An amazing net for SF-NNUE.

[Sylwy]

Good judgement...

As expected the cloning on NNUE nets has begun.
People can now test clones of engines with clones of nets w/o knowing they play A+A vs. A+A.

This so called qh-fine-0803-5 net is 99.99999% identical to Sergio Vieris net 20200729-0109.
Only at the very end of millions of hex entries 'someone' changed a few hex values

From Discord channel:

[Guenther]

Good judgement...

As expected the cloning on NNUE nets has begun.
People can now test clones of engines with clones of nets w/o knowing they play A+A vs. A+A.

This so called qh-fine-0803-5 net is 99.99999% identical to Sergio Vieris net 20200729-0109.
Only at the very end of millions of hex entries 'someone' changed a few hex values ;-)

From Discord channel:

You should have mentioned that he simply 'tried' to fine-tune an exisisting SV net (which failed miserably),
before jumping here and just post a link to something, praised as something new by you, w/o further informations.

After checking this discord channel, I see that he openly stated he used already a SV net for his previous attempt,
but not expliccitely for this new one, though.
Obviously his fine-tuning attempts failed either due to bugs or errors in his procedure.
The result remains the same. At least it seems not intentionally.

qhapaq_rope_6
03.08.2020
@linox qh 0726 is fine-tuned function from 20200721-1907.bin. It uses approximatedly 20 million positions.

https://discord.com/channels/4359437104 ... 6523195462

There is no such message about qh-fine-0803-5.

[Ovyron]

As expected the cloning on NNUE nets has begun.
People can now test clones of engines with clones of nets w/o knowing they play A+A vs. A+A.

Welcome back Guenther, hope you have gotten a thicker anti-troll skin this time around

[maxdeg]

As expected the cloning on NNUE nets has begun.
People can now test clones of engines with clones of nets w/o knowing they play A+A vs. A+A.

Welcome back Guenther, hope you have gotten a thicker anti-troll skin this time around

.. if I recall you're still on his list .. #100 ..

[Sylwy]

You should have mentioned that he simply 'tried' to fine-tune an exisisting SV net (which failed miserably),
before jumping here and just post a link to something, praised as something new by you, w/o further informations.

I took the link and the short presentation from the discord channel (the place where SF-NNUE was originally developed). I just tested the net (which is very strong). For the rest ....... I am not a programmer to know - a priori - the technical details.

[Zenmastur]

Trained on Reinforcement Learn and fine tuned using CCRL games:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/71qy3j8gtgch2 ... 5.zip?dl=0

How does this net fair against some of Sergio's more recent nets?

I tested it vs. SF 200717, like all S.Vieri nets. Look here:
https://www.sp-cc.de/files/ergebnisse_nnue_schnell.txt

The net is very strong, but not the best in that tests. The best is still sv200730_1934

That's a nice list you have there...

While not enough games to be definitive it certainly gives one an idea of which nets to try and which to stay away from. I liked it enough to save a copy in my NNUE nets directory for future reference.

Regards,

Zenmastur

[pohl4711]

That's a nice list you have there...

While not enough games to be definitive it certainly gives one an idea of which nets to try and which to stay away from.

That was the idea. Because S.Vieri builds so much new nets, it is not possible to test them all with some thousand games using a "quite normal" thinking-time (even though I use bullet-speed, 60''+0.5''). So, 500 games have to be enough...
But this list is only a collection of pre-tests, so, I can find out, which nets I should test in a regular 7000 game testrun (with 3'+1'') for my ratinglist... Not more, not less.