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whereagles
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Re: evaluation that usually go up when you are winning

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Evaluation staying planted at +13 only means the engine is unable to find a clear-cut game continuation where white forces the win of more material. Which is normal because.. well, it's almost the starting position and the search tree is still immense:)
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Uri Blass
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Re: evaluation that usually go up when you are winning

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whereagles wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:11 am Evaluation staying planted at +13 only means the engine is unable to find a clear-cut game continuation where white forces the win of more material. Which is normal because.. well, it's almost the starting position and the search tree is still immense:)
Good evaluation should go up not only based on win of material
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Robert Pope
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Re: evaluation that usually go up when you are winning

Post by Robert Pope »

Uri Blass wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:22 pm
whereagles wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:11 am Evaluation staying planted at +13 only means the engine is unable to find a clear-cut game continuation where white forces the win of more material. Which is normal because.. well, it's almost the starting position and the search tree is still immense:)
Good evaluation should go up not only based on win of material
Mostly disagree. An equally deep search from the true starting position doesn't go up with search (for most engines). There's no reason to expect it to go up just because of a material imbalance, unless it can search deeply enough to bring that imbalance to bear. And it would be hard to find a position where that is less the case than the one you picked.

Evaluation should only go up if it turns out that the leaf position is better than the root. In the opening, both sides have equal chances to improve positionally, so unless the search finds a forced capture, it's unlikely that the score should change significantly.
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Re: evaluation that usually go up when you are winning

Post by Eelco de Groot »

Uri Blass wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:22 pm
whereagles wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:11 am Evaluation staying planted at +13 only means the engine is unable to find a clear-cut game continuation where white forces the win of more material. Which is normal because.. well, it's almost the starting position and the search tree is still immense:)
Good evaluation should go up not only based on win of material
No, but of course it is not, stockfish evaluation has lots of features that are not just material and some like King Safety and passed pawns are speculative so 'larger than life'.

In this particular case it is possible the material imbalance table + material is so wrong that Stockfish just does not want to exchange pieces to an endgame. But I could not find any rising evaluation, not even at the end of the PV even after I put some 'elastic' in the PV so to get more extensions there trying to look past the horizon.

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rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq -

Engine: Kaissa IV NoContempt (512 MB)
by T. Romstad, M. Costalba, J. Kiiski, G.

18/33  0:02   +13.21   1.Nf3 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.Nh4 Bc8 
                       5.e4 Nc6 6.Nf3 Bg4 7.Be2 e6 8.O-O O-O-O 
                       9.d5 exd5 10.exd5 Ne7 11.Be3 c5 
                       12.dxc6 Nxc6 13.Bc4 (5.293.474) 2138 

19/39  0:05   +13.22   1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 d6 3.d4 e6 4.Nf3 Be7 
                       5.Bf4 Nc6 6.a3 O-O 7.Bc4 h6 8.Qe2 g5 
                       9.Be3 g4 10.Nd2 h5 11.O-O-O Kg7 
                       12.Bd3 h4 13.h3 g3 14.fxg3 (10.888.327) 2087 

20/40  0:07   +13.20   1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 d6 3.d4 e6 4.Nf3 Be7 
                       5.Bd3 Nc6 6.a3 Bd7 7.Bf4 O-O 8.d5 Nd8 
                       9.O-O c6 10.Bc4 e5 11.Be3 cxd5 
                       12.exd5 Re8 13.h3 g6 14.Qe2 (15.288.474) 2098 

21/44  0:09   +13.23   1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 d6 3.d4 e6 4.Nf3 Be7 
                       5.Bd3 Nc6 6.a3 Bd7 7.Bf4 O-O 8.d5 Nd8 
                       9.O-O c6 10.Bc4 e5 11.Bg5 h6 12.Be3 Ng4 
                       13.Bd2 Nf6 14.Qe2 (20.122.482) 2111 

22/46  0:12   +13.18   1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 d6 3.d4 e6 4.Nf3 Be7 
                       5.Bd3 Nc6 6.a3 Bd7 7.Bd2 O-O 8.Qe2 Rae8 
                       9.h3 a6 10.Be3 Rc8 11.g4 h6 12.O-O g5 
                       13.Kg2 Kg7 14.Rad1 (25.399.098) 2112 

23/50  0:20   +13.20   1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 d6 3.d4 e6 4.Nf3 Be7 
                       5.Bd3 Nc6 6.a3 Bd8 7.Qe2 O-O 8.O-O Re8 
                       9.Be3 e5 10.dxe5 Nxe5 11.Nxe5 dxe5 
                       12.f3 c6 13.Qf2 a6 14.a4 (44.091.959) 2108 

24/51  0:27   +13.21   1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 d6 3.d4 e6 4.Nf3 Be7 
                       5.Bd3 Nc6 6.a3 O-O 7.O-O Bd8 8.Bf4 a6 
                       9.h3 Nxd4 10.Nxd4 e5 11.Be3 exd4 
                       12.Bxd4 Re8 13.f3 Nd7 14.Qe1 (58.182.696) 2115 

25/50  0:30   +13.20   1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 d6 3.d4 e6 4.Nf3 Be7 
                       5.Bd3 Nc6 6.a3 O-O 7.O-O Bd8 8.Bf4 a6 
                       9.h3 Nxd4 10.Nxd4 e5 11.Be3 exd4 
                       12.Bxd4 Re8 13.f3 Nd7 14.Qe1 (64.425.492) 2118 

26/57  0:43   +13.19   1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 d6 3.d4 e6 4.Nf3 Be7 
                       5.Bd3 Nc6 6.a3 O-O 7.O-O Bd8 8.Bf4 a6 
                       9.h3 Nxd4 10.Nxd4 e5 11.Be3 exd4 
                       12.Bxd4 Re8 13.f3 Nd7 14.Qe1 (91.461.232) 2122 

27/65  1:56   +13.21   1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 d6 3.d4 e6 4.Nf3 Be7 
                       5.Bd3 O-O 6.a3 Nbd7 7.O-O c6 8.Bf4 a5 
                       9.Qe2 a4 10.g3 g6 11.Kg2 Kg7 12.e5 dxe5 
                       13.Nxe5 Nh5 14.Be3 (250.048.796) 2154 

28/59  2:21   +13.21   1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 d6 3.d4 e6 4.Nf3 Be7 
                       5.Bd3 O-O 6.Bf4 Nc6 7.O-O h6 8.a3 a6 
                       9.Be3 Ng4 10.Bd2 Bd7 11.h3 Nf6 
                       12.Be3 Rfe8 13.Qe2 b5 14.Rad1 (304.622.551) 2156 

29/77  10:58  +13.20   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 Nf6 
                       5.Bd3 O-O 6.Bf4 Bd8 7.O-O Nc6 8.a3 a6 
                       9.h3 Nd7 10.Be3 Ne7 11.g4 c6 12.Qd2 d5 
                       13.exd5 cxd5 14.Kg2 (1.424.067.247) 2161 

30/72  12:08  +13.23   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 Nf6 
                       5.Bd3 O-O 6.Bf4 Nbd7 7.O-O c6 8.a4 a5 
                       9.g3 g6 10.Qd2 Ra7 11.Bg5 b6 12.e5 dxe5 
                       13.dxe5 Nd5 14.Nxd5 (1.575.069.278) 2161 

31/69  14:46  +13.18   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 Nf6 
                       5.Bd3 O-O 6.Bf4 a6 7.O-O Nc6 8.Be2 Re8 
                       9.Qd2 h6 10.h3 Bd8 11.e5 dxe5 
                       12.Nxe5 Ne7 13.Rad1 Ned5 14.Bg3 (1.920.022.002) 2165 

32/80  25:39  +13.24   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 Nf6 
                       5.Bd3 O-O 6.Bf4 a6 7.O-O Nc6 8.Be2 Bd8 
                       9.Qd2 Ne7 10.e5 dxe5 11.Nxe5 h5 
                       12.g3 Nf5 13.Kg2 c6 14.Nc4 (3.371.803.815) 2189 

33/74  28:46  +13.20   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 Nf6 
                       5.Bd3 O-O 6.Bf4 a6 7.Qe2 Nfd7 8.O-O Nc6 
                       9.Be3 Re8 10.Qd2 Nf6 11.h3 Nb4 
                       12.Be2 d5 13.e5 Nd7 14.Nd1 (3.780.612.374) 2189 

34/76  32:11  +13.18   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 Nf6 
                       5.Bd3 O-O 6.Bf4 a6 7.Qe2 Nfd7 8.O-O Nc6 
                       9.Be3 Re8 10.Rae1 b5 11.Qd2 Bb7 
                       12.a4 b4 13.Ne2 Nf6 14.Qd1 (4.227.232.894) 2188 

35/75  33:48  +13.19   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 Nf6 
                       5.Bd3 O-O 6.Bf4 a6 7.Qe2 Nfd7 8.O-O Nc6 
                       9.Be3 Re8 10.Rae1 b5 11.Qd2 Bb7 
                       12.a3 g6 13.h3 Nf6 14.Ra1 (4.435.379.358) 2186 

36/79  47:09  +13.23   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 c6 
                       5.Bf4 Nf6 6.Bd3 O-O 7.Qe2 d5 8.O-O a5 
                       9.a3 g6 10.e5 Nfd7 11.Qe3 Re8 12.g4 b6 
                       13.h4 Ba6 14.Bxa6 (6.186.289.425) 2186 

37/87  80:45  +13.26   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 c6 
                       5.Bf4 Nf6 6.Bd3 O-O 7.Qe2 d5 8.O-O Rd8 
                       9.e5 Ne8 10.Bg5 Rd7 11.Bxe7 Rxe7 
                       12.g3 Nd7 13.Rae1 Nc7 14.Qe3 {Here I let Kaissa look farther [D]r1b3k1/ppnnrppp/2p1p3/3pP3/3P4/2NBQNP1/PPP2P1P/4RRK1 b - -}(10.584.855.870) 2184 

38/90  150:54 +13.24   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 h6 
                       5.Bd3 Nf6 6.a3 Kf8 7.Be3 Nbd7 8.O-O c6 
                       9.h3 g6 10.a4 a5 11.Nd2 Kg7 12.Qf3 d5 
                       13.e5 Ne8 14.Ne2 (19.813.361.757) 2188 

39/81  173:58 +13.23   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 Nd7 
                       5.Bd3 Bd8 6.O-O Ne7 7.a4 Nc6 8.g3 b6 
                       9.Be3 Bb7 10.Nd2 O-O 11.Be2 Rc8 
                       12.h4 Bf6 13.Nc4 a5 14.h5 (22.604.084.717) 2165 

40/87  240:53 +13.27   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 Nd7 
                       5.Bd3 Bd8 6.O-O Ne7 7.a4 Nc6 8.g3 b6 
                       9.Be3 Bb7 10.Nd2 O-O 11.Be2 Nf6 
                       12.Kg2 d5 13.e5 Nd7 14.f4 (30.782.224.270) 2129 

41/83  259:46 +13.25   1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e6 3.d4 Be7 4.Nf3 Nd7 
                       5.Bd3 Bd8 6.O-O Ngf6 7.Bf4 O-O 8.h3 Re8 
                       9.Be2 Nf8 10.a4 Ng6 11.Be3 e5 
                       12.dxe5 Nxe5 13.Nxe5 dxe5 14.Qd2 (33.035.012.982) 2119 

42/101 592:58 +13.28   1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 a6 3.d4 Ne7 4.Nc3 d6 
                       5.a4 h6 6.Bc4 g6 7.d5 e5 8.O-O Nd7 
                       9.Ne1 h5 10.Nd3 f6 11.Be3 Bh6 
                       12.Bxh6 Rxh6 13.f3 Kf7 14.b4 (74.024.041.925) 2080 

43/90  610:55 +13.25   1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 a6 3.d4 Ne7 4.Nc3 d6 
                       5.a4 h6 6.Bc4 g6 7.O-O Bg7 8.d5 e5 
                       9.b4 O-O 10.Bb3 Bd7 11.Be3 f5 12.Qd3 a5 
                       13.b5 Rc8 14.Bd2 (76.266.863.868) 2080 

44/90  1149:16+13.25   1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 a6 3.d4 Ne7 4.Nc3 d6 
                       5.a4 h6 6.Bc4 g6 7.O-O Bg7 8.d5 e5 
                       9.b4 O-O 10.Bb3 Bd7 11.Be3 f5 12.Qd3 a5 
                       13.b5 Rc8 14.Bd2 (142.260.496.173) 2063 

best move: e2-e4 time: 1149:16.360 min  n/s: 2.063.052  nodes: 142.260.496.173
After [pgn] [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "2019.06.26"] [Round "?"] [White "?"] [Black "?"] [Result "*"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq -"] 1. e4 d6 2. Nc3 e6 3. d4 Be7 4. Nf3 c6 5. Bf4 Nf6 6. Bd3 O-O 7. Qe2 d5 8. O-O Rd8 9. e5 Ne8 10. Bg5 Rd7 11. Bxe7 Rxe7 12. g3 Nd7 13. Rae1 Nc7 14. Qe3 *[/pgn]

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r1b3k1/ppnnrppp/2p1p3/3pP3/3P4/2NBQNP1/PPP2P1P/4RRK1 b - -

Engine: Kaissa IV NoContempt (512 MB)
by T. Romstad, M. Costalba, J. Kiiski, G.

17/32  0:01   +13.22   14...a5 15.Ne2 b6 16.b3 Ba6 17.Kg2 Bxd3 
                       18.Qxd3 Ra6 19.Qc3 b5 20.a3 Re8 
                       21.Nf4 f6 22.Nd3 Re7 23.h4 Re8 
                       24.Re2 Re7 25.Nf4 fxe5 26.Nxe5 Nxe5 (3.387.159) 2057 

18/34  0:04   +13.18   14...b6 15.h4 Bb7 16.Ne2 c5 17.Nf4 h6 
                       18.c3 a5 19.b3 a4 20.Kg2 Ba6 21.Bxa6 Rxa6 
                       22.Nd3 Ra5 23.b4 cxb4 24.Nxb4 Ra8 
                       25.Qd3 a3 26.Nd2 Rc8 27.Nc6 Ree8 (10.055.551) 2019 

19/35  0:05   +13.21   14...b6 15.h4 Bb7 16.Ne2 c5 17.Nf4 h6 
                       18.c3 a5 19.b3 a4 20.Kg2 Ba6 21.Bxa6 Rxa6 
                       22.Nd3 Ra5 23.b4 cxd4 24.Nxd4 Ra8 
                       25.Re2 Rc8 26.Rc1 Na6 27.f4 Nc7 (11.424.882) 2020 

20/44  0:13   +13.23   14...b6 15.Kg2 a5 16.b3 Ba6 17.Ne2 c5 
                       18.Nf4 Bxd3 19.Qxd3 Ree8 20.a4 Rab8 
                       21.c3 Rec8 22.Qe3 cxd4 23.Nxd4 Na6 
                       24.Qe2 Nac5 25.f3 Re8 26.h4 Rec8 
                       27.Qb5 Rb7 (27.090.671) 2018 

21/47  0:18   +13.23   14...b6 15.Kg2 a5 16.b3 h6 17.Ne2 a4 
                       18.h4 Ba6 19.Nf4 Bb7 20.h5 c5 21.c3 Bc6 
                       22.Rc1 Bb5 23.g4 axb3 24.axb3 Ra3 
                       25.Nd2 Ra2 26.f3 Rb2 27.Rfe1 cxd4 (37.857.436) 2018 

22/43  0:27   +13.28   14...b6 15.Kg2 a5 16.b3 h6 17.Ne2 a4 
                       18.h4 c5 19.Nf4 Bb7 20.c3 Bc6 21.Qe2 Ree8 
                       22.Rc1 axb3 23.axb3 Ra3 24.Rb1 Rea8 
                       25.Rfc1 Ra2 26.Qe3 Nb5 27.h5 Nc7 (55.839.810) 2038 

23/49  0:36   +13.27   14...b6 15.Kg2 a5 16.b3 h6 17.Ne2 a4 
                       18.h4 c5 19.Nf4 Bb7 20.c3 Bc6 21.Qe2 Ree8 
                       22.h5 Ra5 23.Rc1 axb3 24.axb3 Rea8 
                       25.Nd2 R8a7 26.f3 Bb5 27.b4 cxb4 (73.889.617) 2045 

24/53  0:55   +13.29   14...b6 15.Kg2 a5 16.b3 h6 17.Ne2 a4 
                       18.h4 c5 19.Nf4 Bb7 20.c3 Bc6 21.Qe2 Ra5 
                       22.Rc1 Bb7 23.h5 Ba6 24.Bxa6 Rxa6 
                       25.Rfd1 Ra5 26.g4 axb3 27.axb3 Re8 (114.389.487) 2049 

25/62  2:21   +13.32   14...Re8 15.Ne2 a5 16.Kg2 b6 17.b3 a4 
                       18.h4 h6 19.Nf4 Bb7 20.h5 c5 21.c3 Bc6 
                       22.Qe2 Ra5 23.Rc1 Bb7 24.Rc2 Ra7 
                       25.Rd2 Ra5 26.g4 Bc6 27.Rc2 Raa8 (296.345.109) 2091 

26/68  6:00   +13.34   14...Re8 15.Ne2 a5 16.Nf4 Re7 17.a4 b6 
                       18.Kg2 c5 19.h4 Ba6 20.b3 Bxd3 
                       21.Qxd3 g6 22.c3 h6 23.Qe3 Na6 
                       24.Nd3 Kg7 25.h5 g5 26.Nd2 cxd4 
                       27.cxd4 Rc8 (759.902.370) 2110 

27/71  7:59   +13.34   14...Re8 15.Ne2 h6 16.Kg2 b6 17.Nf4 a5 
                       18.a4 c5 19.h4 Bb7 20.b3 Na6 21.c3 cxd4 
                       22.Nxd4 Ndc5 23.Bb5 Rec8 24.f3 Nb8 
                       25.Rc1 Nc6 26.h5 Na7 27.c4 Rd8 (1.005.448.919) 2097 

28/57  9:10   +13.36   14...Re8 15.Ne2 h6 16.Kg2 b6 17.Nf4 a5 
                       18.a4 c5 19.h4 Bb7 20.b3 Na6 21.c3 cxd4 
                       22.Nxd4 Ndc5 23.Bb5 Rec8 24.f3 Nb8 
                       25.Rc1 Bc6 26.g4 Bxb5 27.axb5 Nbd7 (1.153.894.601) 2096 

29/72  14:52  +13.35   14...h6 15.h4 b6 16.Kg2 Bb7 17.Ne2 c5 
                       18.b3 Na6 19.a3 Ree8 20.c3 Nab8 
                       21.h5 Nc6 22.g4 Kf8 23.Nf4 a6 24.Re2 Rec8 
                       25.Rc1 b5 26.Rb2 Na5 27.Bc2 c4 (1.867.598.244) 2093 

30/69  16:24  +13.41   14...h6 15.h4 b6 16.Kg2 Bb7 17.Ne2 c5 
                       18.c3 a5 19.b3 Rc8 20.Nf4 Na6 21.Rc1 Ree8 
                       22.Bb5 Nab8 23.Nd3 Red8 24.a4 Rc7 
                       25.g4 Ba6 26.Rfd1 Rdc8 27.h5 Bb7 (2.063.521.030) 2096 

31/74  20:18  +13.40   14...h6 15.h4 b6 16.Kg2 Bb7 17.Ne2 c5 
                       18.c3 a5 19.b3 Ree8 20.Nf4 a4 21.h5 Bc6 
                       22.Rc1 Rec8 23.Qe2 Kf8 24.g4 axb3 
                       25.axb3 Bb7 26.Ra1 Bc6 27.Rfc1 Ke7 (2.563.605.443) 2104 

32/68  20:45  +13.40   14...h6 15.h4 b6 16.Kg2 Bb7 17.Ne2 c5 
                       18.c3 a5 19.b3 Ree8 20.Nf4 a4 21.h5 Bc6 
                       22.Rc1 Rec8 23.Qe2 Kf8 24.g4 Kg8 
                       25.Qe3 Nb5 26.Qd2 Nc7 27.Qe2 Kf8 (2.621.205.871) 2105 

33/74  21:04  +13.40   14...h6 15.h4 b6 16.Kg2 Bb7 17.Ne2 c5 
                       18.c3 a5 19.b3 Ree8 20.Nf4 a4 21.h5 Bc6 
                       22.Rc1 Rec8 23.Qe2 Kf8 24.g4 Kg8 
                       25.Qe3 Nb5 26.Qd2 Nc7 27.Qe2 Kf8 (2.663.010.361) 2105 

34/63  21:09  +13.40   14...h6 15.h4 b6 16.Kg2 Bb7 17.Ne2 c5 
                       18.c3 a5 19.b3 Ree8 20.Nf4 a4 21.h5 Bc6 
                       22.Rc1 Rec8 23.Qe2 Kf8 24.g4 Kg8 
                       25.Qe3 Nb5 26.Qd2 Nc7 27.Qe2 Kf8 (2.673.859.624) 2105 

35/104 30:56  +13.41   14...h6 15.h4 b6 16.Kg2 Bb7 17.Ne2 c5 
                       18.c3 c4 19.Bb1 a5 20.Nf4 Ree8 
                       21.Qd2 Bc6 22.Qc2 Nf8 23.b3 b5 
                       24.Re3 Reb8 25.Kg1 Ra6 26.Rc1 a4 
                       27.Nd2 Be8 (3.915.898.270) 2109 

36/79  46:55  +13.43   14...h6 15.h4 b6 16.Kg2 Bb7 17.Ne2 c5 
                       18.c3 c4 19.Bb1 Ree8 20.Qd2 a5 
                       21.Nf4 b5 22.Qc2 Nf8 23.b3 Reb8 
                       24.Rg1 Bc6 25.Rc1 Ra6 26.h5 a4 
                       27.Nd2 Be8 (5.914.549.144) 2100 

37/113 67:41  +13.34++ 14...h6 (8.529.923.025) 2099 

37/113 70:12  +13.41   14...h6 15.h4 b6 16.Kg2 Bb7 17.Ne2 c5 
                       18.c3 Na6 19.Bb1 Nf8 20.Nf4 Nd7 
                       21.a3 Nab8 22.Qd2 Ba6 23.Rh1 c4 
                       24.Qc2 Nf8 25.h5 Nc6 26.g4 Bb7 
                       27.Nd2 b5 (8.847.074.655) 2100 

38/117 92:25  +13.32++ 14...h6 (11.632.920.557) 2097 

38/117 95:26  +13.39   14...h6 15.h4 b6 16.Kg2 Bb7 17.Ne2 c5 
                       18.c3 Na6 19.Bb1 Rc8 20.Qd2 Nab8 
                       21.b4 Bc6 22.Qc2 Nf8 23.a4 Be8 
                       24.Qb3 Nc6 25.Qa3 cxb4 26.cxb4 a5 
                       27.b5 Nb4 (12.012.522.193) 2097 

39/94  96:14  +13.30++ 14...h6 (12.113.619.717) 2097 

39/97  107:38 +13.44   14...h6 15.h4 b6 16.Kg2 Bb7 17.Ne2 Ree8 
                       18.Nf4 c5 19.c3 a5 20.b3 a4 21.h5 Bc6 
                       22.Rc1 Rec8 23.Qe2 axb3 24.axb3 Kf8 
                       25.Ra1 Rcb8 26.g4 Ke7 27.Rh1 Re8 (13.519.854.817) 2093 

40/100 136:15 +13.48   14...h6 15.h4 b6 16.Kg2 Bb7 17.Ne2 Ree8 
                       18.Nf4 c5 19.c3 a5 20.b3 a4 21.h5 Bc6 
                       22.Rc1 Rec8 23.Qe2 axb3 24.axb3 Kf8 
                       25.Ra1 Rcb8 26.g4 Ke7 27.Rh1 Re8 (17.170.044.138) 2100 

41/87  168:11 +13.50   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 h6 16.h4 b6 17.Ne2 Nd7 
                       18.b3 c5 19.c3 Bb7 20.Nf4 Rd8 21.h5 Rc8 
                       22.Qe2 Nf8 23.Qb2 Nd7 24.Qa3 a6 
                       25.Qb2 Kf8 26.g4 Ra8 27.Bb1 Ree8 (21.270.097.284) 2107 

42/68  168:44 +13.50   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 h6 16.h4 b6 17.Ne2 Nd7 
                       18.b3 c5 19.c3 Bb7 20.Nf4 Rd8 21.h5 Rc8 
                       22.Qe2 Nf8 23.Qb2 Nd7 24.Qa3 a6 
                       25.Qb2 Kf8 26.g4 Ra8 27.Bb1 Ree8 (21.339.804.372) 2107 

43/95  171:14 +13.50   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 h6 16.h4 b6 17.Ne2 Nd7 
                       18.b3 c5 19.c3 Bb7 20.Nf4 Rc8 21.h5 Bc6 
                       22.Qe2 Bb7 23.Rd1 a5 24.Rde1 Ra8 
                       25.Qe3 a4 26.g4 axb3 27.axb3 Bc6 (21.662.983.839) 2108 

44/83  175:26 +13.50   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 h6 16.h4 b6 17.Ne2 Nd7 
                       18.b3 c5 19.c3 Bb7 20.Nf4 Rc8 21.h5 Bc6 
                       22.Qe2 Bb7 23.Rd1 a5 24.Rde1 Ra8 
                       25.Qe3 a4 26.g4 axb3 27.axb3 Bc6 (22.192.101.343) 2108 

45/85  177:00 +13.50   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 h6 16.h4 b6 17.Ne2 Nd7 
                       18.b3 c5 19.c3 Bb7 20.Nf4 Rc8 21.h5 Bc6 
                       22.Qe2 Bb7 23.Rd1 a5 24.Rde1 Ra8 
                       25.Qe3 Kf8 26.a4 Kg8 27.g4 Ra7 (22.390.487.213) 2108 

46/95  205:25 +13.50   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 h6 16.h4 b6 17.Ne2 Nd7 
                       18.b3 c5 19.c3 Bb7 20.Nf4 Ree8 21.h5 Red8 
                       22.Qe2 Rdc8 23.Rd1 a5 24.Rc1 a4 
                       25.g4 Ra5 26.Rfe1 Raa8 27.Qd2 Bc6 (26.038.677.096) 2112 

47/131 388:08 +13.55   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 h6 16.h4 b6 17.Ne2 a5 
                       18.b3 a4 19.Nf4 Nd7 20.c3 Bb7 21.h5 Ra7 
                       22.g4 Kf8 23.Nd2 Ke8 24.f3 Kd8 
                       25.Be2 Kc8 26.Nd3 Ba6 27.c4 Bb7 (49.657.492.559) 2132 

48/143 963:47 +13.65-- 14...Nf8 15.Kg2 (123.887.056.336) 2142 

48/143 968:13 +13.65   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 h6 16.h4 b6 17.Ne2 a5 
                       18.b3 Ba6 19.a4 Rae8 20.h5 Bxd3 
                       21.Qxd3 Nd7 22.Nf4 Rc8 23.c3 c5 
                       24.g4 Ree8 25.Rc1 Red8 26.Qe3 Kf8 
                       27.Qe2 Kg8 (124.459.583.300) 2142 

49/114 995:39 +13.65   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 a5 16.Ne2 h6 17.h4 b6 
                       18.b3 Ba6 19.a4 Rae8 20.h5 Bxd3 
                       21.Qxd3 Nd7 22.Nf4 Rc8 23.c3 Ree8 
                       24.Ra1 Rb8 25.Qe2 Rb7 26.g4 Ra8 
                       27.Rac1 Rc8 (127.973.730.922) 2142 

50/70  997:20 +13.65   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 a5 16.Ne2 h6 17.h4 b6 
                       18.b3 Ba6 19.a4 Rae8 20.h5 Bxd3 
                       21.Qxd3 Nd7 22.Nf4 Rc8 23.c3 Ree8 
                       24.Ra1 Rb8 25.Qe2 Rb7 26.g4 Ra8 
                       27.Rac1 Rc8 (128.185.069.534) 2142 

51/70  1001:12+13.65   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 a5 16.Ne2 h6 17.h4 b6 
                       18.b3 Ba6 19.a4 Rae8 20.h5 Bxd3 
                       21.Qxd3 Nd7 22.Nf4 Rc8 23.c3 Ree8 
                       24.Ra1 Rb8 25.Qe2 Rb7 26.g4 Ra8 
                       27.Rac1 Rc8 (128.672.724.042) 2141 

52/99  1011:13+13.65   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 a5 16.Ne2 b6 17.h4 Ba6 
                       18.a4 Bxd3 19.Qxd3 Nd7 20.Nf4 Rae8 
                       21.h5 h6 22.b3 Rc8 23.c3 Ree8 24.Ra1 Rb8 
                       25.Qe2 Rb7 26.g4 Ra8 27.Rac1 Rc8 (130.057.382.596) 2143 

53/99  1302:02+13.65   14...Nf8 15.Kg2 a5 16.Ne2 b6 17.h4 Ba6 
                       18.a4 Bxd3 19.Qxd3 Nd7 20.Nf4 Rae8 
                       21.h5 h6 22.b3 Rc8 23.c3 Ree8 24.Ra1 Rb8 
                       25.Qe2 Rb7 26.g4 Ra8 27.Rac1 Rc8 (171.219.629.046) 2191 

best move: Nd7-f8 time: 1302:02.547 min  n/s: 2.191.682  nodes: 171.219.629.046
After 14 full moves followed by a search of 53 plies (+ elastic :) ) you would expect to have a fairly deep horizon but the score is still only 13.65.
Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first
place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you
are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it.
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Robert Pope
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Re: evaluation that usually go up when you are winning

Post by Robert Pope »

Eelco de Groot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:23 pm
After 14 full moves followed by a search of 53 plies (+ elastic :) ) you would expect to have a fairly deep horizon but the score is still only 13.65.
But it's continually increasing with depth, so Uri should be happy. :)
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