Make sure you type KRBPP and not KRBBPnoobpwnftw wrote: ↑Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:49 pmKRBBPvKQ is missing somehow, retrying, maybe OOM or a simple mis-hit of Ctrl+C.syzygy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:15 pmI just noticed KRBPPvKQ is missing. Was there any problem with its generation?noobpwnftw wrote: ↑Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:55 pm
337 tables to go, progress of 5v2 pawnful (141/210) & 4v3 pawnful (57/325).
7-men Syzygy attempt
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Oops, that was not a typo by yours. Indeed the subtable KRBBPvKQ is missing, which explains why KRBPPvKQ failed.syzygy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:23 pmMake sure you type KRBPP and not KRBBPnoobpwnftw wrote: ↑Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:49 pmKRBBPvKQ is missing somehow, retrying, maybe OOM or a simple mis-hit of Ctrl+C.
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Nope, KRBBPvKQ needs a 16-bit table...
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Longest win for white: 100 ply; 5q2/P5R1/8/k7/B7/6B1/8/K7 w - -
Longest cursed win for white: 656 ply; 6B1/3B4/5R2/6q1/P7/1k6/8/3K4 b - -
Longest cursed win for black: 138 ply; 7B/8/1K6/7B/P7/4q1k1/8/7R w - -
Longest win for black: 60 ply; 2qk4/8/8/P4K2/8/8/RB6/4B3 w - -
Resetting black cursed losses.
time taken = 0:13.477
time taken = 0:13.610
time taken = 0:17.004
Very large DTZ not yet supported.tb_size = 146762325360
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Wow, that's unexpected.noobpwnftw wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:48 pm Nope, KRBBPvKQ need a 16-bit table...
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Longest win for white: 100 ply; 5q2/P5R1/8/k7/B7/6B1/8/K7 w - - Longest cursed win for white: 656 ply; 6B1/3B4/5R2/6q1/P7/1k6/8/3K4 b - - Longest cursed win for black: 138 ply; 7B/8/1K6/7B/P7/4q1k1/8/7R w - - Longest win for black: 60 ply; 2qk4/8/8/P4K2/8/8/RB6/4B3 w - - Resetting black cursed losses. time taken = 0:13.477 time taken = 0:13.610 time taken = 0:17.004 Very large DTZ not yet supported.tb_size = 146762325360
If you want to continue the generation of the other tables while I work on 16-bit compression for pawnful tables, you could generate just KRBBPvKQ.rtbw for now (sufficient to generate KRBPPvKQ) and leave .rtbz for later.
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656 ply before being able to move the pawn safely… wow.
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It seemed reasonably safe to assume that 580 ply would be enough for everybody (at least those with pawns).
The 656 ply is 656 ply to move the pawn to a win or 556 ply to move the pawn to another cursed win. (Or to a capture or mate, but that seems less likely.) We'll have to wait until we have the DTZ table to find out.
According to the Lomonosov tables, the longest mate in KRBBPvKQ is 799 moves, so knowing that, the 656 ply is maybe less surprising. I don't know what that longest mate looks like (but obviously it will have several pawn moves).
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Those must be 799 plies, not moves.
The position is apparently this:
[D]7R/4q3/8/BK6/8/k6P/8/B7 w - - 0 1
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Re: 7-men Syzygy attempt
I have started to develop a software for mining the new 7-man Syzygy tablebases.
http://ruszchessstudies.blogspot.com/20 ... r-see.html
For now, it is just a command line tool (actually it is a Stockfish engine with some additional UCI commands) but I plan to add a specialized GUI to the project as well.
A funny thing: Stockfish will have to learn how to generate retrograde moves as well for some of the planned features.
http://ruszchessstudies.blogspot.com/20 ... r-see.html
For now, it is just a command line tool (actually it is a Stockfish engine with some additional UCI commands) but I plan to add a specialized GUI to the project as well.
A funny thing: Stockfish will have to learn how to generate retrograde moves as well for some of the planned features.
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Re: 7-men Syzygy attempt
Is KNNPvKQP the most relevant set needed when analysing the "Behting Study"
8/8/7p/3KNN1k/2p4p/8/3P2p1/8 w - -
8/8/7p/3KNN1k/2p4p/8/3P2p1/8 w - -
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OK, I've extended the 7-man tablebase volume from 7 to 8 TB; after that, I can't reserve any more disk space for this. New disks (I have to throw out some old ones and start a new RAID) are about €2k, so we'll see when and if it comes to that. I guess the end estimate hasn't changed all that much.