where 0 will be the strength of random-mover engine, then the rating of the Stockfish will be over 40000+ (about 1 : 40^60)
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Re: How does an engine with 0 ELO play ?
You keep using the word "player" in that phrase, as if it had any real meaning when applied to some entities.Kotlov wrote:"0 Elo player" will have the result 151-849 vs "300 Elo player" and 646-354vs "-100 Elo player".Ozymandias wrote: A "0 Elo player" may just make as little sense,
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Re: How does an engine with 0 ELO play ?
In LC0 zero ELO is marked as random play, and I agree with the definition because it's absolute. This is similar to the temperature ºK kelvin scale, which is absolute, as opposed to ºC or ºF, which are relative to something.
In this context negative ELO means playing misere and that is a whole different game. I don't think you can't play worst than random without being suicidal, and that requires having some skill, i.e. ELO > 0. Which kind of demonstrates the point as well.
In this context negative ELO means playing misere and that is a whole different game. I don't think you can't play worst than random without being suicidal, and that requires having some skill, i.e. ELO > 0. Which kind of demonstrates the point as well.
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Re: How does an engine with 0 ELO play ?
Are you sure? LCZero is rated some ~4800 in that scale, which sort of translates to ~2500-2600 fide. SF9 is ~3400 fide, meaning it will be ~6000 in 0 = random.Kotlov wrote:If we imagine an elo-rating, where 0 will be the strength of random-mover engine, then the rating of the Stockfish will be over 40000+ (about 1 : 40^60)
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Re: How does an engine with 0 ELO play ?
Sure.whereagles wrote:Are you sure? LCZero is rated some ~4800 in that scale,
If RM = 0 Elo and LCZero = 4800 Elo then RM take 1 point from 10^12 games against LCZero.
LCZero so weak?
No. => 0 Elo is not RM that scale (or 4800 not LCZero)
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Re: How does an engine with 0 ELO play ?
You could also define 0 Elo as absolute.Kotlov wrote:"0 Elo player" will have the result 151-849 vs "300 Elo player" and 646-354vs "-100 Elo player".Ozymandias wrote: A "0 Elo player" may just make as little sense,
It is actually quite simple. Absolute 0 Elo player would have 0 point from any match against anyone.
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Re: How does an engine with 0 ELO play ?
RM can never be 0 Elo, because engine playing perfect suicide chess is infinitely weaker than RM in normal chess.Kotlov wrote:Sure.whereagles wrote:Are you sure? LCZero is rated some ~4800 in that scale,
If RM = 0 Elo and LCZero = 4800 Elo then RM take 1 point from 10^12 games against LCZero.
LCZero so weak?
No. => 0 Elo is not RM that scale (or 4800 not LCZero)
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Re: How does an engine with 0 ELO play ?
If taken as 0 Elo=RM then "suicide chess players" will be less than 0.Milos wrote:RM can never be 0 Elo, because engine playing perfect suicide chess is infinitely weaker than RM in normal chess.
IDK why your not understanding that?
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