mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Jouni » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:25 pm

To be sure I repeat selfplay. Houdini game differed already from move 2! But all were again 0 - 1. No fortress or OCB :) .
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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by zullil » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:24 am

zullil wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:19 am
mmt wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:09 am
1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 e6 5. Qxb7 Nd7 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. cxd5 exd5 8. d4 Rb8 9. Qa6 Rb6 10. Qd3 Ng6 11. h3 Be6 12. Nf3 Bd6 13. h4 h5 14. b3 Nf6 15. Bg5 O-O 16. e3 Re8 17. Kf1 Bg4 18. Ne1 Bb4 19. Na4 Rb8 20. Nc2 Be7 21. f3 Be6 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Kf2 Nd7 24. Ne6 Qa5 25. Bxe7 Rxe7 26. b4

Komodo had 25. Bxe7 Rxe7 26. b4 at depth 54 (-1.58).
OK, Komodo has lost interest in this game and has decided to go foraging for water buffalo. His last eval of the current position is -1.62 at depth 61.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by jp » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:28 am

Jouni wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:25 pm
To be sure I repeat selfplay. ... No fortress or OCB :) .
OCB?

zullil wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:24 am
OK, Komodo has lost interest in this game and has decided to go foraging for water buffalo. His last eval of the current position is -1.62 at depth 61.
So where was the turning point for Komodo? It seemed to be steady at close to -1.1 for a long time.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by abulmo2 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:35 pm

jp wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:28 am
OCB?
To me, it just means a French brand of papers for cigarette:Image.
I will return to the CFHA (Club Français des Haïsseur d'Acronymes) a French branch of AHCA (Acronym Haters Club of America).
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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by zullil » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:58 pm

jp wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:28 am
Jouni wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:25 pm
To be sure I repeat selfplay. ... No fortress or OCB :) .
OCB?

zullil wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:24 am
OK, Komodo has lost interest in this game and has decided to go foraging for water buffalo. His last eval of the current position is -1.62 at depth 61.
So where was the turning point for Komodo? It seemed to be steady at close to -1.1 for a long time.
Yes, opposite colored bishops seem pretty unlikely given the current position. :wink:

Komodo's dislike of White's position has grown steadily, perhaps with a jump after 22. Nc5. Komodo preferred 22. Bh3. But apparently deeper, guided Stockfish searches revealed a preference for 22. Nc5.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Ovyron » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:18 pm

zullil wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:58 pm
Komodo preferred 22. Bh3. But apparently deeper, guided Stockfish searches revealed a preference for 22. Nc5.
It's just that Stockfish with 6menTB+7menTB revealed 22. Bh3 as completely lost.

So Komodo finally jumped the -1.60 scores, has Leela done so yet? Because the game is happening for that reason...
Ovyron wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:06 am
Black's advantage is much higher than that, I think some 1.60 would be unstoppable.
I was talking about Leela's scoring on that post, referring to a 1.60 black advantage (so, -1.60.)

If this game ends in a draw I think it'd be because I mess up in a future position, with a yet to be played blunder.

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by zullil » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:09 am

Ovyron wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:18 pm
zullil wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:58 pm
Komodo preferred 22. Bh3. But apparently deeper, guided Stockfish searches revealed a preference for 22. Nc5.
It's just that Stockfish with 6menTB+7menTB revealed 22. Bh3 as completely lost.

So Komodo finally jumped the -1.60 scores, has Leela done so yet? Because the game is happening for that reason...
Ovyron wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:06 am
Black's advantage is much higher than that, I think some 1.60 would be unstoppable.
I was talking about Leela's scoring on that post, referring to a 1.60 black advantage (so, -1.60.)

If this game ends in a draw I think it'd be because I mess up in a future position, with a yet to be played blunder.
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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Ovyron » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:53 am

1 cp away from being in full agreement with Komodo!

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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by Jouni » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:26 am

BTW Ovyron it's your move now :) .
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Re: mmt Vs. Ovyron (G4 D5 BG2)

Post by jp » Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:37 am

Jouni wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:26 am
While we wait, Jouni, can you clarify whether you are a French smoker? (Richard's post.)

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