Stockfish Handicap Matches

[Chessqueen]

okay.

I was wondering how would the version of Rebel that played versus GM Vishy Anand back in 2002 with the same Hardwared would score against Komodo using 32 scores at (c2/f2) odds or other two pawns odds configuration at TC 15 + 10 increments?

Since Benjamin, which is a new Rebel version, running on one core of my laptop beat Komodo on 7 threads by just 11 to 9 at knight odds, it's safe to say that Komodo on 32 cores would crush a 2002 Rebel on 2002 hardware at knight odds. c2/f2 is only about half of knight odds, so that would not be any contest at all. This also implies that Benjamin on even one core of my laptop would be favored against any human now in normal rapid chess, but the top humans will crush Komodo at knight odds in rapid since Smerdon won 5 to 1. It's not easy to find an engine that is as good at playing with an extra knight as it is in standard chess, compared to human GMs.

I got my old i486 DX2-66 Computer from my baseman clean it very good, vacuumed it very good inside and made all connections and called my friend Jorge Sammour and asked him if he was willing to play against a modified version of Rebel almost the same that play versus Vishy Anand back in 2002; but slightly better, he kind of laughed and told me did you take your old 486 from your baseman instead of donating it to one of the third World country Like Haiti. Anyway, I told him to start with 1.h3 just to take it out of book, and here is the game in which Jorge got Lucky. Do not simply go by FIDE ratings some lower GM play very solid against Computer engines specially if they have been playing against engines like MChess and ChessMaster came over 20 years ago, but again certain Top GM Like Carlsen does not like to play versus engines at all.

[pgn][Event "Blitz:45'+10""]
[Site "Myplace"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Jorge Sammour"]
[Black "Benjamin 1.0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[TimeControl "2700+10"]

{1MB, Shredder8.ctg} 1. h3 e5 2. e4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Bc5 4. Nf3 d6 5. Bc4 O-O 6. d3
Be6 7. Bxe6 fxe6 8. Na4 Bb6 9. O-O Qe8 10. c3 Nbd7 11. Nxb6 axb6 12. b4 h6 13.
a4 Nh5 14. Re1 Kh8 15. d4 Qf7 16. a5 exd4 17. cxd4 Nb8 18. Rb1 bxa5 19. bxa5
Nc6 20. Rxb7 Nxa5 21. Rb2 Nc4 22. Rc2 Na3 23. Rc3 Nb5 24. Rb3 c6 25. Qd3 Ra1
26. Qc4 Ra6 27. d5 exd5 28. exd5 Nf6 29. Nh4 Ra1 30. Kh2 Rfa8 31. Rg3 R8a4 32.
Qxc6 Rxh4 33. Qxb5 Rd4 34. Qb8+ Qg8 35. Qb2 Rxc1 36. Rxc1 Rxd5 37. Qb7 Rc5 38.
Ra1 Re5 39. Ra7 Ne8 40. Ra8 Kh7 41. Qb1+ Kh8 42. Rf3 Re6 43. Qb7 Kh7 44. Rf7
Re2 45. Qd7 Kh8 46. Re7 Rxe7 47. Qxe7 1-0[/pgn]

[Vinvin]

I got my old i486 DX2-66 Computer from my baseman clean it very good, vacuumed it very good inside and made all connections and called my friend Jorge Sammour and asked him if he was willing to play against a modified version of Rebel almost the same that play versus Vishy Anand back in 2002;

Some history milestone :
The i486 DX2-66 was the best Intel processor from beginning of 1992 to beginning of 1994 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... s#80486DX2
Anand played the match against Rebel on a 450 MHz CPU in 1998 : https://www.rebel.nl/anand.htm

From 1992 to 1994, micro computers was not very successful against GMs yet.
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1992
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1993
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1994

I hope you will get some Stockfish compiles to run on this 80486 and test it against Jorge

[lkaufman]

I got my old i486 DX2-66 Computer from my baseman clean it very good, vacuumed it very good inside and made all connections and called my friend Jorge Sammour and asked him if he was willing to play against a modified version of Rebel almost the same that play versus Vishy Anand back in 2002;

Some history milestone :
The i486 DX2-66 was the best Intel processor from beginning of 1992 to beginning of 1994 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... s#80486DX2
Anand played the match against Rebel on a 450 MHz CPU in 1998 : https://www.rebel.nl/anand.htm

From 1992 to 1994, micro computers was not very successful against GMs yet.
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1992
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1993
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1994

I hope you will get some Stockfish compiles to run on this 80486 and test it against Jorge

Maybe they were unsuccessful at standard tournament time limits then, but in rapid games (at least 25' per side) the top engines scored in the 30 to 40% range vs. GMs, typically around 2600 FIDE or so, mostly in the Hardvard Cup series. Maybe you wouldn't call that successful, but anyway they were competitive. I think that the engines I worked on with Don Dailey back then scored near the 40% mark overall.

[Chessqueen]

I got my old i486 DX2-66 Computer from my baseman clean it very good, vacuumed it very good inside and made all connections and called my friend Jorge Sammour and asked him if he was willing to play against a modified version of Rebel almost the same that play versus Vishy Anand back in 2002;

Some history milestone :
The i486 DX2-66 was the best Intel processor from beginning of 1992 to beginning of 1994 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... s#80486DX2
Anand played the match against Rebel on a 450 MHz CPU in 1998 : https://www.rebel.nl/anand.htm

From 1992 to 1994, micro computers was not very successful against GMs yet.
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1992
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1993
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1994

I hope you will get some Stockfish compiles to run on this 80486 and test it against Jorge

Maybe they were unsuccessful at standard tournament time limits then, but in rapid games (at least 25' per side) the top engines scored in the 30 to 40% range vs. GMs, typically around 2600 FIDE or so, mostly in the Hardvard Cup series. Maybe you wouldn't call that successful, but anyway they were competitive. I think that the engines I worked on with Don Dailey back then scored near the 40% mark overall.

Jorge does NOT want to play versus Stockfish

[Vinvin]

I got my old i486 DX2-66 Computer from my baseman clean it very good, vacuumed it very good inside and made all connections and called my friend Jorge Sammour and asked him if he was willing to play against a modified version of Rebel almost the same that play versus Vishy Anand back in 2002;

Some history milestone :
The i486 DX2-66 was the best Intel processor from beginning of 1992 to beginning of 1994 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... s#80486DX2
Anand played the match against Rebel on a 450 MHz CPU in 1998 : https://www.rebel.nl/anand.htm

From 1992 to 1994, micro computers was not very successful against GMs yet.
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1992
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1993
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1994

I hope you will get some Stockfish compiles to run on this 80486 and test it against Jorge

Maybe they were unsuccessful at standard tournament time limits then, but in rapid games (at least 25' per side) the top engines scored in the 30 to 40% range vs. GMs, typically around 2600 FIDE or so, mostly in the Hardvard Cup series. Maybe you wouldn't call that successful, but anyway they were competitive. I think that the engines I worked on with Don Dailey back then scored near the 40% mark overall.

Jorge does NOT want to play versus Stockfish

Strange reaction. Does Jorge know that the 486-66 MHz is 2000 times slower than an average (4 cores@3GHz) computer of the year 2020 ?

Other free engines to test on this old computer :
1) Houdini 1.5a 32-bit
2) Critter 1.6a 32-bit
3) Protector 1.5.0 32-bit
4) Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit

[Chessqueen]

I got my old i486 DX2-66 Computer from my baseman clean it very good, vacuumed it very good inside and made all connections and called my friend Jorge Sammour and asked him if he was willing to play against a modified version of Rebel almost the same that play versus Vishy Anand back in 2002;

Some history milestone :
The i486 DX2-66 was the best Intel processor from beginning of 1992 to beginning of 1994 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... s#80486DX2
Anand played the match against Rebel on a 450 MHz CPU in 1998 : https://www.rebel.nl/anand.htm

From 1992 to 1994, micro computers was not very successful against GMs yet.
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1992
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1993
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1994

I hope you will get some Stockfish compiles to run on this 80486 and test it against Jorge

Maybe they were unsuccessful at standard tournament time limits then, but in rapid games (at least 25' per side) the top engines scored in the 30 to 40% range vs. GMs, typically around 2600 FIDE or so, mostly in the Hardvard Cup series. Maybe you wouldn't call that successful, but anyway they were competitive. I think that the engines I worked on with Don Dailey back then scored near the 40% mark overall.

Jorge does NOT want to play versus Stockfish

Strange reaction. Does Jorge know that the 486-66 MHz is 2000 times slower than an average (4 cores@3GHz) computer of the year 2020 ?

Other free engines to test on this old computer :
1) Houdini 1.5a 32-bit
2) Critter 1.6a 32-bit
3) Protector 1.5.0 32-bit
4) Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit

Well 2000 times is an exageration, but probably 600 times slower, My mother in law has a 450 MHz CPU, I will see if she sell it to me for $25.00 she has not use it for almost 18 years and it is on her garage, 10 years ago she tried to sell it and nobody gave her at least $40.00.

[Chessqueen]

I got my old i486 DX2-66 Computer from my baseman clean it very good, vacuumed it very good inside and made all connections and called my friend Jorge Sammour and asked him if he was willing to play against a modified version of Rebel almost the same that play versus Vishy Anand back in 2002;

Some history milestone :
The i486 DX2-66 was the best Intel processor from beginning of 1992 to beginning of 1994 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... s#80486DX2
Anand played the match against Rebel on a 450 MHz CPU in 1998 : https://www.rebel.nl/anand.htm

From 1992 to 1994, micro computers was not very successful against GMs yet.
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1992
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1993
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1994

I hope you will get some Stockfish compiles to run on this 80486 and test it against Jorge

Maybe they were unsuccessful at standard tournament time limits then, but in rapid games (at least 25' per side) the top engines scored in the 30 to 40% range vs. GMs, typically around 2600 FIDE or so, mostly in the Hardvard Cup series. Maybe you wouldn't call that successful, but anyway they were competitive. I think that the engines I worked on with Don Dailey back then scored near the 40% mark overall.

This GM is friend with me on Facebook he would like to know if he will be able to win at least 2 games out of 6, in other word he already has seen Nakamura games and MVL games versus Komodo on Youtube, what he is asking me is if the Odds is fair enough for his rating using your 32 cores. GM Max illingWorth was rated FIDE 2525 in July 2018 is also an online trainer https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=3205207

[lkaufman]

I got my old i486 DX2-66 Computer from my baseman clean it very good, vacuumed it very good inside and made all connections and called my friend Jorge Sammour and asked him if he was willing to play against a modified version of Rebel almost the same that play versus Vishy Anand back in 2002;

Some history milestone :
The i486 DX2-66 was the best Intel processor from beginning of 1992 to beginning of 1994 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... s#80486DX2
Anand played the match against Rebel on a 450 MHz CPU in 1998 : https://www.rebel.nl/anand.htm

From 1992 to 1994, micro computers was not very successful against GMs yet.
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1992
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1993
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1994

I hope you will get some Stockfish compiles to run on this 80486 and test it against Jorge

Maybe they were unsuccessful at standard tournament time limits then, but in rapid games (at least 25' per side) the top engines scored in the 30 to 40% range vs. GMs, typically around 2600 FIDE or so, mostly in the Hardvard Cup series. Maybe you wouldn't call that successful, but anyway they were competitive. I think that the engines I worked on with Don Dailey back then scored near the 40% mark overall.

This GM is friend with me on Facebook he would like to know if he will be able to win at least 2 games out of 6, in other word he already has seen Nakamura games and MVL games versus Komodo on Youtube, what he is asking me is if the Odds is fair enough for his rating using your 32 cores. GM Max illingWorth was rated FIDE 2525 in July 2018 is also an online trainer https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=3205207

I am not sure what your question is. Is he asking what would be fair odds for a rapid match (what TC?) vs. my 32 core machine? I would say either "pawn and 3 moves" (f7 off, e4,d4 played, WTM), or c7+f7 handicap would be about fair. If he wants to discuss an actual match with Komodo he can email me or send a friend request on Facebook and follow up there.

[Chessqueen]

I got my old i486 DX2-66 Computer from my baseman clean it very good, vacuumed it very good inside and made all connections and called my friend Jorge Sammour and asked him if he was willing to play against a modified version of Rebel almost the same that play versus Vishy Anand back in 2002;

Some history milestone :
The i486 DX2-66 was the best Intel processor from beginning of 1992 to beginning of 1994 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... s#80486DX2
Anand played the match against Rebel on a 450 MHz CPU in 1998 : https://www.rebel.nl/anand.htm

From 1992 to 1994, micro computers was not very successful against GMs yet.
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1992
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1993
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1994

I hope you will get some Stockfish compiles to run on this 80486 and test it against Jorge

Maybe they were unsuccessful at standard tournament time limits then, but in rapid games (at least 25' per side) the top engines scored in the 30 to 40% range vs. GMs, typically around 2600 FIDE or so, mostly in the Hardvard Cup series. Maybe you wouldn't call that successful, but anyway they were competitive. I think that the engines I worked on with Don Dailey back then scored near the 40% mark overall.

This GM is friend with me on Facebook he would like to know if he will be able to win at least 2 games out of 6, in other word he already has seen Nakamura games and MVL games versus Komodo on Youtube, what he is asking me is if the Odds is fair enough for his rating using your 32 cores. GM Max illingWorth was rated FIDE 2525 in July 2018 is also an online trainer https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=3205207

I am not sure what your question is. Is he asking what would be fair odds for a rapid match (what TC?) vs. my 32 core machine? I would say either "pawn and 3 moves" (f7 off, e4,d4 played, WTM), or c7+f7 handicap would be about fair. If he wants to discuss an actual match with Komodo he can email me or send a friend request on Facebook and follow up there.

I believe that after he saw many games of Komodo vs Nakamura and Komodo vs MVL on Youtube with different Odds beating Naka and MVL he got scare, but what he does NOT know is that the Time control and Odds for Naka and MVL is much harder than what would be given to him, that is what got him scare to even challenge.

[Chessqueen]

I got my old i486 DX2-66 Computer from my baseman clean it very good, vacuumed it very good inside and made all connections and called my friend Jorge Sammour and asked him if he was willing to play against a modified version of Rebel almost the same that play versus Vishy Anand back in 2002;

Some history milestone :
The i486 DX2-66 was the best Intel processor from beginning of 1992 to beginning of 1994 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... s#80486DX2
Anand played the match against Rebel on a 450 MHz CPU in 1998 : https://www.rebel.nl/anand.htm

From 1992 to 1994, micro computers was not very successful against GMs yet.
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1992
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1993
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Aegon_1994

I hope you will get some Stockfish compiles to run on this 80486 and test it against Jorge

Maybe they were unsuccessful at standard tournament time limits then, but in rapid games (at least 25' per side) the top engines scored in the 30 to 40% range vs. GMs, typically around 2600 FIDE or so, mostly in the Hardvard Cup series. Maybe you wouldn't call that successful, but anyway they were competitive. I think that the engines I worked on with Don Dailey back then scored near the 40% mark overall.

This GM is friend with me on Facebook he would like to know if he will be able to win at least 2 games out of 6, in other word he already has seen Nakamura games and MVL games versus Komodo on Youtube, what he is asking me is if the Odds is fair enough for his rating using your 32 cores. GM Max illingWorth was rated FIDE 2525 in July 2018 is also an online trainer https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=3205207

I am not sure what your question is. Is he asking what would be fair odds for a rapid match (what TC?) vs. my 32 core machine? I would say either "pawn and 3 moves" (f7 off, e4,d4 played, WTM), or c7+f7 handicap would be about fair. If he wants to discuss an actual match with Komodo he can email me or send a friend request on Facebook and follow up there.

This is another GM rated FIDE over 2530 who told me that it would an interesting match, and he is now thinking about accepting Komodo Odds Challenge he will let me know later today. I told him that he could request to be friend with you on Facebook and discuss the condition of the match including Time control etc https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=14505959

PS: WOW is he really the FIDE Director?