The Axolotl And The Fly

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The Axolotl And The Fly

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THE AXOLOTL AND THE FLY

Intel i5 Quad
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
PlaychessInfinity14-18.cgb book
40 moves in 25 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
4 cycles 36 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where possible)


Participants

Maverick 1.5 64-bit
CyberPagno 3.0 64-bit
MadChess 2.2 64-bit
Nemeton 1.81
Drosophila 1.5.1 64-bit
Lozza 1.18 64-bit
Axolotl 1.8 64-bit
Tunguska 1.1 64-bit
FabChess 1.9 64-bit
Mephisto Gideon Professional

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Re: The Axolotl And The Fly

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Standings will be posted and games made available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=11318

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16001

Linux users can access the broadcast through Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius

There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Re: The Axolotl And The Fly

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THE AXOLOTL AND THE FLY

Intel i5 Quad
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
PlaychessInfinity14-18.cgb book
40 moves in 25 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
4 cycles 36 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where possible)


Standings after Round 6

4.5 - Mephisto Gideon Professional
4.5 - Tunguska 1.1 64-bit
4.0 - Drosophila 1.5.1 64-bit
3.5 - CyberPagno 3.0 64-bit
3.0 - Delphil 3.2 64-bit
2.5 - MadChess 2.2 64-bit
2.5 - Maverick 1.5 64-bit
2.5 - Lozza 1.18 64-bit
1.5 - FabChess 1.9 64-bit
1.5 - Nemeton 1.81

Standings will be posted and games made available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=11318

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16001

Linux users can access the broadcast through Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius

There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Re: The Axolotl And The Fly

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Hi Graham,

first of all thanks for testing FabChess :) Sadly the results don't look particulary good for FabChess at the moment, and also differ quite a bit from what I've measured myself. I think Fab is just really nervous because it is its first tournament and it will surely perform better in the nearer future ;) Also still small sample size. Anyway, I am excited to look into the games my engine lost :D
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Re: The Axolotl And The Fly

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Wow, the games have really weird evaluation annotations. Is there something wrong going on on your side?

Also Graham, wenn attempting to connect to the details you posted under Tom's chess viewer: "Connection failed. No response from server"
Author of FabChess: https://github.com/fabianvdW/FabChess
A UCI compliant chess engine written in Rust.
FabChessWiki: https://github.com/fabianvdW/FabChess/wiki
fabianvonderwarth@gmail.com
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Re: The Axolotl And The Fly

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fabianVDW wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:23 pm Wow, the games have really weird evaluation annotations. Is there something wrong going on on your side?

Also Graham, wenn attempting to connect to the details you posted under Tom's chess viewer: "Connection failed. No response from server"
Engine evals are from the engine point of view, not from the white point of view.

Issues connecting to TLCV are usually due to router or firewall permissions.
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Re: The Axolotl And The Fly

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THE AXOLOTL AND THE FLY

Intel i5 Quad
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
PlaychessInfinity14-18.cgb book
40 moves in 25 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
4 cycles 36 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where possible)


Standings after Round 12

7.5 - CyberPagno 3.0 64-bit
7.5 - Mephisto Gideon Professional
6.5 - Tunguska 1.1 64-bit
6.5 - Maverick 1.5 64-bit
6.0 - Delphil 3.2 64-bit
5.5 - Nemeton 1.81
5.5 - Drosophila 1.5.1 64-bit
5.5 - Lozza 1.18 64-bit
5.0 - FabChess 1.9 64-bit
4.5 - MadChess 2.2 64-bit

Standings will be posted and games made available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=11318

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16001

Linux users can access the broadcast through Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius

There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Re: The Axolotl And The Fly

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Graham Banks wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:06 am
fabianVDW wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:23 pm Wow, the games have really weird evaluation annotations. Is there something wrong going on on your side?

Also Graham, wenn attempting to connect to the details you posted under Tom's chess viewer: "Connection failed. No response from server"
Engine evals are from the engine point of view, not from the white point of view.

Issues connecting to TLCV are usually due to router or firewall permissions.
Fabian probably talks about the evals in the pgn. I never managed to make them look good in Arena. Seems a ChessGUI special.
@Fabian: WHich TLCV client and which OS do you use?

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Re: The Axolotl And The Fly

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RubiChess wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:34 am
Graham Banks wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:06 am
fabianVDW wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:23 pm Wow, the games have really weird evaluation annotations. Is there something wrong going on on your side?

Also Graham, wenn attempting to connect to the details you posted under Tom's chess viewer: "Connection failed. No response from server"
Engine evals are from the engine point of view, not from the white point of view.

Issues connecting to TLCV are usually due to router or firewall permissions.
Fabian probably talks about the evals in the pgn.
Exactly, I am talking about abs(eval), point of view seems right.
I never managed to make them look good in Arena. Seems a ChessGUI special.
Me neither, but Arena displays it correctly. The pgn just looks wrong IMO. Excerpt from the pgn of one of FabChess' games:

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{ i5 Quad }
1.d4 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Nf6 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} 
2.c4 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} g6 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} 
3.Nc3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} d5 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} 
4.cxd5 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Nxd5 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} 
5.Nf3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Bg7 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} 
6.e4 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Nxc3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} 
7.bxc3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} c5 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} 
8.Be2 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Nc6 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} 
9.e5 {[%eval 5,14] [%emt 00:01:00]} O-O {(O-O) [%eval 0,16] [%emt 00:00:40]} 
10.O-O {(O-O) [%eval 9,14] [%emt 00:00:33]} Be6 {(Bf5) [%eval 9,17] [%emt 00:00:39]} 
11.Rb1 {(Be3) [%eval 15,13] [%emt 00:00:32]} Qd7 {(Qc7) [%eval 33,18] [%emt 00:00:40]} 
12.Rb2 {(Rb5) [%eval 11,13] [%emt 00:00:28]} cxd4 {(Rfd8) [%eval 43,18] [%emt 00:00:40]} 
13.cxd4 {(cxd4) [%eval 19,15] [%emt 00:00:37]} Rac8 {(Rfd8) [%eval 42,17] [%emt 00:00:40]} 
14.Be3 {(Re1) [%eval 18,14] [%emt 00:00:43]} Rc7 {(Rfd8) [%eval 53,17] [%emt 00:00:40]} 
15.Ng5 {(Qb1) [%eval 32,14] [%emt 00:00:33]} Bd5 {(Bf5) [%eval 56,15] [%emt 00:00:41]} 
16.Bf4 {(Nh3) [%eval 15,13] [%emt 00:00:38]} Rfc8 {(Rd8) [%eval 77,15] [%emt 00:00:41]} 
17.e6 {(e6) [%eval 33,15] [%emt 00:00:43]} fxe6 {(fxe6) [%eval 24,17] [%emt 00:00:41]} 
18.Rd2 {(Bxc7) [%eval 53,15] [%emt 00:00:44]} Bf6 {(Bf6) [%eval 34,17] [%emt 00:00:41]} 
19.Nh3 {(Bxc7) [%eval 44,17] [%emt 00:03:00]} Rd8 {(Rd8) [%eval 81,16] [%emt 00:02:19]} 
20.Bxc7 {(Bxc7) [%eval 22,17] [%emt 00:01:15]} Qxc7 {(Qxc7) [%eval 60,16] [%emt 00:00:38]} 
21.Qc2 {(Qc2) [%eval 19,16] [%emt 00:00:33]} Qd6 {(Rd7) [%eval 59,14] [%emt 00:01:00]} 
22.Rfd1 {(Rfd1) [%eval 51,14] [%emt 00:00:38]} a6 {(a6) [%eval 42,14] [%emt 00:00:38]} 
23.Qc3 {(Qc5) [%eval 66,14] [%emt 00:00:23]} Rd7 {(Qb4) [%eval -2,15] [%emt 00:00:44]} 
24.Qe3 {(Bc4) [%eval 108,15] [%emt 00:00:41]} Rc7 {(Nb4) [%eval -20,16] [%emt 00:00:38]} 
25.Ng5 {(Ng5) [%eval 96,15] [%emt 00:01:15]} Bxg5 {(Nb4) [%eval -20,14] [%emt 00:00:38]} 
26.Qxg5 {(Qxg5) [%eval 127,15] [%emt 00:00:16]} Nd8 {(Nb4) [%eval -85,16] [%emt 00:00:39]} 
27.Qe3 {(Qg3) [%eval 149,15] [%emt 00:00:45]} Nf7 {(Nf7) [%eval -99,17] [%emt 00:01:02]} 
28.a3 {(Rb2) [%eval 150,14] [%emt 00:00:31]} Rc6 {(Qc6) [%eval -75,15] [%emt 00:00:38]} 
29.Re1 {(Bf3) [%eval 156,15] [%emt 00:00:39]} Qc7 {(Qc7) [%eval -111,16] 
WHich TLCV client and which OS do you use?
As client I use Tom's Live Chess viewer, as Graham suggested. OS is Windows 7
Author of FabChess: https://github.com/fabianvdW/FabChess
A UCI compliant chess engine written in Rust.
FabChessWiki: https://github.com/fabianvdW/FabChess/wiki
fabianvonderwarth@gmail.com
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Re: The Axolotl And The Fly

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Was there some sort of issue with Axolotl?