https://games.slashdot.org/story/19/11/ ... e-defeated..
"I'm not at the top even if I become the number one."
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"There is an entity that cannot be defeated,"
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Singularity vs. Humans - 1:0
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https://games.slashdot.org/story/19/11/ ... e-defeated..
"I'm not at the top even if I become the number one."
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"There is an entity that cannot be defeated,"
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Singularity vs. Humans - 2:0
No, I don't think so...in some part yes, but overall no.
Only Human ! HUH !smatovic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:09 amhttps://games.slashdot.org/story/19/11/ ... e-defeated..
"I'm not at the top even if I become the number one."
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"There is an entity that cannot be defeated,"
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Singularity vs. Humans - 1:0
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Srdja
Any information about the handicap in games AFTER the first game? It's strange to state the terms of only the first game.duncan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:45 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50573071
Despite his retirement, Lee Se-dol is due to play against another AI system in December.
He will play against HanDol, a program developed by South Korea's NHN Entertainment Corp, which has already defeated the country's top five Go players.
Lee will be given an advantage of two stones in the first game, but suspects he will lose.
"Even with a two-stone advantage, I feel like I will lose the first game to HanDol. These days, I don't follow Go news. I wanted to play comfortably against HanDol as I have already retired, though I will do my best," he said.
I disagree.BrendanJNorman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:20 pmNo, I don't think so...in some part yes, but overall no.
Kasparov retired because he realized he was losing strength and his big secret (prepping openings with Deep Junior 6 and 7 at the time) had been discovered and copied by guys like Topalov.
So his big strength (computer-aided opening novelties) had been adopted by Topalov (who beat him in Linares 2005, his last event) and he lost a bit of confidence.
The fact that Kasparov retired in 2005 and Topalov's BEST years (of his OWN dominance) were 2005-2006 only stand to give credence to this theory.
Someone with Kasparov's ego cannot bear to play on a stage where he is not the absolute hero of everybody in attendance...he knew that the days he would be "competing" with the young guys were creeping closer and closer.
So he retired so as to (in his own mind, we all know he is an ETERNAL chess legend) preserve the legend of his being absolutely dominant and unbeatable.
Personally, I have warmer respect for Karpov, another real legend, who loves the game so much that he continues to play, even when the odd blunder in his old age causes him to loser to a much weaker player.
Hi Uri, thanks for sharing your opinion.Uri Blass wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:11 pmI disagree.BrendanJNorman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:20 pmNo, I don't think so...in some part yes, but overall no.
Kasparov retired because he realized he was losing strength and his big secret (prepping openings with Deep Junior 6 and 7 at the time) had been discovered and copied by guys like Topalov.
So his big strength (computer-aided opening novelties) had been adopted by Topalov (who beat him in Linares 2005, his last event) and he lost a bit of confidence.
The fact that Kasparov retired in 2005 and Topalov's BEST years (of his OWN dominance) were 2005-2006 only stand to give credence to this theory.
Someone with Kasparov's ego cannot bear to play on a stage where he is not the absolute hero of everybody in attendance...he knew that the days he would be "competing" with the young guys were creeping closer and closer.
So he retired so as to (in his own mind, we all know he is an ETERNAL chess legend) preserve the legend of his being absolutely dominant and unbeatable.
Personally, I have warmer respect for Karpov, another real legend, who loves the game so much that he continues to play, even when the odd blunder in his old age causes him to loser to a much weaker player.
Kasparov's big strength was not computer aided opening novelties.
Kasparov became world champion and beat karpov clearly earlier than Junior6 or Junior7 and at that time computers were too weak to help him with opening novelties.
Note that karpov does not play often and he plays only few games every year(only 3 games at long time control in 2019).
https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=4100026
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/11/arts ... match.htmlThe result was a 5-1 landslide for Anand. Karpov apparently had trouble integrating the computer with his own calculations and repeatedly ran way behind on the clock. The time limit was all moves in one hour.
https://en.chessbase.com/post/now-it-s- ... g-nakamurathere is something to be gained from his sessions with Kasparov, mainly in the opening preparation, but not much else. "I mean you look at middlegames or endgames and I’m quite convinced there are other players who are better than he was, but he was able to get advantages out of the openings so that was his main strength."
Interesting.BrendanJNorman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:06 amthere is something to be gained from his sessions with Kasparov, mainly in the opening preparation, but not much else. "I mean you look at middlegames or endgames and I’m quite convinced there are other players who are better than he was, but he was able to get advantages out of the openings so that was his main strength."