My ancient AMD does 47 million nps. (See Ipman's list)
I paid about 700 for it.
Of course the 4x1200 watt power supplies eventually make your system a bargain compared to mine.
like everything else technology related, cost goes down exponentially over time for the same compute power.
But it could be a lot worse as to money lost over time. If you buy an ASIC solution like Hydra or Deep Blue, it costs a bundle and then the cheap systems surpass it in 5 years,
So I guess the lesson is, you buy the hot hardware and you have the keen power to analyze.
But after a few years you must repeat the cycle or you fall behind.
Or you can use a giant pile of machines, even though not powerful.
My approach is a combination approach
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Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:16 pm
My ancient AMD does 47 million nps. (See Ipman's list)
I paid about 700 for it.
Of course the 4x1200 watt power supplies eventually make your system a bargain compared to mine.
./asmFishL_2017-05-22_bmi2 bench 1024 40 26
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Total time (ms) : 140686
Nodes searched : 8010498592
Nodes/second : 56938846
I've forgotten how fast asmFish is. Too bad it is such a difficult project to maintain. Hope Ronald is able to maintain Cfish, but that one hasn't been updated in a while either.
Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:16 pm
But after a few years you must repeat the cycle or you fall behind.
Dann, I believe your right. You get a new cell every year because the new one is sooo much better than the old one. An 18-core 2697 v4 seemed sooo good 4 years ago and now it's mediocre. TCEC has used dual 2699 v4 for several years, which means they will have to upgrade soon. If you intend to win at online computer games, you need the best stuff.
Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:16 pm
But after a few years you must repeat the cycle or you fall behind.
Dann, I believe your right. You get a new cell every year because the new one is sooo much better than the old one. An 18-core 2697 v4 seemed sooo good 4 years ago and now it's mediocre. TCEC has used dual 2699 v4 for several years, which means they will have to upgrade soon. If you intend to win at online computer games, you need the best stuff.
I think AMD's bid for CPU supremacy has dramatically altered the cycle, for at least a cycle or two. The huge drop in the cost of compute power has made it possible for many CC players who would otherwise been at a huge disadvantage to close the compute gap. I'm not sure how long this will last but the difference between “top of the line” and “affordable” systems is much smaller than it used to be. e.g. $30,000 for 200+M nps vice $3000 for 100+M nps. This will make it virtually impossible for people with money to dominate the CC landscape. Not necessarily a bad thing if you ask me!
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Zenmastur
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I did a low cost all new build to see what the max spread of NPS and $ are.
All materials are found on Newegg:
1.) CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700X 8-Core 3.4 GHz (3.8 GHz Turbo) Socket AM4 95W YD170XBCAEWOF Desktop Processor $170
2.) MB: ASRock B450 PRO4 AM4 AMD Promontory B450 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard $89
3.) GPU: CORN NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 1GB 128-Bit DDR5 Graphic Card random color Video Card GPU GTX650-DCO-1GD5 DirectX 11 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP DVI/VGA/HDMI $50
4.) RAM: OLOy WarHawk RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin Intel/AMD Ready DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model MD4U083216BEDA $68
5.) HD/SSD: Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 1TB PCIe NVMe 3.0 x4 3D2, QLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SSDPEKNW010T8X1 $95
6.) PS: APEX Apexgaming AI-400 400W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS Certified Non-Modular Active PFC Power Supply $30
7.) Cooler: Included In CPU price $0
8.) Case: DIYPC Solo-T2-R Black USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case with 2 x Red Fans (1x 120mm LED fan x front, 1x 120mm fan x rear) Pre-installed $24
Total build cost $526 plus shipping. It doesn't include a keyboard mouse or monitor. This system should be capable of 25M nps or there about. This is an upgraded able system. It's not the absolute cheapest system you could build. e.g. the 1 TB NVMe SSD should allow full 6-man syzygy plus select 7-man syzygy. It could also handle a Ryzen 9 3900X for another $330. With a little more money it could be made suitable for NN engines as well. For someone on a budget that wants a “decent” machine for chess this would work.
The addition of low end machines like this minimize the disparity from high end to low end systems.
Regards,
Zenmastur
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Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.....Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
And the bottom graphic here shows that the very expensive AMD 7742 smokes the AMD 7601 and utterly destroys the Intel 8280 in terms of nodes per dollar with SF and AF.