Exist a posibility to play against MK V (1981 computerworldchampion) on PC?

[Thomas Lagershausen]

I understand you Franz.

For me another shitty day in paradise.

Any chance for me to get a stronger Mark V with much more Mhz?

Greetings

[mephisto]

If you want to play on a full size wooden electronic chess board against all the old chess computers found in Franz excellent software package then head over to the Certabo website.
Their latest software includes MessChess that enables you to use all the chess computers ROMS.
https://www.certabo.com/download/

[Bill Forster]

Today in the game 2 of my match against Mark V i used Mess and the preconfiguration of Arena GUI.

I am missing any informationoutput of Mark V under this configuration. No evaluation of the position, no mainline, absolut nothing.

Is this right?

Please give me more data under Arena GUI .

[pgn][Event "Emulation"]
[Site "40 Züge in 180 Minuten"]
[Date "2020.05.30"]
[Round "2"]
[White "SciSys Mark V"]
[Black "Lagershausen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B23"]
[Opening "Sizilianisch"]
[Variation "Geschlossenes System, 2...Nc6"]
[TimeControl "40/1800:40/1800:1800"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "81"]
[WhiteType "computer"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. d3 g6 4. Be3 d6 5. Qd2 Bg7 6. g3 Nd4 7. Bg2 Rb8 8.
f4 b5 9. Nf3 a5 10. O-O a4 11. Nh4 a3 12. b3 Qa5 13. e5 Qxc3 14. Qxc3 Ne2+
15. Kf2 Nxc3 16. Bd2 b4 17. Rfe1 dxe5 18. fxe5 Nh6 19. Nf3 Ng4+ 20. Kf1 Bb7
21. h4 Bxf3 22. Bxf3 Nxe5 23. Bg2 O-O 24. Bf4 f6 25. Be3 Rbc8 26. d4 Ng4
27. dxc5 f5 28. Bb7 Nxe3+ 29. Rxe3 Rxc5 30. Rxe7 Ne4 31. Rd1 Rxc2 32. Bxe4
fxe4+ 33. Kg1 Rxa2 34. Rxe4 Bc3 35. Rd7 Rd2 36. Rxd2 Bxd2 37. Re6 Ra8 38.
Rf6 a2 39. Rf1 a1=Q 40. Rxa1 Rxa1+ 41. Kh2 0-1
[/pgn]

This is a disappointing attitude. It's an amazing accomplishment that Franz has managed to bring these old machines back to life. Incredible. They were stand alone chess computers, not engines. They were intended to play chess, not present analysis and evaluations. Yet you want the recreations to offer features the original programmers didn't, how does that even make sense? For the comparitively simple Sargon 1978 project, I was surprised and happy when I realised I could actually present the PV and evaluation. But it was really only a stroke of good luck, and possible only because I had the full source code for the program, with the author's best efforts to explain everything in comments. Plus it was a small (old, weak) program. Franz faced a much more serious challenge with a bare ROM as opposed to fully commented source. And he has succeeded 250 times over!

[carldaman]

Today in the game 2 of my match against Mark V i used Mess and the preconfiguration of Arena GUI.

I am missing any informationoutput of Mark V under this configuration. No evaluation of the position, no mainline, absolut nothing.

Is this right?

Please give me more data under Arena GUI .

[pgn][Event "Emulation"]
[Site "40 Züge in 180 Minuten"]
[Date "2020.05.30"]
[Round "2"]
[White "SciSys Mark V"]
[Black "Lagershausen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B23"]
[Opening "Sizilianisch"]
[Variation "Geschlossenes System, 2...Nc6"]
[TimeControl "40/1800:40/1800:1800"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "81"]
[WhiteType "computer"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. d3 g6 4. Be3 d6 5. Qd2 Bg7 6. g3 Nd4 7. Bg2 Rb8 8.
f4 b5 9. Nf3 a5 10. O-O a4 11. Nh4 a3 12. b3 Qa5 13. e5 Qxc3 14. Qxc3 Ne2+
15. Kf2 Nxc3 16. Bd2 b4 17. Rfe1 dxe5 18. fxe5 Nh6 19. Nf3 Ng4+ 20. Kf1 Bb7
21. h4 Bxf3 22. Bxf3 Nxe5 23. Bg2 O-O 24. Bf4 f6 25. Be3 Rbc8 26. d4 Ng4
27. dxc5 f5 28. Bb7 Nxe3+ 29. Rxe3 Rxc5 30. Rxe7 Ne4 31. Rd1 Rxc2 32. Bxe4
fxe4+ 33. Kg1 Rxa2 34. Rxe4 Bc3 35. Rd7 Rd2 36. Rxd2 Bxd2 37. Re6 Ra8 38.
Rf6 a2 39. Rf1 a1=Q 40. Rxa1 Rxa1+ 41. Kh2 0-1
[/pgn]

This is a disappointing attitude. It's an amazing accomplishment that Franz has managed to bring these old machines back to life. Incredible. They were stand alone chess computers, not engines. They were intended to play chess, not present analysis and evaluations. Yet you want the recreations to offer features the original programmers didn't, how does that even make sense? For the comparitively simple Sargon 1978 project, I was surprised and happy when I realised I could actually present the PV and evaluation. But it was really only a stroke of good luck, and possible only because I had the full source code for the program, with the author's best efforts to explain everything in comments. Plus it was a small (old, weak) program. Franz faced a much more serious challenge with a bare ROM as opposed to fully commented source. And he has succeeded 250 times over!

+1 Remarkable, indeed.

[mephisto]

+1

Franz has done an amazing job and has always been very helpful whenever I have asked him questions about his project.

[mbabigian]

If you want to play on a full size wooden electronic chess board against all the old chess computers found in Franz excellent software package then head over to the Certabo website.
Their latest software includes MessChess that enables you to use all the chess computers ROMS.
https://www.certabo.com/download/

Has anyone tried these autosensory boards? How do they compare to the DGT boards? Is support (warranty and otherwise) good? Is there a US distributor?

I've always wanted a DGT type board. Can relive my youth playing the old chess computers I owned but died.

Thanks in advance
Mike

[GONeill]

Hi,

you can use more than 250 old chess computer programs (also MK V) with CB-Emu_Pro from my website:
https://fhub.jimdofree.com/

It also includes a special version 'MessChess' which allows to run all those programs in any
chess GUI which supports the WB or UCI protocol (e.g. WinBoard, Arena, Hiarcs, Shredder, ...)

Regards,
Franz

Thank you Franz. I hadn't downloaded this for a couple of years so it was good to get an update. I don't recall my earlier version having the auto link to Arena built in which makes controlling some of the engines much easier and is a big improvement.

I looked through my old links and was pleased to find that Alain's User Manuals page is still around too, and seems to be quite active in updating the list of computers covered:

http://www.zanchetta.net/ under "Chess Computers" > "Documentations".

If only there was an option to download all of the manuals by language! It would be great if you could coordinate with him and include a folder in your download with the manuals of the computers that you have emulated.

[F.Huber]

I looked through my old links and was pleased to find that Alain's User Manuals page is still around too, and seems to be quite active in updating the list of computers covered:
http://www.zanchetta.net/ under "Chess Computers" > "Documentations".

Yes, that's a great website, and for using these old chess computers it's indeed necessary to have the manual, because it's impossible to know or remember all the functions or settings of so many machines.

It would be great if you could coordinate with him and include a folder in your download with the manuals of the computers that you have emulated.

Well, that would blow up my CB-Emu package from 150 to about 900 MB - no way!

Regards,
Franz

[Thomas Lagershausen]

@ F.Huber

I try it again, because it is important for me.

Any chance to get a Mark V with much more MHz?

As the games shown Mark V is tactical weak.

But its style of play is unique. So no other machine can take its place for me as a chesspartner.

[F.Huber]

I try it again, because it is important for me.

Any chance to get a Mark V with much more MHz?

Well, a bit more would be possible, but not much more.
I've tried it and it works with 4 and 6 MHz (instead of the original 2 MHz),
but with 8 MHz (or more) the LCD screen doesn't work correctly anymore.