What is the minimum odd that you can take to play Vs SF ?

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Re: What is the minimum odd that you can take to play Vs SF ?

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Chessqueen wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:52 pm
Guenther wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:32 pm A Rook is much too much combined with White pieces.
SF 9 with 2 cores and 512MB, thinking window and graph disabled during play.
TC 40/480, 5men Syzygy for SF. BTW SF went straight into time trouble for the first time control.

No idea yet why my times were not saved and I forgot to set a different contempt.
Anyhow, I moved extremely fast, more like in a bullet game, because the game was very boring with a Rook up in an exchange French.

[pgn][Event "Test_2019"] [Site "CAPPUCCINO"] [Date "2019.01.04"] [Round "-"] [White "Guenther Simon"] [Black "Stockfish 9 64 (UCI2WB)"] [Result "1-0"] [TimeControl "40/480"] [FEN "1nbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQk - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] {-------------- . n b q k b n r p p p p p p p p . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P P P P P P P P R N B Q K B N R white to play --------------} 1. e4 e6 {-5.34/23 14} 2. d4 d5 {-5.39/22 6} 3. exd5 exd5 {-5.35/22 4} 4. Nf3 Nf6 {-5.36/23 8} 5. Bd3 Be6 {-5.75/26 1:14} 6. O-O Be7 {-5.67/23 7} 7. Re1 O-O {-5.71/22 12} 8. Bf4 Nh5 {-5.79/25 19} 9. Bg3 Nxg3 {-5.34/21 8} 10. hxg3 Nd7 {-5.58/24 55} 11. Nbd2 Bf6 {-5.67/23 13} 12. Nb3 Bg4 {-5.32/21 10} 13. c3 g6 {-5.50/24 17} 14. Qd2 c6 {-5.57/23 9} 15. Ne5 Nxe5 {-5.25/19 2.0} 16. dxe5 Bg7 {-5.35/21 9} 17. f4 Re8 {-5.71/24 51} 18. Nd4 a5 {-5.22/19 10} 19. a4 Bc8 {-5.59/21 24} 20. Re2 Qb6 {-5.30/18 2.8} 21. Rae1 c5 {-5.47/21 19} 22. Bb5 Rf8 {-6.02/25 17} 23. Nf3 Be6 {-5.48/19 1.5} 24. Kh2 Rd8 {-5.80/23 15} 25. c4 d4 {-5.21/17 1.1} 26. Ng5 Ra8 {-5.73/24 23} 27. Nxe6 Qxe6 {-5.44/17 0.9} 28. Qd3 Rb8 {-5.97/25 18} 29. Qe4 Bf8 {-5.67/17 1.4} 30. Rf2 Bg7 {-6.30/22 10} 31. f5 gxf5 {-5.62/16 0.6} 32. Qxf5 Qxf5 {-6.17/22 6} 33. Rxf5 Rd8 {-6.24/21 1.3} 34. e6 fxe6 {-6.07/15 0.3} 35. Rxe6 d3 {-6.97/24 4} 36. Re8+ Rxe8 {-5.30/16 0.2} 37. Bxe8 Bxb2 {-6.83/23 2.6} 38. Rd5 Bd4 {-5.08/18 0.3} 39. Bh5 d2 {-5.97/24 1.4} 40. Rd7 b6 {-6.32/22 0.4} 41. Rb7 Bc3 {-7.18/39 59} 42. Be2 Kf8 {-7.33/38 36} 43. Kh3 Ke8 {-7.33/38 12} 44. Kg4 Kd8 {-7.33/36 11} 45. Rxb6 h6 {-7.34/34 7} 46. Rb7 Ke8 {-8.24/36 35} 47. Kf5 Bd4 {-8.32/31 13} 48. Ke6 Kf8 {-11.05/26 22} 49. g4 Bc3 {-8.52/26 12} 50. Rd7 Bb4 {-9.03/35 21} 51. Bf3 Kg8 {-1000.23/39 1:00} 52. Be4 Bc3 {-1000.21/42 4} 53. Kf5 Kf8 {-1000.21/44 10} 54. Kg6 Be5 {-132.25/27 14} 55. Rxd2 {User adjudication} 1-0[/pgn]

In move 54. Strockfish would never play Be5? explain that to me ? 54. Be5? 54. Bd4 possibly but never 54. Be5? Did you use an engine and remove the evaluation, but for move 54. decided to make such stupid move ?
Well in a hopepeless position yes SF decided to give the pawn up, but 54. Ke8 could put more resistance.
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Re: What is the minimum odd that you can take to play Vs SF ?

Post by Chessqueen »

Chessqueen wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:51 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:52 pm
Guenther wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:32 pm A Rook is much too much combined with White pieces.
SF 9 with 2 cores and 512MB, thinking window and graph disabled during play.
TC 40/480, 5men Syzygy for SF. BTW SF went straight into time trouble for the first time control.

No idea yet why my times were not saved and I forgot to set a different contempt.
Anyhow, I moved extremely fast, more like in a bullet game, because the game was very boring with a Rook up in an exchange French.

[pgn][Event "Test_2019"] [Site "CAPPUCCINO"] [Date "2019.01.04"] [Round "-"] [White "Guenther Simon"] [Black "Stockfish 9 64 (UCI2WB)"] [Result "1-0"] [TimeControl "40/480"] [FEN "1nbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQk - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] {-------------- . n b q k b n r p p p p p p p p . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P P P P P P P P R N B Q K B N R white to play --------------} 1. e4 e6 {-5.34/23 14} 2. d4 d5 {-5.39/22 6} 3. exd5 exd5 {-5.35/22 4} 4. Nf3 Nf6 {-5.36/23 8} 5. Bd3 Be6 {-5.75/26 1:14} 6. O-O Be7 {-5.67/23 7} 7. Re1 O-O {-5.71/22 12} 8. Bf4 Nh5 {-5.79/25 19} 9. Bg3 Nxg3 {-5.34/21 8} 10. hxg3 Nd7 {-5.58/24 55} 11. Nbd2 Bf6 {-5.67/23 13} 12. Nb3 Bg4 {-5.32/21 10} 13. c3 g6 {-5.50/24 17} 14. Qd2 c6 {-5.57/23 9} 15. Ne5 Nxe5 {-5.25/19 2.0} 16. dxe5 Bg7 {-5.35/21 9} 17. f4 Re8 {-5.71/24 51} 18. Nd4 a5 {-5.22/19 10} 19. a4 Bc8 {-5.59/21 24} 20. Re2 Qb6 {-5.30/18 2.8} 21. Rae1 c5 {-5.47/21 19} 22. Bb5 Rf8 {-6.02/25 17} 23. Nf3 Be6 {-5.48/19 1.5} 24. Kh2 Rd8 {-5.80/23 15} 25. c4 d4 {-5.21/17 1.1} 26. Ng5 Ra8 {-5.73/24 23} 27. Nxe6 Qxe6 {-5.44/17 0.9} 28. Qd3 Rb8 {-5.97/25 18} 29. Qe4 Bf8 {-5.67/17 1.4} 30. Rf2 Bg7 {-6.30/22 10} 31. f5 gxf5 {-5.62/16 0.6} 32. Qxf5 Qxf5 {-6.17/22 6} 33. Rxf5 Rd8 {-6.24/21 1.3} 34. e6 fxe6 {-6.07/15 0.3} 35. Rxe6 d3 {-6.97/24 4} 36. Re8+ Rxe8 {-5.30/16 0.2} 37. Bxe8 Bxb2 {-6.83/23 2.6} 38. Rd5 Bd4 {-5.08/18 0.3} 39. Bh5 d2 {-5.97/24 1.4} 40. Rd7 b6 {-6.32/22 0.4} 41. Rb7 Bc3 {-7.18/39 59} 42. Be2 Kf8 {-7.33/38 36} 43. Kh3 Ke8 {-7.33/38 12} 44. Kg4 Kd8 {-7.33/36 11} 45. Rxb6 h6 {-7.34/34 7} 46. Rb7 Ke8 {-8.24/36 35} 47. Kf5 Bd4 {-8.32/31 13} 48. Ke6 Kf8 {-11.05/26 22} 49. g4 Bc3 {-8.52/26 12} 50. Rd7 Bb4 {-9.03/35 21} 51. Bf3 Kg8 {-1000.23/39 1:00} 52. Be4 Bc3 {-1000.21/42 4} 53. Kf5 Kf8 {-1000.21/44 10} 54. Kg6 Be5 {-132.25/27 14} 55. Rxd2 {User adjudication} 1-0[/pgn]

In move 54. Strockfish would never play Be5? explain that to me ? 54. Be5? 54. Bd4 possibly but never 54. Be5? Did you use an engine and remove the evaluation, but for move 54. decided to make such stupid move ?
Well in a hopepeless position yes SF decided to give the pawn up, but 54. Ke8 could put more resistance.

This one I lost in time, with 3 more minutes I could had won this game !
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"] [Date "2019.01.05"] [Round "?"] [White "Stockfish_9_x64"] [Black "Joker"] [Result "1-0"] [BlackElo "2400"] [Time "08:39:44"] [WhiteElo "2000"] [TimeControl "300"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/P1PPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"] [Termination "time forfeit"] [PlyCount "89"] [WhiteType "program"] [BlackType "human"] 1. Nf3 {(Ng1-f3 Ng8-f6 e2-e3 e7-e6 Bc1-b2 d7-d5 c2-c4 Nb8-c6 Bf1-e2 Bf8-d6 Ra1-c1 d5xc4 Be2xc4 O-O O-O Bc8-d7 Bb2xf6 Qd8xf6 d2-d4 Kg8-h8 Kg1-h1) -4.41/20 10} b6 2. e4 {(e2-e4 Bc8-b7 e4-e5 e7-e6 Bc1-b2 Ng8-e7 d2-d4 c7-c5 Bf1-d3 Ne7-g6 O-O Nb8-c6 Bd3-e4 c5xd4 Bb2xd4 Bf8-b4 Bd4-b2 O-O Be4-d3) -4.48/19 8} Nc6 3. Bb5 {(Bf1-b5 Bc8-b7 d2-d3 e7-e6 O-O Ng8-f6 c2-c4 Bf8-e7 e4-e5 Nf6-g4 d3-d4 Nc6-a5 h2-h3 Ng4-h6 Bc1xh6 g7xh6 Qd1-d3 f7-f5 e5xf6/ep Be7xf6 Ra1-e1 O-O Re1-b1 d7-d6) -4.08/18 4} Bb7 4. O-O {(O-O a7-a6 Bb5-a4 b6-b5 Ba4-b3 e7-e6 c2-c3 Nc6-a5 d2-d3 d7-d5 e4-e5 c7-c5 d3-d4 Ng8-e7 Bb3-c2 Ne7-c6 Ra1-b1 c5xd4 c3xd4 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 b5-b4) -4.17/19 9} g6 5. Bb2 {(Bc1-b2 Ng8-f6 e4-e5 Nf6-h5 e5-e6 f7-f6 Nf3-g5 f6xg5 Bb2xh8 Nh5-f4 Qd1-g4 Nf4xe6 Ra1-e1 a7-a6 Bb5-a4 Ne6-c5 Ba4xc6 Bb7xc6 Qg4xg5 Nc5-e4) -3.25/16 1} Nf6 6. e5 {(e4-e5 Nf6-h5 e5-e6 Bf8-g7 Bb2xg7 Nh5xg7 e6xf7+ Ke8xf7 Nf3-g5+ Kf7-f8 Qd1-f3+ Ng7-f5 Bb5xc6 Bb7xc6 Qf3-c3 Kf8-g8 Qc3xh8+ Kg8xh8 Ng5-f7+ Kh8-g8 Nf7xd8 Ra8xd8 f2-f3 Kg8-f7 c2-c3 Nf5-d6 Kg1-f2 e7-e6 a2-a3) -3.20/19 3} Nh5 7. e6 {(e5-e6 Bf8-g7 Bb2xg7 Nh5xg7 e6xf7+ Ke8xf7 Bb5xc6 Bb7xc6 Nf3-e5+ Kf7-g8 Ne5xc6 d7xc6 Rf1-e1 h7-h5 c2-c3 Kg8-h7 d2-d4 e7-e6 a2-a4 Rh8-f8 a4-a5 Qd8-g5 Re1-e3 c6-c5 Qd1-e2 Rf8-d8 d4xc5 Qg5xc5 a5xb6 a7xb6) -4.01/20 7} Bg7 8. Bxg7 {(Bb2xg7 Nh5xg7 e6xf7+ Ke8xf7 Bb5xc6 Bb7xc6 Nf3-e5+ Kf7-g8 Ne5xc6 d7xc6 Rf1-e1 h7-h5 Qd1-e2 Kg8-h7 a2-a4 Ng7-f5 Ra1-a3 c6-c5 a4-a5 Rh8-e8 a5xb6) -4.07/20 3} Nxg7 9. exf7+ {(e6xf7+ Ke8xf7 Nf3-g5+ Kf7-g8 Qd1-f3 Qd8-e8 Ra1-e1 h7-h6 Bb5-c4+ e7-e6 Ng5-e4 Ng7-h5 Qf3-c3 d7-d5 g2-g4 d5xe4 g4xh5 Nc6-a5 Re1-e3 Rh8-h7 h5xg6 Rh7-g7 Bc4-b3 Rg7xg6+ Re3-g3 c7-c5 Rg3xg6+ Qe8xg6+ Qc3-g3 Qg6xg3+ f2xg3 Na5xb3) -4.03/19 3} Kxf7 10. Bxc6 {(Bb5xc6 d7xc6 Nf3-e5+ Kf7-g8 Rf1-e1 c6-c5 a2-a4 Ng7-f5 a4-a5 Kg8-g7 d2-d3 Qd8-d5 f2-f3 Qd5-d4+ Kg1-h1 Qd4-h4 c2-c3 Qh4-g5 Qd1-e2 Bb7-d5 Qe2-f2 h7-h5 Kh1-g1 Rh8-f8 a5-a6 Bd5-e6 Kg1-h1 Nf5-h4) -4.32/23 29} dxc6 11. Ne5+ {(Nf3-e5+ Kf7-g8 Rf1-e1 c6-c5 a2-a4 Qd8-d5 f2-f3 Ng7-f5 a4-a5 Kg8-g7 Kg1-h1 Qd5-d4 c2-c3 Qd4-f2 Ne5-g4 Qf2-h4 Kh1-g1 Qh4-g5 Qd1-e2 Qg5-f4 d2-d3 Qf4-d6) -4.30/20 1} Kg8 12. d4 {(d2-d4 Ng7-f5 c2-c3 Qd8-d5 Qd1-b3 Kg8-g7 Rf1-e1 c6-c5 Qb3xd5 Bb7xd5 c3-c4 Bd5-f7 d4xc5 Rh8-d8 Ne5-c6 Rd8-d2 Re1-e4 b6xc5 Re4-e5 Bf7xc4 Re5xc5 Bc4xa2 g2-g4 Nf5-h6 Nc6-e5 Ba2-e6 Rc5xc7) -4.27/21 5} Nf5 13. c3 {(c2-c3 Qd8-d5 Qd1-b3 Kg8-g7 Rf1-e1 c6-c5 Qb3xd5 Bb7xd5 d4xc5 Rh8-d8 Ra1-b1 Bd5xa2 Rb1-b2 Ba2-d5 Rb2-d2 Bd5-b7 Rd2-b2 Rd8-d5 c5-c6 Bb7-c8 c3-c4 Rd5-a5 Rb2-b5 Nf5-d4 Rb5xa5) -4.30/21 2} Qd5 14. Qb3 {(Qd1-b3 Kg8-g7 Rf1-e1 c6-c5 Qb3xd5 Bb7xd5 d4xc5 Rh8-d8 a2-a4 b6xc5 c3-c4 Bd5-f7 Ne5xf7 Kg7xf7 Re1-e5 Nf5-d4 Ra1-e1 Nd4-c2 Re1-f1 Rd8-d7 Re5xc5 Nc2-b4 Rc5-a5 Nb4-d3 Rf1-b1 c7-c5 f2-f3 Rd7-d4) -4.03/20 2} Kg7 15. Rfe1 {(Rf1-e1 c6-c5 Qb3xd5 Bb7xd5 d4xc5 Rh8-d8 c3-c4 Bd5-f7 Ra1-b1 Nf5-d4 Rb1-b2 b6xc5 Rb2-b7 Nd4-e6 g2-g3 Rd8-d2 a2-a3 Rd2-d6 Rb7-b3 g6-g5 Rb3-b5 Ra8-d8 Rb5-a5 a7-a6 h2-h3 Bf7-e8 Kg1-g2) -4.39/20 6} Rhf8 16. Nd3 {(Ne5-d3 c6-c5 Nd3-f4 Qd5xb3 a2xb3 Kg7-f6 d4xc5 e7-e5 Nf4-d3 e5-e4 Nd3-f4 g6-g5 Nf4-e2 Kf6-g6 c5xb6 a7xb6 h2-h3 Nf5-d6 c3-c4 Ra8xa1 Re1xa1) -4.17/17 2} Qxb3 17. axb3 {(a2xb3 Kg7-f6 f2-f3 Rf8-d8 b3-b4 Nf5-d6 Re1-e5 Bb7-c8 Nd3-f2 Rd8-e8 g2-g4 a7-a5 b4xa5 Nd6-c4 Re5-e1 Ra8xa5) -3.95/16 2} a5 18. f3 {(f2-f3 Ra8-e8) -4.30/21 35} Rae8 19. Rad1 {(Ra1-d1 e7-e6 Nd3-f4 Bb7-c8 Kg1-f2 Nf5-d6 Nf4-d3 Bc8-a6 Nd3-e5 Ba6-b7 Re1-e2 Re8-d8 Rd1-e1 h7-h5 h2-h3 Nd6-f5 Ne5-c4 Bb7-c8 Nc4-e5 Nf5-e7) -4.29/20 12} e6 20. Ne5 {(Nd3-e5 Nf5-d6 Re1-e3 Re8-d8 Ne5-d3 Bb7-c8 Nd3-e5 Nd6-f5 Re3-e1 Bc8-b7 Rd1-a1 Rf8-e8 Kg1-f2 Nf5-d6 Re1-e3 Re8-f8 Ra1-e1 c6-c5 d4xc5 b6xc5 Re3-e2 Rf8-f5 Ne5-g4 Nd6-b5) -4.37/21 11} Nd6 21. Re3 {(Re1-e3 Re8-d8 Ne5-d3 Bb7-c8 Kg1-f2 Rf8-f5 Rd1-b1 Bc8-a6 Nd3-e5 Ba6-b7 Rb1-e1 c6-c5 d4xc5 b6xc5 Re3-e2 g6-g5 Re2-e3 h7-h5 c3-c4 Rf5-f8) -4.20/18 1} Rd8 22. Nd3 {(Ne5-d3 Bb7-c8 Nd3-e5 Nd6-f5 Re3-e1 Bc8-b7 Rd1-a1 Nf5-d6 Re1-e2 Nd6-f7 Ne5-g4 Bb7-c8 Kg1-f2 Rd8-d5 b3-b4 a5xb4 c3xb4 Rd5xd4 Ra1-a7 Rd4-d7) -4.25/20 3} Bc8 23. Ne5 {(Nd3-e5 Nd6-f5 Re3-e1 Bc8-b7 Kg1-f2 g6-g5 Ne5-d3 Kg7-f6 Kf2-g1 Rd8-d5 Nd3-f2 Rf8-e8 Nf2-g4+ Kf6-g7 Ng4-f2 h7-h5 Nf2-e4 Kg7-g6 Kg1-f2 e6-e5 g2-g4 h5xg4 f3xg4 Nf5-h4 d4xe5 Re8xe5) -4.53/21 13} Nf5 24. Ree1 {(Re3-e1 Bc8-b7 Ne5-d3 Rf8-e8 h2-h3 g6-g5 Kg1-f2 Rd8-d5 f3-f4 Nf5-d6 Kf2-g1 Rd5-b5 Rd1-b1 g5xf4 Nd3xf4 e6-e5 c3-c4 Nd6xc4 Nf4-h5+ Kg7-g6 Nh5-f4+ e5xf4 Re1xe8 Nc4-d2 Rb1-b2) -4.56/21 12} Bb7 25. Nd3 {(Ne5-d3 Rf8-e8 Kg1-f2 Nf5-d6 Re1-e3 g6-g5 h2-h4 g5xh4 Nd3-f4 Bb7-c8 Rd1-e1 Kg7-f7 Nf4-d3 Nd6-f5 Re3-e4 c6-c5 Nd3-e5+ Kf7-f6 Ne5-g4+ Kf6-g7 Ng4-e3 e6-e5 d4xc5 Rd8-d2+ Kf2-g1 Nf5xe3 Re1xe3 Bc8-e6 c5xb6 c7xb6) -4.65/22 10} Nd6 26. Rxe6 {(Re1xe6 Nd6-b5 Rd1-c1 Rd8-e8 Re6xe8 Rf8xe8 Kg1-f2 g6-g5 f3-f4 Re8-f8 Kf2-e3 g5xf4+ Nd3xf4 Rf8-e8+ Ke3-d2 Nb5-d6 Rc1-e1 Re8xe1 Kd2xe1 Kg7-f6 Ke1-d2 Nd6-e4+ Kd2-c2 c6-c5) -4.07/16 0} Nb5 27. Rc1 {(Rd1-c1 Rd8-e8 Re6xe8 Rf8xe8 Kg1-f2 Bb7-c8 Nd3-f4 g6-g5 Nf4-e2 Bc8-f5 g2-g4 Bf5-d3 Ne2-g3 Bd3-g6 Ng3-e2 Kg7-f6 h2-h3 Re8-d8 Kf2-e3 c6-c5 Ke3-f2 Bg6-f7 d4xc5 Bf7xb3 Ne2-g3 a5-a4 Ng3-e4+ Kf6-g6 c3-c4 Nb5-d4 c5xb6 c7xb6) -4.72/24 10} Rde8 28. Nf4 {(Nd3-f4 Bb7-c8 Re6xe8 Rf8xe8 Kg1-f2 g6-g5 Nf4-e2 Bc8-f5 g2-g4 Bf5-d3 Ne2-g3 Bd3-g6 Ng3-e2 Kg7-f6 c3-c4 Nb5-a3 d4-d5 c6xd5 c4xd5 Na3-c2 Ne2-g3 Nc2-d4 Rc1xc7 Kf6-e5 Rc7-d7 Nd4xb3 Rd7-b7 Nb3-d4 Rb7xb6 Ke5xd5) -4.60/24 7} Bc8 29. Rxe8 {(Re6xe8 Rf8xe8 Kg1-f2 g6-g5 Nf4-e2 Bc8-f5 Rc1-e1 Kg7-f6 c3-c4 Nb5-a3 Re1-d1 Bf5-c2 Rd1-a1 Bc2-d3 Ne2-c3 Na3-c2 Ra1-d1 Bd3-g6 d4-d5 Re8-e3 Nc3-e4+ Bg6xe4 f3xe4 Re3xe4 d5-d6 c7xd6 Rd1xd6+ Re4-e6 Rd6-d7 Kf6-g6) -4.78/23 1} Rxe8 30. Kf2 {(Kg1-f2 g6-g5 Nf4-e2 Bc8-f5 g2-g4 Bf5-d3 Ne2-g3 Bd3-g6 Ng3-e2 Kg7-f6 Rc1-h1 Bg6-c2 c3-c4 Nb5-d6 Ne2-c1 a5-a4 b3xa4 Nd6xc4 h2-h4 g5xh4 Rh1xh4 Kf6-g7 Nc1-e2 Nc4-b2 Ne2-c3 Nb2-d1+ Nc3xd1 Bc2xd1 Rh4-h5 Bd1xa4 Rh5-g5+ Kg7-f6 Rg5-f5+ Kf6-g6) -4.67/22 3} g5 31. Ne2 {(Nf4-e2 Bc8-f5 Rc1-e1 Kg7-f6 Re1-c1 Bf5-d3 Ne2-g3 Bd3-g6 Ng3-f1 h7-h5 g2-g3 Bg6-f5 h2-h4 g5xh4 g3xh4 Bf5-e6 Nf1-d2 Kf6-f7 Nd2-c4 Be6xc4 b3xc4 Nb5-d6 c4-c5 Nd6-f5 c5xb6) -4.78/21 2} Bf5 32. Re1 {(Rc1-e1 Kg7-f6 g2-g4 Bf5-g6 Re1-h1 Bg6-c2 c3-c4 Nb5-d6 Ne2-c1 a5-a4 b3xa4 Nd6xc4 h2-h4 g5xh4 Rh1xh4 Re8-a8 f3-f4 Kf6-g7 Nc1-e2 Ra8xa4 f4-f5 Nc4-d6 Rh4-h3 Nd6-b5 Ne2-f4) -4.86/21 4} Kf6 33. Rc1 {(Re1-c1 Bf5-g6 g2-g4 Nb5-a3 Rc1-d1 Bg6-c2 Rd1-a1 Na3-b5 c3-c4 Re8xe2+ Kf2xe2 Nb5xd4+ Ke2-d2 Bc2xb3 Kd2-c3 c6-c5 Ra1-h1 a5-a4 h2-h4 g5xh4 Rh1xh4 Kf6-g6 f3-f4 Nd4-e2+ Kc3-d3 Ne2xf4+ Kd3-c3) -5.16/21 6} Bg6 34. h3 {(h2-h3 h7-h5 c3-c4 Re8xe2+ Kf2xe2 Nb5xd4+ Ke2-e3 Nd4xb3 Rc1-c3 a5-a4 f3-f4 Kf6-f5 f4xg5 Kf5xg5 Ke3-f3 Bg6-c2 Kf3-e3 Bc2-f5 Ke3-f3 Nb3-d4+ Kf3-f2 Bf5-c2 Rc3-g3+ Kg5-f4 Rg3-g8 Kf4-e4 g2-g4 h5xg4 h3xg4 Ke4-d3) -5.24/22 5} h5 35. c4 {(c3-c4 Re8xe2+ Kf2xe2 Nb5xd4+ Ke2-e3 Nd4xb3 Rc1-c3 a5-a4 f3-f4 Kf6-f5 f4xg5 Kf5xg5 g2-g3 Bg6-f5 h3-h4+ Kg5-g4 Ke3-e2 Nb3-c5 Ke2-f1 Bf5-d3+ Kf1-e1 Bd3-g6 Ke1-d1 Nc5-e4 Rc3-a3 b6-b5 Kd1-c1 Ne4xg3 c4xb5 c6xb5) -5.66/23 10} Rxe2+ 36. Kxe2 {(Kf2xe2 Nb5xd4+ Ke2-e3 Nd4xb3 Rc1-c3 a5-a4 f3-f4 Kf6-f5 f4xg5 Kf5xg5 g2-g3 Bg6-f5 h3-h4+ Kg5-g4 Ke3-e2 Nb3-c5 Ke2-f1 Bf5-g6 Kf1-e2 Nc5-e4 Rc3-a3 b6-b5 Ke2-d3 Ne4xg3+ Kd3-d4) -5.42/19 0} Nxd4+ 37. Ke3 {(Ke2-e3 Nd4xb3 Rc1-c3 a5-a4 f3-f4 Kf6-f5 f4xg5 Kf5xg5 g2-g3 Bg6-f5 h3-h4+ Kg5-g4 Ke3-f2 Nb3-d2 Kf2-e2 Nd2-e4 Rc3-f3 Bf5-g6 Rf3-f8 Ne4xg3+ Ke2-f2 Kg4xh4 Rf8-a8 b6-b5 c4xb5 Ng3-e4+ Kf2-e3 c6xb5) -5.82/21 1} Nxb3 38. Rc3 {(Rc1-c3 a5-a4 f3-f4 Kf6-f5 f4xg5 Kf5xg5 Ke3-f2 Kg5-f4 g2-g4 Kf4-e5 g4xh5 Bg6xh5 Kf2-e3 Bh5-f7 h3-h4 Bf7-g6 h4-h5 Bg6xh5 Rc3-c2 Bh5-f7 Rc2-a2 Nb3-c5 Ra2-c2 Bf7-e6 Rc2-c3 Be6-g4) -5.94/20 1} a4 39. f4 {(f3-f4 Kf6-f5 f4xg5 Kf5xg5 Ke3-f3 Kg5-f5 g2-g4+ Kf5-e5 g4xh5 Bg6xh5+ Kf3-g3 Ke5-d4 Rc3-c2 Kd4-d3 Rc2-f2 Nb3-c5 Kg3-h4 Bh5-d1 Rf2-f1 Bd1-b3 Kh4-g3 a4-a3 h3-h4 Kd3-c3 Kg3-g4 a3-a2 h4-h5 Bb3xc4 Rf1-c1+ Kc3-b2) -6.01/21 1} Kf5 40. fxg5 {(f4xg5 Kf5xg5 Ke3-f3 Kg5-f5 g2-g4+ Kf5-e5 g4xh5 Bg6xh5+ Kf3-g3 Ke5-d4 Rc3-c2 Kd4-d3 Rc2-a2 Nb3-c5 h3-h4 Kd3xc4 Kg3-f4 b6-b5 Kf4-g5 Bh5-f3 Ra2-c2+ Kc4-d4 h4-h5 b5-b4 h5-h6 Bf3-e4 Rc2-d2+ Kd4-c3) -5.98/19 0} Kxg5 41. Kf2 {(Ke3-f2 Kg5-f4 Rc3-e3 Bg6-e4 g2-g4 h5xg4 h3xg4 b6-b5 c4xb5 c6xb5 g4-g5 Nb3-c5 Re3-c3 Nc5-e6 Rc3-a3 Ne6xg5 Kf2-e2 c7-c5 Ke2-d2 Kf4-e5 Kd2-c1 Ng5-e6 Ra3-a1) -6.13/21 2} Kf5 42. Re3 {(Rc3-e3 b6-b5 g2-g4+ h5xg4 h3xg4+ Kf5-f4 c4xb5 c6xb5 Re3-e6 Bg6-d3 Re6-f6+ Kf4-g5 Rf6-a6 c7-c5 Ra6-a7 Kg5xg4 Ra7-d7 Bd3-f5 Rd7-d6 a4-a3 Rd6-d1) -5.86/15 0} b5 43. g4+ {(g2-g4+ h5xg4 h3xg4+ Kf5xg4 Re3-e6 Bg6-d3 Re6xc6 a4-a3 Kf2-e3 a3-a2 Rc6-a6 Bd3-b1 c4xb5 a2-a1Q Ra6xa1 Nb3xa1 Ke3-d4 Na1-b3+ Kd4-c4 Nb3-d2+ Kc4-c3 Nd2-f3 Kc3-c4 Bb1-e4 Kc4-c3 Nf3-e5 Kc3-b3) -7.12/20 6} hxg4 44. hxg4+ {(h3xg4+ Kf5xg4 Re3-e6 Bg6-d3 Re6xc6 a4-a3 Rc6-a6 b5-b4 Ra6-a4 c7-c5 Kf2-e1 Bd3xc4 Ke1-d1 Nb3-d4 Kd1-d2 Kg4-f4 Ra4-a7 Kf4-e5 Kd2-c1 Bc4-d3 Ra7-d7) -7.83/19 5} Kxg4 45. Re6 {(Re3-e6 Bg6-d3 Re6xc6 a4-a3 Rc6-a6 b5-b4 Kf2-e3 Bd3xc4 Ra6-a4 Kg4-f5 Ke3-f2 c7-c5 Kf2-e1 Kf5-g4 Ke1-d1 Bc4-d3 Ra4-a7 Bd3-e4 Ra7-a6 Kg4-f4 Ra6-a7 Kf4-e3) -8.90/21 4} ... {Black forfeits on time} 1-0 [\pgn][/pgn]
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Re: What is the minimum odd that you can take to play Vs SF ?

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Chessqueen wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:53 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:51 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:52 pm
Guenther wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:32 pm


This one I lost in time, with 3 more minutes I could had won this game !
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"] [Date "2019.01.05"] [Round "?"] [White "Stockfish_9_x64"] [Black "Joker"] [Result "1-0"] [BlackElo "2400"] [Time "08:39:44"] [WhiteElo "2000"] [TimeControl "300"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/P1PPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"] [Termination "time forfeit"] [PlyCount "89"] [WhiteType "program"] [BlackType "human"] 1. Nf3 {(Ng1-f3 Ng8-f6 e2-e3 e7-e6 Bc1-b2 d7-d5 c2-c4 Nb8-c6 Bf1-e2 Bf8-d6 Ra1-c1 d5xc4 Be2xc4 O-O O-O Bc8-d7 Bb2xf6 Qd8xf6 d2-d4 Kg8-h8 Kg1-h1) -4.41/20 10} b6 2. e4 {(e2-e4 Bc8-b7 e4-e5 e7-e6 Bc1-b2 Ng8-e7 d2-d4 c7-c5 Bf1-d3 Ne7-g6 O-O Nb8-c6 Bd3-e4 c5xd4 Bb2xd4 Bf8-b4 Bd4-b2 O-O Be4-d3) -4.48/19 8} Nc6 3. Bb5 {(Bf1-b5 Bc8-b7 d2-d3 e7-e6 O-O Ng8-f6 c2-c4 Bf8-e7 e4-e5 Nf6-g4 d3-d4 Nc6-a5 h2-h3 Ng4-h6 Bc1xh6 g7xh6 Qd1-d3 f7-f5 e5xf6/ep Be7xf6 Ra1-e1 O-O Re1-b1 d7-d6) -4.08/18 4} Bb7 4. O-O {(O-O a7-a6 Bb5-a4 b6-b5 Ba4-b3 e7-e6 c2-c3 Nc6-a5 d2-d3 d7-d5 e4-e5 c7-c5 d3-d4 Ng8-e7 Bb3-c2 Ne7-c6 Ra1-b1 c5xd4 c3xd4 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 b5-b4) -4.17/19 9} g6 5. Bb2 {(Bc1-b2 Ng8-f6 e4-e5 Nf6-h5 e5-e6 f7-f6 Nf3-g5 f6xg5 Bb2xh8 Nh5-f4 Qd1-g4 Nf4xe6 Ra1-e1 a7-a6 Bb5-a4 Ne6-c5 Ba4xc6 Bb7xc6 Qg4xg5 Nc5-e4) -3.25/16 1} Nf6 6. e5 {(e4-e5 Nf6-h5 e5-e6 Bf8-g7 Bb2xg7 Nh5xg7 e6xf7+ Ke8xf7 Nf3-g5+ Kf7-f8 Qd1-f3+ Ng7-f5 Bb5xc6 Bb7xc6 Qf3-c3 Kf8-g8 Qc3xh8+ Kg8xh8 Ng5-f7+ Kh8-g8 Nf7xd8 Ra8xd8 f2-f3 Kg8-f7 c2-c3 Nf5-d6 Kg1-f2 e7-e6 a2-a3) -3.20/19 3} Nh5 7. e6 {(e5-e6 Bf8-g7 Bb2xg7 Nh5xg7 e6xf7+ Ke8xf7 Bb5xc6 Bb7xc6 Nf3-e5+ Kf7-g8 Ne5xc6 d7xc6 Rf1-e1 h7-h5 c2-c3 Kg8-h7 d2-d4 e7-e6 a2-a4 Rh8-f8 a4-a5 Qd8-g5 Re1-e3 c6-c5 Qd1-e2 Rf8-d8 d4xc5 Qg5xc5 a5xb6 a7xb6) -4.01/20 7} Bg7 8. Bxg7 {(Bb2xg7 Nh5xg7 e6xf7+ Ke8xf7 Bb5xc6 Bb7xc6 Nf3-e5+ Kf7-g8 Ne5xc6 d7xc6 Rf1-e1 h7-h5 Qd1-e2 Kg8-h7 a2-a4 Ng7-f5 Ra1-a3 c6-c5 a4-a5 Rh8-e8 a5xb6) -4.07/20 3} Nxg7 9. exf7+ {(e6xf7+ Ke8xf7 Nf3-g5+ Kf7-g8 Qd1-f3 Qd8-e8 Ra1-e1 h7-h6 Bb5-c4+ e7-e6 Ng5-e4 Ng7-h5 Qf3-c3 d7-d5 g2-g4 d5xe4 g4xh5 Nc6-a5 Re1-e3 Rh8-h7 h5xg6 Rh7-g7 Bc4-b3 Rg7xg6+ Re3-g3 c7-c5 Rg3xg6+ Qe8xg6+ Qc3-g3 Qg6xg3+ f2xg3 Na5xb3) -4.03/19 3} Kxf7 10. Bxc6 {(Bb5xc6 d7xc6 Nf3-e5+ Kf7-g8 Rf1-e1 c6-c5 a2-a4 Ng7-f5 a4-a5 Kg8-g7 d2-d3 Qd8-d5 f2-f3 Qd5-d4+ Kg1-h1 Qd4-h4 c2-c3 Qh4-g5 Qd1-e2 Bb7-d5 Qe2-f2 h7-h5 Kh1-g1 Rh8-f8 a5-a6 Bd5-e6 Kg1-h1 Nf5-h4) -4.32/23 29} dxc6 11. Ne5+ {(Nf3-e5+ Kf7-g8 Rf1-e1 c6-c5 a2-a4 Qd8-d5 f2-f3 Ng7-f5 a4-a5 Kg8-g7 Kg1-h1 Qd5-d4 c2-c3 Qd4-f2 Ne5-g4 Qf2-h4 Kh1-g1 Qh4-g5 Qd1-e2 Qg5-f4 d2-d3 Qf4-d6) -4.30/20 1} Kg8 12. d4 {(d2-d4 Ng7-f5 c2-c3 Qd8-d5 Qd1-b3 Kg8-g7 Rf1-e1 c6-c5 Qb3xd5 Bb7xd5 c3-c4 Bd5-f7 d4xc5 Rh8-d8 Ne5-c6 Rd8-d2 Re1-e4 b6xc5 Re4-e5 Bf7xc4 Re5xc5 Bc4xa2 g2-g4 Nf5-h6 Nc6-e5 Ba2-e6 Rc5xc7) -4.27/21 5} Nf5 13. c3 {(c2-c3 Qd8-d5 Qd1-b3 Kg8-g7 Rf1-e1 c6-c5 Qb3xd5 Bb7xd5 d4xc5 Rh8-d8 Ra1-b1 Bd5xa2 Rb1-b2 Ba2-d5 Rb2-d2 Bd5-b7 Rd2-b2 Rd8-d5 c5-c6 Bb7-c8 c3-c4 Rd5-a5 Rb2-b5 Nf5-d4 Rb5xa5) -4.30/21 2} Qd5 14. Qb3 {(Qd1-b3 Kg8-g7 Rf1-e1 c6-c5 Qb3xd5 Bb7xd5 d4xc5 Rh8-d8 a2-a4 b6xc5 c3-c4 Bd5-f7 Ne5xf7 Kg7xf7 Re1-e5 Nf5-d4 Ra1-e1 Nd4-c2 Re1-f1 Rd8-d7 Re5xc5 Nc2-b4 Rc5-a5 Nb4-d3 Rf1-b1 c7-c5 f2-f3 Rd7-d4) -4.03/20 2} Kg7 15. Rfe1 {(Rf1-e1 c6-c5 Qb3xd5 Bb7xd5 d4xc5 Rh8-d8 c3-c4 Bd5-f7 Ra1-b1 Nf5-d4 Rb1-b2 b6xc5 Rb2-b7 Nd4-e6 g2-g3 Rd8-d2 a2-a3 Rd2-d6 Rb7-b3 g6-g5 Rb3-b5 Ra8-d8 Rb5-a5 a7-a6 h2-h3 Bf7-e8 Kg1-g2) -4.39/20 6} Rhf8 16. Nd3 {(Ne5-d3 c6-c5 Nd3-f4 Qd5xb3 a2xb3 Kg7-f6 d4xc5 e7-e5 Nf4-d3 e5-e4 Nd3-f4 g6-g5 Nf4-e2 Kf6-g6 c5xb6 a7xb6 h2-h3 Nf5-d6 c3-c4 Ra8xa1 Re1xa1) -4.17/17 2} Qxb3 17. axb3 {(a2xb3 Kg7-f6 f2-f3 Rf8-d8 b3-b4 Nf5-d6 Re1-e5 Bb7-c8 Nd3-f2 Rd8-e8 g2-g4 a7-a5 b4xa5 Nd6-c4 Re5-e1 Ra8xa5) -3.95/16 2} a5 18. f3 {(f2-f3 Ra8-e8) -4.30/21 35} Rae8 19. Rad1 {(Ra1-d1 e7-e6 Nd3-f4 Bb7-c8 Kg1-f2 Nf5-d6 Nf4-d3 Bc8-a6 Nd3-e5 Ba6-b7 Re1-e2 Re8-d8 Rd1-e1 h7-h5 h2-h3 Nd6-f5 Ne5-c4 Bb7-c8 Nc4-e5 Nf5-e7) -4.29/20 12} e6 20. Ne5 {(Nd3-e5 Nf5-d6 Re1-e3 Re8-d8 Ne5-d3 Bb7-c8 Nd3-e5 Nd6-f5 Re3-e1 Bc8-b7 Rd1-a1 Rf8-e8 Kg1-f2 Nf5-d6 Re1-e3 Re8-f8 Ra1-e1 c6-c5 d4xc5 b6xc5 Re3-e2 Rf8-f5 Ne5-g4 Nd6-b5) -4.37/21 11} Nd6 21. Re3 {(Re1-e3 Re8-d8 Ne5-d3 Bb7-c8 Kg1-f2 Rf8-f5 Rd1-b1 Bc8-a6 Nd3-e5 Ba6-b7 Rb1-e1 c6-c5 d4xc5 b6xc5 Re3-e2 g6-g5 Re2-e3 h7-h5 c3-c4 Rf5-f8) -4.20/18 1} Rd8 22. Nd3 {(Ne5-d3 Bb7-c8 Nd3-e5 Nd6-f5 Re3-e1 Bc8-b7 Rd1-a1 Nf5-d6 Re1-e2 Nd6-f7 Ne5-g4 Bb7-c8 Kg1-f2 Rd8-d5 b3-b4 a5xb4 c3xb4 Rd5xd4 Ra1-a7 Rd4-d7) -4.25/20 3} Bc8 23. Ne5 {(Nd3-e5 Nd6-f5 Re3-e1 Bc8-b7 Kg1-f2 g6-g5 Ne5-d3 Kg7-f6 Kf2-g1 Rd8-d5 Nd3-f2 Rf8-e8 Nf2-g4+ Kf6-g7 Ng4-f2 h7-h5 Nf2-e4 Kg7-g6 Kg1-f2 e6-e5 g2-g4 h5xg4 f3xg4 Nf5-h4 d4xe5 Re8xe5) -4.53/21 13} Nf5 24. Ree1 {(Re3-e1 Bc8-b7 Ne5-d3 Rf8-e8 h2-h3 g6-g5 Kg1-f2 Rd8-d5 f3-f4 Nf5-d6 Kf2-g1 Rd5-b5 Rd1-b1 g5xf4 Nd3xf4 e6-e5 c3-c4 Nd6xc4 Nf4-h5+ Kg7-g6 Nh5-f4+ e5xf4 Re1xe8 Nc4-d2 Rb1-b2) -4.56/21 12} Bb7 25. Nd3 {(Ne5-d3 Rf8-e8 Kg1-f2 Nf5-d6 Re1-e3 g6-g5 h2-h4 g5xh4 Nd3-f4 Bb7-c8 Rd1-e1 Kg7-f7 Nf4-d3 Nd6-f5 Re3-e4 c6-c5 Nd3-e5+ Kf7-f6 Ne5-g4+ Kf6-g7 Ng4-e3 e6-e5 d4xc5 Rd8-d2+ Kf2-g1 Nf5xe3 Re1xe3 Bc8-e6 c5xb6 c7xb6) -4.65/22 10} Nd6 26. Rxe6 {(Re1xe6 Nd6-b5 Rd1-c1 Rd8-e8 Re6xe8 Rf8xe8 Kg1-f2 g6-g5 f3-f4 Re8-f8 Kf2-e3 g5xf4+ Nd3xf4 Rf8-e8+ Ke3-d2 Nb5-d6 Rc1-e1 Re8xe1 Kd2xe1 Kg7-f6 Ke1-d2 Nd6-e4+ Kd2-c2 c6-c5) -4.07/16 0} Nb5 27. Rc1 {(Rd1-c1 Rd8-e8 Re6xe8 Rf8xe8 Kg1-f2 Bb7-c8 Nd3-f4 g6-g5 Nf4-e2 Bc8-f5 g2-g4 Bf5-d3 Ne2-g3 Bd3-g6 Ng3-e2 Kg7-f6 h2-h3 Re8-d8 Kf2-e3 c6-c5 Ke3-f2 Bg6-f7 d4xc5 Bf7xb3 Ne2-g3 a5-a4 Ng3-e4+ Kf6-g6 c3-c4 Nb5-d4 c5xb6 c7xb6) -4.72/24 10} Rde8 28. Nf4 {(Nd3-f4 Bb7-c8 Re6xe8 Rf8xe8 Kg1-f2 g6-g5 Nf4-e2 Bc8-f5 g2-g4 Bf5-d3 Ne2-g3 Bd3-g6 Ng3-e2 Kg7-f6 c3-c4 Nb5-a3 d4-d5 c6xd5 c4xd5 Na3-c2 Ne2-g3 Nc2-d4 Rc1xc7 Kf6-e5 Rc7-d7 Nd4xb3 Rd7-b7 Nb3-d4 Rb7xb6 Ke5xd5) -4.60/24 7} Bc8 29. Rxe8 {(Re6xe8 Rf8xe8 Kg1-f2 g6-g5 Nf4-e2 Bc8-f5 Rc1-e1 Kg7-f6 c3-c4 Nb5-a3 Re1-d1 Bf5-c2 Rd1-a1 Bc2-d3 Ne2-c3 Na3-c2 Ra1-d1 Bd3-g6 d4-d5 Re8-e3 Nc3-e4+ Bg6xe4 f3xe4 Re3xe4 d5-d6 c7xd6 Rd1xd6+ Re4-e6 Rd6-d7 Kf6-g6) -4.78/23 1} Rxe8 30. Kf2 {(Kg1-f2 g6-g5 Nf4-e2 Bc8-f5 g2-g4 Bf5-d3 Ne2-g3 Bd3-g6 Ng3-e2 Kg7-f6 Rc1-h1 Bg6-c2 c3-c4 Nb5-d6 Ne2-c1 a5-a4 b3xa4 Nd6xc4 h2-h4 g5xh4 Rh1xh4 Kf6-g7 Nc1-e2 Nc4-b2 Ne2-c3 Nb2-d1+ Nc3xd1 Bc2xd1 Rh4-h5 Bd1xa4 Rh5-g5+ Kg7-f6 Rg5-f5+ Kf6-g6) -4.67/22 3} g5 31. Ne2 {(Nf4-e2 Bc8-f5 Rc1-e1 Kg7-f6 Re1-c1 Bf5-d3 Ne2-g3 Bd3-g6 Ng3-f1 h7-h5 g2-g3 Bg6-f5 h2-h4 g5xh4 g3xh4 Bf5-e6 Nf1-d2 Kf6-f7 Nd2-c4 Be6xc4 b3xc4 Nb5-d6 c4-c5 Nd6-f5 c5xb6) -4.78/21 2} Bf5 32. Re1 {(Rc1-e1 Kg7-f6 g2-g4 Bf5-g6 Re1-h1 Bg6-c2 c3-c4 Nb5-d6 Ne2-c1 a5-a4 b3xa4 Nd6xc4 h2-h4 g5xh4 Rh1xh4 Re8-a8 f3-f4 Kf6-g7 Nc1-e2 Ra8xa4 f4-f5 Nc4-d6 Rh4-h3 Nd6-b5 Ne2-f4) -4.86/21 4} Kf6 33. Rc1 {(Re1-c1 Bf5-g6 g2-g4 Nb5-a3 Rc1-d1 Bg6-c2 Rd1-a1 Na3-b5 c3-c4 Re8xe2+ Kf2xe2 Nb5xd4+ Ke2-d2 Bc2xb3 Kd2-c3 c6-c5 Ra1-h1 a5-a4 h2-h4 g5xh4 Rh1xh4 Kf6-g6 f3-f4 Nd4-e2+ Kc3-d3 Ne2xf4+ Kd3-c3) -5.16/21 6} Bg6 34. h3 {(h2-h3 h7-h5 c3-c4 Re8xe2+ Kf2xe2 Nb5xd4+ Ke2-e3 Nd4xb3 Rc1-c3 a5-a4 f3-f4 Kf6-f5 f4xg5 Kf5xg5 Ke3-f3 Bg6-c2 Kf3-e3 Bc2-f5 Ke3-f3 Nb3-d4+ Kf3-f2 Bf5-c2 Rc3-g3+ Kg5-f4 Rg3-g8 Kf4-e4 g2-g4 h5xg4 h3xg4 Ke4-d3) -5.24/22 5} h5 35. c4 {(c3-c4 Re8xe2+ Kf2xe2 Nb5xd4+ Ke2-e3 Nd4xb3 Rc1-c3 a5-a4 f3-f4 Kf6-f5 f4xg5 Kf5xg5 g2-g3 Bg6-f5 h3-h4+ Kg5-g4 Ke3-e2 Nb3-c5 Ke2-f1 Bf5-d3+ Kf1-e1 Bd3-g6 Ke1-d1 Nc5-e4 Rc3-a3 b6-b5 Kd1-c1 Ne4xg3 c4xb5 c6xb5) -5.66/23 10} Rxe2+ 36. Kxe2 {(Kf2xe2 Nb5xd4+ Ke2-e3 Nd4xb3 Rc1-c3 a5-a4 f3-f4 Kf6-f5 f4xg5 Kf5xg5 g2-g3 Bg6-f5 h3-h4+ Kg5-g4 Ke3-e2 Nb3-c5 Ke2-f1 Bf5-g6 Kf1-e2 Nc5-e4 Rc3-a3 b6-b5 Ke2-d3 Ne4xg3+ Kd3-d4) -5.42/19 0} Nxd4+ 37. Ke3 {(Ke2-e3 Nd4xb3 Rc1-c3 a5-a4 f3-f4 Kf6-f5 f4xg5 Kf5xg5 g2-g3 Bg6-f5 h3-h4+ Kg5-g4 Ke3-f2 Nb3-d2 Kf2-e2 Nd2-e4 Rc3-f3 Bf5-g6 Rf3-f8 Ne4xg3+ Ke2-f2 Kg4xh4 Rf8-a8 b6-b5 c4xb5 Ng3-e4+ Kf2-e3 c6xb5) -5.82/21 1} Nxb3 38. Rc3 {(Rc1-c3 a5-a4 f3-f4 Kf6-f5 f4xg5 Kf5xg5 Ke3-f2 Kg5-f4 g2-g4 Kf4-e5 g4xh5 Bg6xh5 Kf2-e3 Bh5-f7 h3-h4 Bf7-g6 h4-h5 Bg6xh5 Rc3-c2 Bh5-f7 Rc2-a2 Nb3-c5 Ra2-c2 Bf7-e6 Rc2-c3 Be6-g4) -5.94/20 1} a4 39. f4 {(f3-f4 Kf6-f5 f4xg5 Kf5xg5 Ke3-f3 Kg5-f5 g2-g4+ Kf5-e5 g4xh5 Bg6xh5+ Kf3-g3 Ke5-d4 Rc3-c2 Kd4-d3 Rc2-f2 Nb3-c5 Kg3-h4 Bh5-d1 Rf2-f1 Bd1-b3 Kh4-g3 a4-a3 h3-h4 Kd3-c3 Kg3-g4 a3-a2 h4-h5 Bb3xc4 Rf1-c1+ Kc3-b2) -6.01/21 1} Kf5 40. fxg5 {(f4xg5 Kf5xg5 Ke3-f3 Kg5-f5 g2-g4+ Kf5-e5 g4xh5 Bg6xh5+ Kf3-g3 Ke5-d4 Rc3-c2 Kd4-d3 Rc2-a2 Nb3-c5 h3-h4 Kd3xc4 Kg3-f4 b6-b5 Kf4-g5 Bh5-f3 Ra2-c2+ Kc4-d4 h4-h5 b5-b4 h5-h6 Bf3-e4 Rc2-d2+ Kd4-c3) -5.98/19 0} Kxg5 41. Kf2 {(Ke3-f2 Kg5-f4 Rc3-e3 Bg6-e4 g2-g4 h5xg4 h3xg4 b6-b5 c4xb5 c6xb5 g4-g5 Nb3-c5 Re3-c3 Nc5-e6 Rc3-a3 Ne6xg5 Kf2-e2 c7-c5 Ke2-d2 Kf4-e5 Kd2-c1 Ng5-e6 Ra3-a1) -6.13/21 2} Kf5 42. Re3 {(Rc3-e3 b6-b5 g2-g4+ h5xg4 h3xg4+ Kf5-f4 c4xb5 c6xb5 Re3-e6 Bg6-d3 Re6-f6+ Kf4-g5 Rf6-a6 c7-c5 Ra6-a7 Kg5xg4 Ra7-d7 Bd3-f5 Rd7-d6 a4-a3 Rd6-d1) -5.86/15 0} b5 43. g4+ {(g2-g4+ h5xg4 h3xg4+ Kf5xg4 Re3-e6 Bg6-d3 Re6xc6 a4-a3 Kf2-e3 a3-a2 Rc6-a6 Bd3-b1 c4xb5 a2-a1Q Ra6xa1 Nb3xa1 Ke3-d4 Na1-b3+ Kd4-c4 Nb3-d2+ Kc4-c3 Nd2-f3 Kc3-c4 Bb1-e4 Kc4-c3 Nf3-e5 Kc3-b3) -7.12/20 6} hxg4 44. hxg4+ {(h3xg4+ Kf5xg4 Re3-e6 Bg6-d3 Re6xc6 a4-a3 Rc6-a6 b5-b4 Ra6-a4 c7-c5 Kf2-e1 Bd3xc4 Ke1-d1 Nb3-d4 Kd1-d2 Kg4-f4 Ra4-a7 Kf4-e5 Kd2-c1 Bc4-d3 Ra7-d7) -7.83/19 5} Kxg4 45. Re6 {(Re3-e6 Bg6-d3 Re6xc6 a4-a3 Rc6-a6 b5-b4 Kf2-e3 Bd3xc4 Ra6-a4 Kg4-f5 Ke3-f2 c7-c5 Kf2-e1 Kf5-g4 Ke1-d1 Bc4-d3 Ra4-a7 Bd3-e4 Ra7-a6 Kg4-f4 Ra6-a7 Kf4-e3) -8.90/21 4} ... {Black forfeits on time} 1-0 [\pgn][/pgn]
I was wondering if with 2 or 3 minutes more I could have won, so I decided to start from where I lost on time with a much better position and here is the endgame, If I continue playing with Knight and pawn odd handicap against SF i will improve very fast. :D

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"] [Date "2019.01.05"] [Round "?"] [White "Stockfish_9_x64"] [Black "Joiker"] [Result "*"] [BlackElo "?"] [Time "18:10:17"] [WhiteElo "?"] [TimeControl "120"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "8/2p5/2p1R1b1/1p6/p1P3k1/1n6/5K2/8 b - - 1 1"] [Termination "normal"] [PlyCount "22"] [WhiteType "program"] [BlackType "human"] 1. ... Bc2 2. Re2 {(Re6-e2 Bc2-d3 Re2-a2 Bd3xc4 Ra2-a3 Kg4-f5 Kf2-e1 Kf5-e5 Ke1-d1 c6-c5 Ra3-a2 Nb3-d4 Ra2-h2 a4-a3 Rh2-h5+ Ke5-e4 Rh5-h4+ Ke4-e3 Rh4-h3+ Nd4-f3 Rh3-h8 b5-b4 Rh8-a8 Ke3-d3 Kd1-c1 Kd3-c3 Kc1-b1 Nf3-d4) -9.36/23 9} Nd4 3. Re8 {(Re2-e8 b5-b4) -11.12/22 15} a3 4. Rg8+ {(Re8-g8+ Kg4-f4 Rg8-f8+ Nd4-f5 c4xb5 c6xb5 Rf8-a8 Bc2-a4 Ra8-h8 Kf4-e4 Rh8-e8+ Ke4-d3 Re8-d8+ Kd3-c3 Rd8-f8 a3-a2 Rf8xf5 a2-a1Q Kf2-g2 Kc3-d3 Rf5-f3+ Kd3-e4 Rf3-h3 Qa1-b2+ Kg2-g3 Qb2-e5+ Kg3-g2 c7-c5 Kg2-f2 Qe5-f4+ Kf2-g1 Qf4-g4+ Kg1-h2) -10.80/19 3} Kf4 5. Rf8+ {(Rg8-f8+ Nd4-f5 c4xb5 c6xb5 Rf8-a8 Bc2-a4 Ra8-e8 Nf5-d4 Re8-d8 c7-c5 Rd8-f8+ Kf4-e5 Rf8-e8+ Ke5-d5 Re8-e1 Nd4-c2 Re1-d1+ Kd5-c4 Kf2-f3 Nc2-d4+ Rd1xd4+ c5xd4 Kf3-g2 a3-a2) -12.11/19 2} Bf5 6. Rb8 {(Rf8-b8 Bf5-c2 Rb8-f8+ Nd4-f5 c4xb5 c6xb5 Rf8-a8 Bc2-a4 Ra8-h8 Kf4-e4 Rh8-h1 b5-b4 Rh1-e1+ Ke4-d3 Re1-a1 Nf5-d4 Kf2-g3 c7-c5 Kg3-f2 c5-c4 Ra1-b1 a3-a2 Rb1-a1 b4-b3 Ra1-d1+ Kd3-c3) -11.55/19 3 White resigns} a2 7. Ra8 {(Rb8-a8 Bf5-b1 Ra8-a3 Nd4-c2 Ra3-f3+ Kf4-e4 Kf2-g3 a2-a1Q Rf3-f4+ Ke4-e5 Rf4-f7 Nc2-d4 c4xb5 Nd4-f5+ Kg3-h2 Qa1-a2+ Kh2-g1 Qa2xf7 b5xc6 Nf5-d4) -18.02/17 3 White resigns} Bb1 8. cxb5 {(c4xb5 c6xb5 Kf2-g1 Nd4-c2 Ra8-f8+ Kf4-e5 Rf8-e8+ Ke5-d6 Re8-d8+ Kd6-c5 Rd8-d7 a2-a1Q Rd7xc7+ Kc5-b4 Rc7-d7 Qa1-d4+ Rd7xd4+ Nc2xd4 Kg1-f2 Kb4-c4 Kf2-g2 Kc4-d5 Kg2-f2 Kd5-e5 Kf2-e1) -49.91/19 5 White resigns} cxb5 9. Rf8+ {(Ra8-f8+ Kf4-e5 Rf8-a8 Nd4-c2 Ra8-e8+ Ke5-d5 Re8-e7 a2-a1Q Re7-d7+ Kd5-c4 Rd7xc7+ Kc4-b4 Rc7-f7 Qa1-d4+ Kf2-g3 Qd4-e3+ Rf7-f3 Qe3-g5+ Kg3-f2 Nc2-d4 Rf3-h3 Qg5-d2+ Kf2-g3 Qd2-e1+ Kg3-f4 Qe1-f2+ Kf4-g4 Bb1-f5+ Kg4-g5 Bf5xh3 Kg5-g6 Qf2-g3+ Kg6-f7 Kb4-c4) -60.31/22 5 White resigns} Nf5 10. Ra8 {(Rf8-a8 Nf5-d4 Ra8-f8+ Kf4-e5 Rf8-e8+ Ke5-d5 Re8-d8+ Kd5-c4 Rd8-a8 Nd4-c2 Ra8xa2 Bb1xa2 Kf2-f3 b5-b4 Kf3-e4 b4-b3 Ke4-e5 b3-b2 Ke5-e6 b2-b1Q Ke6-d7 Qb1-b6 Kd7-e7 Kc4-d5 Ke7-f7 Kd5-e5+ Kf7-e7) -60.52/23 2 White resigns} b4 11. Ra4 {(Ra8-a4 Nf5-d4 Ra4-a7 Nd4-c2 Ra7xc7 a2-a1Q Rc7-f7+ Kf4-g5 Rf7-f8 Qa1-f6+ Rf8xf6 Kg5xf6 Kf2-e2 Kf6-e5 Ke2-d3 Nc2-d4+ Kd3-c4 b4-b3 Kc4-c5 b3-b2 Kc5-b4) -49.91/17 2 White resigns} c5 12. Kg1 {(Kf2-g1 Nf5-d4) -66.35/22 10 White resigns} *[\pgn][/pgn]
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Re: What is the minimum odd that you can take to play Vs SF ?

Post by Chessqueen »

Guenther wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:32 pm A Rook is much too much combined with White pieces.
SF 9 with 2 cores and 512MB, thinking window and graph disabled during play.
TC 40/480, 5men Syzygy for SF. BTW SF went straight into time trouble for the first time control.

No idea yet why my times were not saved and I forgot to set a different contempt.
Anyhow, I moved extremely fast, more like in a bullet game, because the game was very boring with a Rook up in an exchange French.

[pgn][Event "Test_2019"] [Site "CAPPUCCINO"] [Date "2019.01.04"] [Round "-"] [White "Guenther Simon"] [Black "Stockfish 9 64 (UCI2WB)"] [Result "1-0"] [TimeControl "40/480"] [FEN "1nbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQk - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] {-------------- . n b q k b n r p p p p p p p p . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P P P P P P P P R N B Q K B N R white to play --------------} 1. e4 e6 {-5.34/23 14} 2. d4 d5 {-5.39/22 6} 3. exd5 exd5 {-5.35/22 4} 4. Nf3 Nf6 {-5.36/23 8} 5. Bd3 Be6 {-5.75/26 1:14} 6. O-O Be7 {-5.67/23 7} 7. Re1 O-O {-5.71/22 12} 8. Bf4 Nh5 {-5.79/25 19} 9. Bg3 Nxg3 {-5.34/21 8} 10. hxg3 Nd7 {-5.58/24 55} 11. Nbd2 Bf6 {-5.67/23 13} 12. Nb3 Bg4 {-5.32/21 10} 13. c3 g6 {-5.50/24 17} 14. Qd2 c6 {-5.57/23 9} 15. Ne5 Nxe5 {-5.25/19 2.0} 16. dxe5 Bg7 {-5.35/21 9} 17. f4 Re8 {-5.71/24 51} 18. Nd4 a5 {-5.22/19 10} 19. a4 Bc8 {-5.59/21 24} 20. Re2 Qb6 {-5.30/18 2.8} 21. Rae1 c5 {-5.47/21 19} 22. Bb5 Rf8 {-6.02/25 17} 23. Nf3 Be6 {-5.48/19 1.5} 24. Kh2 Rd8 {-5.80/23 15} 25. c4 d4 {-5.21/17 1.1} 26. Ng5 Ra8 {-5.73/24 23} 27. Nxe6 Qxe6 {-5.44/17 0.9} 28. Qd3 Rb8 {-5.97/25 18} 29. Qe4 Bf8 {-5.67/17 1.4} 30. Rf2 Bg7 {-6.30/22 10} 31. f5 gxf5 {-5.62/16 0.6} 32. Qxf5 Qxf5 {-6.17/22 6} 33. Rxf5 Rd8 {-6.24/21 1.3} 34. e6 fxe6 {-6.07/15 0.3} 35. Rxe6 d3 {-6.97/24 4} 36. Re8+ Rxe8 {-5.30/16 0.2} 37. Bxe8 Bxb2 {-6.83/23 2.6} 38. Rd5 Bd4 {-5.08/18 0.3} 39. Bh5 d2 {-5.97/24 1.4} 40. Rd7 b6 {-6.32/22 0.4} 41. Rb7 Bc3 {-7.18/39 59} 42. Be2 Kf8 {-7.33/38 36} 43. Kh3 Ke8 {-7.33/38 12} 44. Kg4 Kd8 {-7.33/36 11} 45. Rxb6 h6 {-7.34/34 7} 46. Rb7 Ke8 {-8.24/36 35} 47. Kf5 Bd4 {-8.32/31 13} 48. Ke6 Kf8 {-11.05/26 22} 49. g4 Bc3 {-8.52/26 12} 50. Rd7 Bb4 {-9.03/35 21} 51. Bf3 Kg8 {-1000.23/39 1:00} 52. Be4 Bc3 {-1000.21/42 4} 53. Kf5 Kf8 {-1000.21/44 10} 54. Kg6 Be5 {-132.25/27 14} 55. Rxd2 {User adjudication} 1-0[/pgn]

I sent this game to my online trainer to analyze, and he mentioned that with a Rook odd and playing White you are probably weaker than 85% of all chess players. Why don't you show us a game playing black with a Knight and pawn odd game in 5 minutes Blitz Big Mouth and disrespectful Arrogant Person.
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Re: What is the minimum odd that you can take to play Vs SF ?

Post by Uri Blass »

Chessqueen wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:35 pm
Guenther wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:32 pm A Rook is much too much combined with White pieces.
SF 9 with 2 cores and 512MB, thinking window and graph disabled during play.
TC 40/480, 5men Syzygy for SF. BTW SF went straight into time trouble for the first time control.

No idea yet why my times were not saved and I forgot to set a different contempt.
Anyhow, I moved extremely fast, more like in a bullet game, because the game was very boring with a Rook up in an exchange French.

[pgn][Event "Test_2019"] [Site "CAPPUCCINO"] [Date "2019.01.04"] [Round "-"] [White "Guenther Simon"] [Black "Stockfish 9 64 (UCI2WB)"] [Result "1-0"] [TimeControl "40/480"] [FEN "1nbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQk - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] {-------------- . n b q k b n r p p p p p p p p . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P P P P P P P P R N B Q K B N R white to play --------------} 1. e4 e6 {-5.34/23 14} 2. d4 d5 {-5.39/22 6} 3. exd5 exd5 {-5.35/22 4} 4. Nf3 Nf6 {-5.36/23 8} 5. Bd3 Be6 {-5.75/26 1:14} 6. O-O Be7 {-5.67/23 7} 7. Re1 O-O {-5.71/22 12} 8. Bf4 Nh5 {-5.79/25 19} 9. Bg3 Nxg3 {-5.34/21 8} 10. hxg3 Nd7 {-5.58/24 55} 11. Nbd2 Bf6 {-5.67/23 13} 12. Nb3 Bg4 {-5.32/21 10} 13. c3 g6 {-5.50/24 17} 14. Qd2 c6 {-5.57/23 9} 15. Ne5 Nxe5 {-5.25/19 2.0} 16. dxe5 Bg7 {-5.35/21 9} 17. f4 Re8 {-5.71/24 51} 18. Nd4 a5 {-5.22/19 10} 19. a4 Bc8 {-5.59/21 24} 20. Re2 Qb6 {-5.30/18 2.8} 21. Rae1 c5 {-5.47/21 19} 22. Bb5 Rf8 {-6.02/25 17} 23. Nf3 Be6 {-5.48/19 1.5} 24. Kh2 Rd8 {-5.80/23 15} 25. c4 d4 {-5.21/17 1.1} 26. Ng5 Ra8 {-5.73/24 23} 27. Nxe6 Qxe6 {-5.44/17 0.9} 28. Qd3 Rb8 {-5.97/25 18} 29. Qe4 Bf8 {-5.67/17 1.4} 30. Rf2 Bg7 {-6.30/22 10} 31. f5 gxf5 {-5.62/16 0.6} 32. Qxf5 Qxf5 {-6.17/22 6} 33. Rxf5 Rd8 {-6.24/21 1.3} 34. e6 fxe6 {-6.07/15 0.3} 35. Rxe6 d3 {-6.97/24 4} 36. Re8+ Rxe8 {-5.30/16 0.2} 37. Bxe8 Bxb2 {-6.83/23 2.6} 38. Rd5 Bd4 {-5.08/18 0.3} 39. Bh5 d2 {-5.97/24 1.4} 40. Rd7 b6 {-6.32/22 0.4} 41. Rb7 Bc3 {-7.18/39 59} 42. Be2 Kf8 {-7.33/38 36} 43. Kh3 Ke8 {-7.33/38 12} 44. Kg4 Kd8 {-7.33/36 11} 45. Rxb6 h6 {-7.34/34 7} 46. Rb7 Ke8 {-8.24/36 35} 47. Kf5 Bd4 {-8.32/31 13} 48. Ke6 Kf8 {-11.05/26 22} 49. g4 Bc3 {-8.52/26 12} 50. Rd7 Bb4 {-9.03/35 21} 51. Bf3 Kg8 {-1000.23/39 1:00} 52. Be4 Bc3 {-1000.21/42 4} 53. Kf5 Kf8 {-1000.21/44 10} 54. Kg6 Be5 {-132.25/27 14} 55. Rxd2 {User adjudication} 1-0[/pgn]

I sent this game to my online trainer to analyze, and he mentioned that with a Rook odd and playing White you are probably weaker than 85% of all chess players. Why don't you show us a game playing black with a Knight and pawn odd game in 5 minutes Blitz Big Mouth and disrespectful Arrogant Person.
This is simply wrong.
A player who beat stockfish with a rook odd is better than majority of the chess players.

Based on my experience in teaching chess
majority of chess players are beginners or slightly better than beginners and I can beat them even without a queen and I can beat many players even without queen and 2 rooks.

I will not be surprised if I can beat most humans who know the chess rules without queen and 2 rooks.
I know that at least there are classes in schools who learn chess one hour per week when I can beat everybody in the class without queen and 2 rooks(there are still different chess level in the class and the weakest players in the class are going to lose against me even when I start only with king and 8 pawns).

For me chess players include everybody who play chess and they do not need to play in chess tournaments for it.
The very weak chess players that I can beat without queen and 2 rooks usually do not play for israeli chess rating but they exist and they play chess.
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Re: What is the minimum odd that you can take to play Vs SF ?

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No odds, straight up.
I play SF maybe once a month.
Of course, the slimy devil beats my brakes off.
But I would not have it any other way.
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Re: What is the minimum odd that you can take to play Vs SF ?

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Dann Corbit wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:33 pm No odds, straight up.
I play SF maybe once a month.
Of course, the slimy devil beats my brakes off.
But I would not have it any other way.
I totally understand your point, but when is chess the most enjoyable? When you win! 25 years ago, humans still had a real chance of taking any engine down. Only a few years down the line, but nowadays programs like Komodo and SF just to mention a few beats grand-masters left, right and center.Therefore, who would would really enjoy playing against against such slimy devil beats, that is why Larry Kaufman is giving odds to the best grand-masters who specialize in beating computer chess programs like GM Nakamura and GM MVL, if they accept handicap why should we NOT? That is why you should find out if by playing knight odds versus Komodo make it more balance and enjoyable where you can still have an even chance not only to improve your chess but by feeling as if you are playing versus a human of equal strength in front of you.

Note: That is why strong programs like Komodo should be sold with different odds recommendations for different level of playing strengths in their advertize package and more matches should be arrange not only versus strength grand-master like GM Nakamura, but with much weaker player around rating level of 1500, 1700, 1900, 2100, 2300, 2500, 2700 where similar players around the world can see youtube matches and say WOW I can still have a chance with these odds settings and more players will purchase Komodo knowing that they still have a chance.
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Re: What is the minimum odd that you can take to play Vs SF ?

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Chessqueen wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:47 am
Dann Corbit wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:33 pm No odds, straight up.
I play SF maybe once a month.
Of course, the slimy devil beats my brakes off.
But I would not have it any other way.
I totally understand your point, but when is chess the most enjoyable? When you win! 25 years ago, humans still had a real chance of taking any engine down. Nowadays programs like Komodo and SF just to mention a few beats grand-masters left and, right. Therefore, who would really enjoy playing against against such slimy devil beats, that is why Larry Kaufman is giving odds to the best grand-masters who specialize in beating computer chess programs like GM Nakamura and GM MVL, if they accept handicap why should we NOT? That is why you should find out if by playing knight odds versus Komodo make it more balance and enjoyable where you can still have an even chance not only to improve your chess but by feeling as if you are playing versus a human of equal strength in front of you.

Note: That is why strong programs like Komodo should be sold with different odds recommendations for different level of playing strengths in their promotional package and more matches should be arranged not only versus strong grand-master like GM Nakamura, but with much weaker players around these rating levels of 1500, 1700, 1900, 2100, 2300, 2500, 2700 where similar players around the world can see youtube matches and say WOW I can still have a chance with these odds settings and more players will purchase Komodo knowing that they still have a chance.

Sorry Dan, everybody has the right to do whatever they wish.
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Re: What is the minimum odd that you can take to play Vs SF ?

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There is plenty of room for diversity of opinion.
And you will never, never, never offend me because your opinion is different than mine.

I want to play against the computer at full strength.
Sure, I get a lot of beat downs that way. But even so, I enjoy it.

And when I have had one too many punches to the head by the unfeeling monster, I simply play a game against a weak program like Golem to get my revenge against the machine.

I would not play odds against a human or a machine because I would not enjoy it.
But other people can get a bang out of it and have fun.
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Re: What is the minimum odd that you can take to play Vs SF ?

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Dann Corbit wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:02 am There is plenty of room for diversity of opinion.
And you will never, never, never offend me because your opinion is different than mine.

I want to play against the computer at full strength.
Sure, I get a lot of beat downs that way. But even so, I enjoy it.

And when I have had one too many punches to the head by the unfeeling monster, I simply play a game against a weak program like Golem to get my revenge against the machine.

I would not play odds against a human or a machine because I would not enjoy it.
But other people can get a bang out of it and have fun.
At least you could have picked Vise 1.0 64 Bit rate around 2040. since Golem must be around 800 or 900 rated with plenty of bugs. My 9 years old daughter played this games and Golem lost on time.

[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2019.01.10"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Princess Soraida"]
[Black "Golem_0441"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[ECO "A00"]
[Opening "Clemenz (Mead-Basman-de Klerk-Welling) Opening"]
[Time "19:33:22"]
[Variation "1.e4 c5"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "120"]
[Termination "time forfeit"]
[PlyCount "7"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. h3 e6 {(e7e5 g1f3 g8f6 b1c3 b8c6 d2d3 0.90 3.33-20.00 b2 <kn534> 41x)
+0.46/6 6} 2. e4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Be7 4. d4 ... {Black forfeits on time} 1-0
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